Are Supply Bases working as intended?

[76mm]

Yeah, so how are supply bases "actually intended" to work? Totally confused...

[JWW]

ORIGINAL: 76mm

Yeah, so how are supply bases "actually intended" to work? Totally confused...

Maybe intended to work as well as how they actually work in 1.04, lol.

[GodwinW]

My take on what's written there (will start a game maybe tomorrow, maybe late this evening so then I'll know I guess):

"-Changed the way Supply Bases are giving extension. They now only give extension points upto the point normal action points have already been used. This makes them function as actually intended."

They give EXT points up to a maximum amount which is determined by the normal truck AP points that are spent (so maximum AP - current AP = max EXT points).

Seems like a straightforward enough sentence to me.

So yes: you have a max tank and supply stations are gas stations refilling your tank.
No more convenient jerrycans.
I am skeptical about this change :p

[JWW]

ORIGINAL: GodwinW

My take on what's written there (will start a game maybe tomorrow, maybe late this evening so then I'll know I guess):

"-Changed the way Supply Bases are giving extension. They now only give extension points upto the point normal action points have already been used. This makes them function as actually intended."

They give EXT points up to a maximum amount which is determined by the normal truck AP points that are spent (so maximum AP - current AP = max EXT points).

Seems like a straightforward enough sentence to me.

So yes: you have a max tank and supply stations are gas stations refilling your tank.
No more convenient jerrycans.
I am skeptical about this change :p

Still not simple enough for me. I'm just an old grunt. Does that mean supply bases A) extend length of your supply line, B) provide more supplies to the end of your supply line, or C) both?

Also where is optimum placement along the supply line. There seems to be disagreement and confusion there, too.



Thanks.

[Falke]

ORIGINAL: jwarrenw13

Still not simple enough for me. I'm just an old grunt. Does that mean supply bases A) extend length of your supply line, B) provide more supplies to the end of your supply line, or C) both?

Also where is optimum placement along the supply line. There seems to be disagreement and confusion there, too.

Thanks.

The answer is A) but limited to the amount already travelled. With Dirt road the optimum for Base 1 is 5-10 hexes from the source. For absolute min/Maxers it will mean destroying and rebuilding supply bases as you upgrade to sealed or the level of the base. A base 2 at 5 hexes will give no benefit over that of a base 1

[GodwinW]

Another problem is administrative strain.
I am not sure whether Supply Bases contribute to it, but if so that's another thing to keep in mind.

To jwarrenw13:

It's a refill. So you need to put the supply base I (which gives 50 points) at a spot where 50 AP points have already been used otherwise you are not benefiting fully from the supply base.

[Malevolence]

This provides a perspective...

Where do I put a Supply Base?

[Destragon]

If someone still didn't understand the change, here is a small example:
This supply base could potentially replenish 50 movement points, but because the logistics path has only spent 20 movement points so far when it reached the supply base, it is only able to replenish 20.


In the old version, it would have given 50 extra movement points, no matter how many movement points the logistics path has already used up.
They used to give extra movement points for the logistics trucks, now they only replenish spent movement points, which means you need to put your supply base farther away from your truck station to make it more effective.

ORIGINAL: GodwinW

I wonder if they can now refill trucks many times over or not.

I just tested it and it seems to still be 1 supply base per truck station.

[actrade]

Thanks for the picture...helps alot!

[GodwinW]

ORIGINAL: Destragon

ORIGINAL: GodwinW

I wonder if they can now refill trucks many times over or not.

I just tested it and it seems to still be 1 supply base per truck station.

Thanks! Appreciate that

[WCG]

ORIGINAL: Falke

For absolute min/Maxers it will mean destroying and rebuilding supply bases as you upgrade to sealed or the level of the base.

IMHO, that's not a bad idea, even if you're not a min/maxer. I mean, supply bases are cheap and quick to build. And that's pretty much how they'd be used in RL, right?

It just seems to make sense to me.

ORIGINAL: Falke
A base 2 at 5 hexes will give no benefit over that of a base 1

Yeah, that might be a bigger issue. There's going to be absolutely no point to upgrading a supply base, unless you placed the original on a sealed road (or planning for a sealed road, at least).

But I've never upgraded a supply base, anyway (admittedly, this is just my first game), so that might not have a big impact on my game. [:)]


PS. For others here who might still be confused about supply bases, I find it useful to select "Traffic Signs" and click on a road hex. On the right side of the screen, there's a detailed breakdown of what's happening with the logistics (this turn and, if you click on Preview Log - with Preview Pts selected on the main screen - what the game predicts for the next turn).

Now, that can be very confusing, if you have multiple sources of LP, but after clicking "Preview Pts" on the main screen, you can also choose which "Zone Log. Asset" to look at specifically (in the Preview Log).

Like most things in this game, that's complicated and doesn't seem to work exactly as intended (in my version 1.03 game, at least). For one thing, it moves me off of the hex I was looking at, so I have to return to it. But that's no big deal.

And I really don't understand why I can select a rail asset, for example, and get the listing from the same asset split into two parts. It doesn't even list anything but the nearest rail asset, though I can select another one manually, if I want. But anyway - sorry to digress! - my point is that you can see exactly what's happening.

In my current game, I can see that the extension points from my supply base are used before any AP from the truck station is used at all. (I can also see that supply bases have no effect on railroads. That was something I've been wondering about.)

Presumably, the new version will use AP from the truck station first, and the only thing a supply base will do is refill a certain amount of AP (depending on the size of the supply base and the amount of truck station AP that's already been used up). At least, that's how I understand it.

Again, I just thought I'd point out that useful tool. It's easy to overlook when you're using Traffic Signs. At least, it was for me. There's a lot of detail in this game! [:)]

Indeed, I wish we had something like that for bottlenecks, because that's what causes me to pull my hair out. [:D]

[GodwinW]

ORIGINAL: WCG

ORIGINAL: Falke
A base 2 at 5 hexes will give no benefit over that of a base 1

Yeah, that might be a bigger issue. There's going to be absolutely no point to upgrading a supply base, unless you placed the original on a sealed road (or planning for a sealed road, at least).

Yes, Supply Base 1 is fine 6 hexes from your first city (that has your first truck stop), even if you upgrade to a sealed road (6 * 7 = 56), and will not increase administrative strain.

But upgrading it will now be difficult to make the most out of.
I used upgrading a lot, I liked it.
Now, if I want a useful Supply Base III, I'll have to put it 15 hexes away from the city (sealed roads: 100 / 7). And close down my previous one.
And probably build a bunch more as the road has probably forked significantly before those 15 hexes.

It is interesting. I'm curious to see how things will change. Could be cool
But it's undeniably more micromanagement.

[zgrssd]

The only ranges where it is a real issue, is the ranges where you should be using a Railway anyway. Or maybe a truckstop on the road itself.

Just place it as close to the point where Distance causes a dropoff, and you are good to go. Or do you operate under that wierd asumption, the direction from where the Logistics Capacity comes from maters?

[lpgamble]

Personally I treat truck stations as supply bases and supply bases as extra trucks on that road spur.

[WCG]

Um,... have supply bases been changed? I don't see anything about that in the changelog: https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4844801

As far as I can tell, supply bases aren't mentioned at all. Admittedly, there's stuff I don't understand there.

[Destragon]

In the beta
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4824133

[WCG]

ORIGINAL: Destragon

In the beta
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4824133

OK, then in version 1.04, they work the same way they always did? I'm not playing the beta, so I'll worry about any changes when they release 1.05.

Thanks!