Patch out for those who are wavering

[typhoon]

Without getting into the negative mindset of knocking other games it is very difficult to defend against those that wish to find fault in the QC of Ageods titles though it is no better or no worst than any other companies they all seem to follow the same basic process. It is noble that people buy the games to support them and of course any wargammer worth his salt would be drawn to the theories behind the games. That said there is nothing in WON that is broken nothing that prevents people who enjoy the theory and offer there support from buying and greatly enjoying this game as it now is. We all need to play it a whole lot more and watch as the support continues the game evolves is that not what this is all about after all we can spend our money and pick fault or spend our money then play and enjoy the product for what it is.

[tevans6220]

I don't think anybody is going out of their way to find fault. What I said about their QA is actually true. The fouled up events and high casualty rates should have been obvious within the first 15 turns of the game and found in testing. The fact that it wasn't or that it wasn't fixed before release leads to the conclusion that they have poor QA. I'm not sure how you can say that WON has nothing broken. The things I found are right in the beginning of the game. As long as the game is, I doubt very seriously if anyone has finished a complete campaign yet. So nobody really knows what other problems there will be with events or other things further into the game. This isn't anything new either. This has happened with practically every Ageod release. So there's got to be a failure or flaw in their QA process.

[typhoon]

I do not think that either of us will alter their position on this though we might try very hard . For me fine tuning combat figures and ensuring all events trigger is something about adjusting algorithms and the like it should not detract from the game nor should it be that because such tuning is needed the QC failed. Those algorithms or lines of code be complicated beasts at a guess difficult and unwieldy. Wargammers are by nature a difficult bunch (ourselves included) and each forum board has arguments about combat figures losses missing types of tank the speed of aircraft missiles and the like all not found in testing. I'm glad they got the game out to us in time for Christmas and am trying on these forums to move the talk away from broken or poor anything.I look to the positive in WON and see that the game shines as it is and will only shine brighter as time and it's growth through good support continues.

[TJD]

I think these games are inherently difficult to beta-test because most testers can't parse the scripting language, and many of AGEOD's errors are found there. Generally, beta testers just kick the tires and have a look-around and judge whether things seem to be more or less WAD. And that's fine, as far as it goes. Which is not nearly far enough for games as complex as these. I don't know how to fix that other than hire a demon like vicberg to comb through it all. Things seem to have come to a head with WON, though. There's a lot of irritation now and I don't think fanboy sentiments can answer it.

[typhoon]

Any dialogue about this game is good dialogue if it takes becoming a fanboy to get people to talk about it and play it then fanboy it is. If people are willing to play the game they can make their own judgements. The negative will get fixed and the good is already there for everybody to see who is not put off by the negative feedback.

[loki100]

ORIGINAL: TJD

I think these games are inherently difficult to beta-test because most testers can't parse the scripting language, and many of AGEOD's errors are found there. Generally, beta testers just kick the tires and have a look-around and judge whether things seem to be more or less WAD. And that's fine, as far as it goes. Which is not nearly far enough for games as complex as these. I don't know how to fix that other than hire a demon like vicberg to comb through it all. Things seem to have come to a head with WON, though. There's a lot of irritation now and I don't think fanboy sentiments can answer it.

thats a quite spectacular set of assumptions and opinions being passed off as knowledge ... [;)]

[typhoon]

There is now a 1.02 Public Beta patch available from the Ageod site. It is a public beta and not yet an official patch so guess that's why the news never made it to the Matrix site. Although it would have been good to see it mentioned in the members area.

[pzgndr]

I grabbed the 1.02 beta. Thanks for the heads up.

BUT, why no announcements here?? If AEGOD and Slitherine are going to sell Matrix products, they need to support the Matrix forums. It's Matrix Games. Hello?

[Franciscus]

ORIGINAL: pzgndr

I grabbed the 1.02 beta. Thanks for the heads up.

BUT, why no announcements here?? If AEGOD and Slitherine are going to sell Matrix products, they need to support the Matrix forums. It's Matrix Games. Hello?

Hi

The argument IMHO is reversed: Matrix/Slitherine is selling Ageod products, they need to support Ageod.

Regards

[typhoon]

I'm afraid I feel that it is all one and the same and all three need to support each other bit like the union days or something like that united we stand divided we fall now I wonder where truly that saying comes from

[gmsitton]

Link to the patch, please?

[loki100]

ORIGINAL: gmsitton

Link to the patch, please?

here

[waltero]

Uh, should I make the purchase or not?

I have made other purchases and they were short lived.
Is this the game to end all games?

[loki100]

ORIGINAL: waltero

Uh, should I make the purchase or not?

I have made other purchases and they were short lived.
Is this the game to end all games?

well you are going to get a range of responses - some people have clearly decided the game is appalling etc.

my view is that the original (Napoleon's Campaigns or NCP) took a sensible approach of separating the Napoleonic wars into the various campaigns/coalitions as it is so hard to produce a realistic campaign covering the entire period. So I was a bit unsure that WoN could work but interested to see if AGEOD could pull it off.

I think the core thing has been done exceptionally well. Taking the diplomacy system from Pride of Nations - and adjusting - has given them the tool to reflect coalitions, states dipping in and out of the war with France, states having other interests than fighting with France etc.

Is the game perfect at the moment? No. Its clear that various key events are a bit flawed, a few people are reporting serious problems with crashes (though most including me haven't noticed this).

Will it get better? Yes. As above I think the core design is in place, the rest is learning and adjusting as game experience is acquired.

Is it worth buying now? I'd say yes. Its perfectly playable - I have a vs AI Austrian game up to late 1809 and its fun. I'm having to be very cautious about the French but am imposing Hapsburg rule in the Balkans. At some stage I need to make building (or joining) and anti-French coalition my priority.

[Bearcat2]

loki100 - Could you list your system specs and OS?

[gmsitton]

ORIGINAL: loki100

ORIGINAL: gmsitton

Link to the patch, please?

here

Thank you, kind sir. Sadly, apparently the patch has been removed from that link.

On a positive note, I was able to get the v1011.zip patch. It wasn't working through the updater on the WoN load screen.

[Aurelian]

ORIGINAL: gmsitton

ORIGINAL: loki100

ORIGINAL: gmsitton

Link to the patch, please?

here

Thank you, kind sir. Sadly, apparently the patch has been removed from that link.

On a positive note, I was able to get the v1011.zip patch. It wasn't working through the updater on the WoN load screen.

http://www.ageod-forum.com/showthread.p ... n-lt/page3

[gmsitton]

Thank you. That worked.

[waltero]

Sounds Complicated. Please notify me when a new patch is out...providing I can purchase the game without having to load all the patches (thus far).

[waltero]

Patches, I don't need no stinkin patches!