NAVAL BOMBARDMENT NOT WORKING AFTER BETA PATCH

[racndoc]

Something seems to be wrong with naval bombardment following installation of the v1.01.06d beta patch.

Im attempting to bombard Saipan prior to amphibious assault.

First I send in 2 bombardment TFs to bombard from 25,000 yards:


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 29, 43
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Night Naval bombardment of Saipan at 108,93 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

109 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Tennessee
BB Pennsylvania, Shell hits 2
CA Australia, Shell hits 1
CA Baltimore
CA Salt Lake City

Japanese ground losses:
85 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)



Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 5

BB Tennessee firing at Saipan
BB Pennsylvania firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Australia firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Baltimore firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Salt Lake City firing at Saipan Naval Fortress


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Night Naval bombardment of Saipan at 108,93 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

153 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Arizona
BB Nevada
CA Shropshire
CA Boston
CL Caradoc
CL Perth
CL Tromp, Shell hits 1
CL Java, Shell hits 1

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



Runway hits 4
Port hits 1

BB Arizona firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
BB Nevada firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Shropshire firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Boston firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CL Caradoc firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CL Perth firing at Saipan
CL Tromp firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CL Java firing at Saipan Naval Fortress


So far its ok but I need to achieve more suppression of the CD guns so I send the next bombardment TF to bombard from 15,000 yards:


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 03, 43
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Night Naval bombardment of Saipan at 108,93 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

105 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Tennessee
BB Pennsylvania
CA Australia, Shell hits 1
CA Baltimore
CA Salt Lake City

Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



BB Tennessee firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
BB Pennsylvania firing at 59th JNAF AF Unit
CA Australia firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Baltimore firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Salt Lake City firing at Saipan Naval Fortress



Ive got 4 divisions floating around on transports offshore so I need to get more neutralization of the defenders.

Next turn I standoff the bombardment TFs at 10,000 yards:


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 05, 43
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Night Naval bombardment of Saipan at 108,93 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

870 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Arizona, Shell hits 38, on fire
BB Nevada, Shell hits 19, on fire
CA Shropshire, Shell hits 1
CA Boston, Shell hits 1
CL Caradoc, Shell hits 3
CL Perth, Shell hits 8, on fire
CL Tromp, Shell hits 1
CL Java

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



Runway hits 1

BB Arizona firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
BB Nevada firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Shropshire firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Boston firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CL Caradoc firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CL Perth firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CL Tromp firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CL Java firing at Saipan


Night Naval bombardment of Saipan at 108,93 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

720 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Massachusetts, Shell hits 23, on fire
BB Idaho, Shell hits 20, on fire
CA Canberra, Shell hits 1
CA San Francisco, Shell hits 8, on fire
CA Chicago, Shell hits 4
CA Northampton, Shell hits 4

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



BB Massachusetts firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
BB Idaho firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Canberra firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA San Francisco firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Chicago firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Northampton firing at Saipan Naval Fortress


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Night Naval bombardment of Saipan at 108,93 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

484 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Tennessee, Shell hits 11
BB Pennsylvania, Shell hits 40, on fire
CA Australia, Shell hits 4
CA Baltimore, Shell hits 1
CA Salt Lake City, Shell hits 5



BB Tennessee firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
BB Pennsylvania firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Australia firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Baltimore firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Salt Lake City firing at Saipan Naval Fortress


Now I have 5 shot up BBs and half a dozen battered cruisers but I still cant damage the impregnable Saipan Naval Fortress. All of my bombardment TFs have float planes flying recon over Saipan in addition to land based heavy recon units. Three bombardment TFs with 6 BBs, 9 CAs and $ CLs at a standoff of 10,000 yards manage to cause 19 casualties and score a single runway hit.


Not only that but the BB Arizona/BB Nevada TF didnt use any ammo on its last bombardment from 10,000 yards:

[Rainer]

Latest Version 1.0.4.1106g
Scen 1
Allied vs AI
Game Date July 29, 1942
no mods

Bombardment TF (10 DDs) yesterday bombarded Tulagi. All Destroyers are down to Ammo Level 3 (18) with their 5 inch guns.
Lunga was bombarded by 2 BBs and a mixed force of Cruisers and Destroyers. The Battleships (North Carolina and California) are down to Ammo Level 6 (12) with their main guns, the Cruisers down to 2 (14).
Some - but not all - secondary guns were also fired (Cruisers only, not the BBs).
Both TFs had "Allow Escorts to Bombard" on. MinBombard 0.

I thinks it's working as designed (WAD).

[racndoc]

When you have 6 consecutive bombardments.......4 0f which are from 15,000 yards or less.....plenty close enough for CD guns to score repeated hits on the ships... and you cause negligible damage I dont think that the game is WAD.

When you have a bombardment TF supposedly "bombard" an island and take very heavy damage from CD gun shells and yet it doesnt expend ANY ammo in return I dont think the game is WAD.

Here is a screenshot of another bombardment ship that didnt expend any ammo:

[topeverest]

Admiral,

Naval bombardment was notoriously ineffective against hardened targets IRL both in Eurpoe and Pacific. I can't say if it is 'broken' in this game, but it does seem to mirror history pretty well.

If you are assuming Saipan in this case is a soft target like historic Tarawa, then perhaps there is an issue.

IMO, there is no way around a bloody battle with a hardened defended one hex island. Bombing the port and airfield out of existance to get base damage up and destroy some supply is far more effective than bombardment. When it comes to invasions against such targets, I find getting the airfield / port damage to 100/100 is the time to invade. It wont get any easyier than that, becuase any engineers wont be able to rebuilt forts. I put several large escorts and a number of smaller ones in the amphib convoy and attack without bombardment convoy. Those escorts tend to take the damage dished out by the fort. Not perfect, but workable imho.

[michaelm75au]

Setting the BBs float plane to Night Recon would probably have improved the Night Bombardment - they would have acted as spotters and dropped flares IRL.

[michaelm75au]

They is a random factor in that the ship guns might not fire. Extremely bad rolls if no guns on the ship fired at all.

[racndoc]

Michaelm...thanks for the response....not one of the 14 ships in the one bombardment used any ammo so that must have been a lot of extremely bad die rolls. I have a question about the night spotters. The bombardment TF goes in before the AC missions occur so you would need to send up a night recon the night before the actual bombardment?

[racndoc]

topeverest...thanx for your response. You may be right....the Saipan Naval Fortress may be the 8th Engineering Marvel of the World. It apparently is impervious to 250 heavy bombers also:


Morning Air attack on Saipan Naval Fortress, at 108,93 (Saipan)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes


Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 16
B-24D1 Liberator x 32
B-24J Liberator x 65
P-38G Lightning x 16
P-38H Lightning x 18
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 80


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Morning Air attack on Saipan Naval Fortress, at 108,93 (Saipan)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes


Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 6


No Allied losses



Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Ground Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Saipan Naval Fortress, at 108,93 (Saipan)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes


Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 6


No Allied losses



Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Ground Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Saipan Naval Fortress, at 108,93 (Saipan)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes


Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 6
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 18


No Allied losses



Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Ground Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb



Im gonna hit the Saipan Naval Fortress with 2 more bombardment TFs and a 1000 plane raid next turn. A thousand plane raid could cause a firestorm in Dresden killing over 100,000 people.....lets see if it will cause 100 casualties to the Saipan Naval Fortress.

[michaelm75au]

ORIGINAL: AdmSpruance

Michaelm...thanks for the response....not one of the 14 ships in the one bombardment used any ammo so that must have been a lot of extremely bad die rolls. I have a question about the night spotters. The bombardment TF goes in before the AC missions occur so you would need to send up a night recon the night before the actual bombardment?

Because the bombardment can happen before the air phase, you just need to set the FP to Recon. Before the bombardment starts, the mission of the groups are checked and if any are RECON, then they pseudo-fly for the attack - they don't count as a mission per se. If you don't want them to fly RECON in the air phase, just set the range to 0.

[michaelm75au]

Fortress units are hard to wear down just by using naval bombardment in my experience.

[Halsey]

ORIGINAL: michaelm

ORIGINAL: AdmSpruance

Michaelm...thanks for the response....not one of the 14 ships in the one bombardment used any ammo so that must have been a lot of extremely bad die rolls. I have a question about the night spotters. The bombardment TF goes in before the AC missions occur so you would need to send up a night recon the night before the actual bombardment?

Because the bombardment can happen before the air phase, you just need to set the FP to Recon. Before the bombardment starts, the mission of the groups are checked and if any are RECON, then they pseudo-fly for the attack - they don't count as a mission per se. If you don't want them to fly RECON in the air phase, just set the range to 0.

Is one FP in a TF set on recon sufficient?
Or do I have to go through every ship and do it?

[michaelm75au]

ORIGINAL: Halsey

ORIGINAL: michaelm

ORIGINAL: AdmSpruance

Michaelm...thanks for the response....not one of the 14 ships in the one bombardment used any ammo so that must have been a lot of extremely bad die rolls. I have a question about the night spotters. The bombardment TF goes in before the AC missions occur so you would need to send up a night recon the night before the actual bombardment?

Because the bombardment can happen before the air phase, you just need to set the FP to Recon. Before the bombardment starts, the mission of the groups are checked and if any are RECON, then they pseudo-fly for the attack - they don't count as a mission per se. If you don't want them to fly RECON in the air phase, just set the range to 0.

Is one FP in a TF set on recon sufficient?
Or do I have to go through every ship and do it?

IIRC you just need a FP on recon.

[jwilkerson]

ORIGINAL: michaelm
IIRC you just need a FP on recon.

IIRC when testing I was seeing messages for each ship saying a spotter plane was helping that ship - but I did not try testing with only one plane per TF.

[racndoc]

michaelm...the night bombardment seems to work a bit better with the night recon planes.

jwilkerson....you may be right. The cbt rpt txt seems to indicate that recon planes act as spotters for individual ships at night but that may be only a script thing:


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 10, 43

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Night Naval bombardment of Saipan at 108,93 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

104 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Idaho, Shell hits 1
BB Tennessee
CA Canberra
CA Australia
CA Baltimore
CA San Francisco
CA Salt Lake City
CA Chicago, Shell hits 2

Japanese ground losses:
56 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)



Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 31
Port hits 5
Port fuel hits 1

BB Idaho firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
BB Tennessee firing at Saipan
OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for BB Tennessee
CA Canberra firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Australia firing at Saipan
CA Baltimore firing at 5th Base Force
CA San Francisco firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Salt Lake City firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for CA Salt Lake City
CA Chicago firing at Saipan Naval Fortress


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Night Naval bombardment of Saipan at 108,93 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

188 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Alabama
BB Massachusetts, Shell hits 1
BB South Dakota, Shell hits 1
CA Wichita
CA Vincennes
CA Quincy, Shell hits 1
CA Minneapolis
CA Northampton, Shell hits 1
CA Portland, Shell hits 1

Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 15

BB Alabama firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
BB Massachusetts firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
BB South Dakota firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Wichita firing at Saipan
CA Vincennes firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Quincy firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Minneapolis firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Northampton firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Portland firing at Saipan Naval Fortress

[koontz]

with the smae patch

Naval bombardment of Kota Bharu at 51,75

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CA Kumano
CA Suzuya
CA Mikuma
CA Mogami
DD Hagikaze
DD Arashi
DD Nowaki
DD Maikaze


Allied ground losses:
316 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 19 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled


Airbase hits 16
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 146
Port hits 24
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 3

AND

Naval bombardment of Iba at 78,75

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed on ground

Japanese Ships
CL Naka
DD Samidare
DD Yudachi
DD Harusame
DD Murasame
DD Asagumo
DD Minegumo
DD Natsugumo



Resources hits 5
Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 111
Port hits 32
Port supply hits 3

[koontz]

ORIGINAL: AdmSpruance

Something seems to be wrong with naval bombardment following installation of the v1.01.06d beta patch.

Im attempting to bombard Saipan prior to amphibious assault.

First I send in 2 bombardment TFs to bombard from 25,000 yards:


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 29, 43
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Night Naval bombardment of Saipan at 108,93 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

109 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Tennessee
BB Pennsylvania, Shell hits 2
CA Australia, Shell hits 1
CA Baltimore
CA Salt Lake City

Japanese ground losses:
85 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)



Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 5

BB Tennessee firing at Saipan
BB Pennsylvania firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Australia firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Baltimore firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Salt Lake City firing at Saipan Naval Fortress


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Night Naval bombardment of Saipan at 108,93 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

153 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Arizona
BB Nevada
CA Shropshire
CA Boston
CL Caradoc
CL Perth
CL Tromp, Shell hits 1
CL Java, Shell hits 1

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



Runway hits 4
Port hits 1

BB Arizona firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
BB Nevada firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Shropshire firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Boston firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CL Caradoc firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CL Perth firing at Saipan
CL Tromp firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CL Java firing at Saipan Naval Fortress


So far its ok but I need to achieve more suppression of the CD guns so I send the next bombardment TF to bombard from 15,000 yards:


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 03, 43
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Night Naval bombardment of Saipan at 108,93 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

105 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Tennessee
BB Pennsylvania
CA Australia, Shell hits 1
CA Baltimore
CA Salt Lake City

Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



BB Tennessee firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
BB Pennsylvania firing at 59th JNAF AF Unit
CA Australia firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Baltimore firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Salt Lake City firing at Saipan Naval Fortress



Ive got 4 divisions floating around on transports offshore so I need to get more neutralization of the defenders.

Next turn I standoff the bombardment TFs at 10,000 yards:


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 05, 43
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Night Naval bombardment of Saipan at 108,93 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

870 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Arizona, Shell hits 38, on fire
BB Nevada, Shell hits 19, on fire
CA Shropshire, Shell hits 1
CA Boston, Shell hits 1
CL Caradoc, Shell hits 3
CL Perth, Shell hits 8, on fire
CL Tromp, Shell hits 1
CL Java

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



Runway hits 1

BB Arizona firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
BB Nevada firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Shropshire firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Boston firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CL Caradoc firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CL Perth firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CL Tromp firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CL Java firing at Saipan


Night Naval bombardment of Saipan at 108,93 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

720 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Massachusetts, Shell hits 23, on fire
BB Idaho, Shell hits 20, on fire
CA Canberra, Shell hits 1
CA San Francisco, Shell hits 8, on fire
CA Chicago, Shell hits 4
CA Northampton, Shell hits 4

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



BB Massachusetts firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
BB Idaho firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Canberra firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA San Francisco firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Chicago firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Northampton firing at Saipan Naval Fortress


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Night Naval bombardment of Saipan at 108,93 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

484 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Tennessee, Shell hits 11
BB Pennsylvania, Shell hits 40, on fire
CA Australia, Shell hits 4
CA Baltimore, Shell hits 1
CA Salt Lake City, Shell hits 5



BB Tennessee firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
BB Pennsylvania firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Australia firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Baltimore firing at Saipan Naval Fortress
CA Salt Lake City firing at Saipan Naval Fortress


Now I have 5 shot up BBs and half a dozen battered cruisers but I still cant damage the impregnable Saipan Naval Fortress. All of my bombardment TFs have float planes flying recon over Saipan in addition to land based heavy recon units. Three bombardment TFs with 6 BBs, 9 CAs and $ CLs at a standoff of 10,000 yards manage to cause 19 casualties and score a single runway hit.


Not only that but the BB Arizona/BB Nevada TF didnt use any ammo on its last bombardment from 10,000 yards:

Guess you had bad intel, wrong distance or just bad rolls Amis [:'(]

or very high fort lvl?

[Halsey]

Thanks, looks like capital ships will get the extra attention.[;)]

Does surface radar enhance this for night bombardments?
Shouldn't it?

[hbrsvl]

Hi- My concern with bombardment is that my OBBs fire off almost all of their large caliber ammo. I just bombarded Roi-Namur with 5 OBBs.

Results-300+ Japanese casualities(which seems low to me), but all OBBs went from 12/12 large ammo to 2/12 large ammo. Is this the pattern for shore bombardments from now on? That seems to be a huge expenditure of ammo for not very good returns.

Comments, please. Thanks, Hugh Browne

[PaxMondo]

ORIGINAL: Halsey

Does surface radar enhance this for night bombardments?
Shouldn't it?

Dec 43. Not really. Radar at this date isn't discerning physical features yet. Helping you land on a target the you acquire visually? Yes. Helping you find targets? Not yet.

In sea battles, the radar is helping as a ship stands out against the sea background. Land items just aren't really discernible at this stage of radar development. Not really sure they had this even in '46. By '52 though, this was definitely evolving.

[Disco Duck]

ORIGINAL: hbrsvl

Hi- My concern with bombardment is that my OBBs fire off almost all of their large caliber ammo. I just bombarded Roi-Namur with 5 OBBs.

Results-300+ Japanese casualities(which seems low to me), but all OBBs went from 12/12 large ammo to 2/12 large ammo. Is this the pattern for shore bombardments from now on? That seems to be a huge expenditure of ammo for not very good returns.

Comments, please. Thanks, Hugh Browne

Sounds legitimate to me. Read about Tararawa (sp? real rough day at work). The bombardment didn't do much but cut communication lines and with a lucky shot took out the Japanese commander when he was trying to change his location. (good videos on U-tube). In WW I it took huge amount of shells to do anything at all. A quantity you can't even get close to puting on your ships.

Overall I would say bombardment only damages moral and orginization. Of course this helps once the land troops get there but actual casualties I can't imagine there would be much.