When?

[bo]

Calm down everyone NOW! or else. [:D] I have a lot more to say to you combatants but crussdaddy gave me so many smileys to think about I have spent the last hour trying to figure out which ones to use in my 500 word post. [:)][:D][8D][;)][&:][:(][:'(][>:][:o][:-][8|][&o] oh I know which one [:@][:@][:@][:@][:@][:@] knock it off!

Bo

[bo]

ORIGINAL: vonRocko

ORIGINAL: abj9562

Asking for the rules to be upheld is not an invasion of an individuals privacy. His use of foul language directed specifically twords me was public therefore my request is public.

As to his statement that it is mean and abusive to ask what software development expierance he has; well, that seems a little strange to me. How can he compare his use of foul language and name calling to those questions is beyond my scope of coprehension. Although I feel he did want to avoid answering the questions. He could have just said it was none of my business after all.

Bottom line, in my opinion, I have finally come to believe that it is time for the moderators to step in and moderate. A definitive switch in my opinion since this morning.

OK, fair enough. I just don't like banning people. We all stretch the rules here sometimes.[;)]

Agreed, no one should be banned as long as no cussing or filthy remarks against another poster are involved, saying that means nothing because only an individual can deem about what is said about him or her is destructive to their nature.

bo

[Anendrue]

@ rmdesantis
You are right about the complexity and loyalty of the crowd. It is easy to see the passion we all exhibit crusssdaddy included. I am not privledged to what Steve has to do or report to Matrix. However I would find it absolutely incredulous if Matrix didn't get reports and evaluate progress on a consistent basis. Steve's monthly reports to us have been fairly consistent for many years. Why would Matrix not expect much more than what he delivers to the public at large. As to looking over Steve's shoulder he has indicated his documentation procedures. I can absolutley assure you that he goes way above and beyond in that arena. Steve writes extremely high quality code notation from what he has publically posted here. He even goes so far as to annotate the reasoning behind the coding decisions he has made which is basically something yo never see in most peoples work. Base on what I have publically seen any developer with 5+ years of skill could take over this project after a solid months worth of reading and know exactly what is happening in the code and why. I hope this helps answer your questions.

@ crusssdaddy
That is not what I am saying. Please do not put words into my mouth. I just asked what validates your opinion. The stronger your validation the stronger your argument is. What I disagree with is using attacks as a method of validating an opinion. When you make calm rational opinions I actually think about them and their validity. For example I do believe the development time for MWiF has been slow. So please understand, I do not necessarily disagree with all of your opinions. I just absolutely disagree with your methods of making your points. There is never ever a reason to use vulgar language, call people names, or make personal attacks upon them. This is why the forum has rules of civility. So please take a deep breath and take a step back and remember that all I am looking for is the following when I evaluate any post.

1. What is the persons background and knowledge.
2. Are they an expert or layman.
3. Are they working for the project, observing it, or positing hypothetical issues.
4. Do they help the community or hinder the community.

These help evaluate how much weight to give a persons opinion. For 1 and 2, I value novice layman opinions on all my teams. They represent the vast majority of people after all. Nobody is ever an expert in everything. So that does not preclude or change the value of your arguments . It just allows a rational view of your statements. Number 3 creates a frame of view for what the person is trying to achieve. Number 4 tells me weather to dismiss the individual out of hand or not.

Since I do not know your background or knowledge I asked. For the same reason I asked about your development skills to ascertain if you are an expert or layman. For these reasons you made multiple personal attacks on myself violating forum rules.
Based on my own evaluation and your own statements I think your background may be scant in software development which means you may not understand what actually goes into developing a software product from beginning to end. If I am wrong please correct that. I also feel you want an excellent product for MWiF and in your own opinion it is not happening. I am unsure as to your motivation though. At times it seems like you have a passion for getting a better game and at times it seems like you just want to drive a stake into the heart of the project. This leave me bewildered and confused when your own arguments are contradictory. For example earlier you said "all of the above, except the second option." Indicating you wanted a better product but also wanted to derail the project.

So when I look at the summation of your posts, your resasoning, your expierance, and your percieved motivation, it all becomes background noise compared to the personal attacks you keep leveling at me, Steve, and others. Stop the attacks and we might actually listen.

[Anendrue]

ORIGINAL: bo
Agreed, no one should be banned as long as no cussing or filthy remarks against another poster are involved, saying that means nothing because only an individual can deem about what is said about him or her is destructive to their nature.

bo

At my age and my background calling someone an a-- is cussing, derogatory, and vulgar. For that and only that did I ask for him to be banned.

If I ever used such language at any place I have ever worked my employment would have been short. Even in my USAF days it would have been unacceptable to do that to anyone in public. It would have fallen under conduct unbecoming a Non Commissioned Officer. In my church people would probably avoid you unless there was a quick and heartfelt apology. In most professional jobs it would get you fired. I do understand there are some places and people who find that word acceptable. That does not however make it acceptable nor mean that I have to accept it as such.

[bo]

ORIGINAL: abj9562

ORIGINAL: bo
Agreed, no one should be banned as long as no cussing or filthy remarks against another poster are involved, saying that means nothing because only an individual can deem about what is said about him or her is destructive to their nature.

bo

At my age and my background calling someone an a-- is cussing, derogatory, and vulgar. For that and only that did I ask for him to be banned.

If I ever used such language at any place I have ever worked my employment would have been short. Even in my USAF days it would have been unacceptable to do that to anyone in public. It would have fallen under conduct unbecoming a Non Commissioned Officer. In my church people would probably avoid you unless there was a quick and heartfelt apology. In most professional jobs it would get you fired. I do understand there are some places and people who find that word acceptable. That does not however make it acceptable nor mean that I have to accept it as such.

Errrrrrrrr abj, should you not be working on the MWIF web site that we are all eagerly awaiting [even crussdaddy] lets get crackin my man. [:-]

Bo

[warspite1]

Have you read the contradictory, self righteous drivel you spout??

When faced with opinions contrary to your own, you should be able to say "No, I disagree."

Yeah, just like you do[8|] You wouldn't stoop so low as to discredit, what was it? Failtrix, Matrash (Hilarious - [8|]) "Matrix don't give a ****", "they don't want the game to come out". [X(]

You seek to remove the opposition through spurious questions of expertise.

Yeah. Still waiting for that list of megabucks computer wargame companies that you advised us about 2 years ago that you know about and that will throw piles of cash at the game, regardless of economic reality. Oh and still waiting for you to answer post 2984 Mr Expert. [>:]

Failing that, perhaps a clutching of pearls at deployment of a synonym for "fool" can abolish the transgressor?

Sorry, when I said about you being a genius wordsmith I was being sarcastic - you seem to have taken it to heart - bless [8|]

....find a landing strip and come back down to Planet Earth with the rest of us.

[X(][X(] Let me fix that for you -

....find a landing strip and come back down to Planet Spoiled Child with me

- there you go I think that' more accurately deals with that.

Don't be afraid of contrary opinions, trust in your own enough to say "I do not agree" without need to discredit the messenger.

Listen to yourself. Do you know what irony is? (no Blackadder jokes please).

My last question to you - If the game is not coming out, if Steve is out of his depth, if Matrix are doing all they can to keep the rights and not produce the game, why don't you just ****** off? Apart from trolling, why would you stick around if you believe the nonsense you write?

[werwolf]

When a couple of years ago I posted (or maybe started) a post asking why this game was never released yet and I supposed that Matrix Game never wanted to release it neither in the future I was covered with a lot of insults and words like troll, etc., etc., etc, showing a deep lackage of democracy....
Strange what I am able to read in these days.......
Hops,I forgot that the game will be realesd when it will be ready.....maybe for this Christmas.....bla, bla, bla,....
Ah,ah, ah, ah, poor boys....

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: werwolf

When a couple of years ago I posted (or maybe started) a post asking why this game was never released yet and I supposed that Matrix Game never wanted to release it neither in the future I was covered with a lot of insults and words like troll, etc., etc., etc, showing a deep lackage of democracy....
Strange what I am able to read in these days.......
Hops,I forgot that the game will be realesd when it will be ready.....maybe for this Christmas.....bla, bla, bla,....
Ah,ah, ah, ah, poor boys....

warspite1

I shouldn't bother asking but....

Why would Matrix not want the game released? I don't understand your reasoning. Why would they do that? Maybe you are right - so let's hear your logic please.

[werwolf]

Probably you should ask Matrix....
In all these years of complaint Matrix has never aswered, try to think why.....
And moreover try to think which reasons could lead Matrix not to release this game (economic, avoid to admit a failure, etc. etc., etc.)

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: werwolf

Probably you should ask Matrix....
In all these years of complaint Matrix has never aswered, try to think why.....
And moreover try to think which reasons could lead Matrix not to release this game (economic, avoid to admit a failure, etc. etc., etc.)

warspite1

No, I was asking you. You have made a statement that, by any measure, makes no sense. I'm respectfully asking you to put forward sensible arguments that support your theory.

[werwolf]

"I'm respectfully asking" Matrix "to put forward sensible arguments" abouut the REAL date of the release.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: werwolf

"I'm respectfully asking" Matrix "to put forward sensible arguments" abouut the REAL date of the release.

warspite1

Sensible arguments about the real date of release?

There is no argument. As you well know, Steve has had life threatening illnesses over the last year or so. The game is delayed as a result, and given life's proper priorities, no release date can be made with certainty at the moment.

As for the comments made previously:

- Avoid admit failure: What is more damaging to Matrix? They could say, the project won't work, we are shelving it OR put up with this constant "When" business? There is no mileage in prolonging something that won't happen and that damages their reputation. Again, where is the justification for you saying they don't want the game to come out.

- Economic: Well at least, unlike CrusssDaddy you recognise that there is an economic reality, albeit I do not think you understand the commercial relationships that exist and thus where the finance restrictions make themselves felt.

[werwolf]

I said Matrix not Steve, and you said practically that they encountered probelms over the "last year". And before?.....
Last but not least are you sure I do not "understand the commercial relationships that exist"?

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: werwolf

I said Matrix not Steve, and you said practically that they encountered probelms over the "last year". And before?.....
Last but not least are you sure I do not "understand the commercial relationships that exist"?

warspite1

No I cannot be sure, but because of your insistence on putting vague words out there - economic - as reasons for the game not coming out, but don't support such comments when asked, I am assuming that to be the case.

Before? The game is a monster its proving difficult to code. If Matrix thought Steve was not up to the job then I am sure they would have done something about it, after all its not good advertising for Matrix is it? I suspect the fact is, they know Steve is doing as good a job as anyone could do and are letting him get on with it.

[yvesp]

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

"Everyone who does not own a software company, develop software, or work in software development business management, do not post to this forum -- your opinion is not valid." That is your argument. Is that really what you wish to stand by? Is that a position of integrity?

I don't believe anybody said this.

However, when you take the stance of a project director, telling how this project should be managed, it is reasonable that people question your experience regarding the suggestions you make.

You yourself question the ability of Steve on this project ; did you personally speak to him ?
Can you pinpoint specific failures beyond the inability to complete a very complicated project by himself in the initial timeframe ?
Can you be specific in the way he is not competent ?

He has shown some of his code, and I can confirm that it's better written than most I usually see, with lots of comments which many programmers wouldn't 'lose time' to write. Many technical choices (Delphi for exemple) were mostly imposed from the start by the legacy code from CWiF and even if these were to prove bad the fault couldn't be dumped solely on Steve's shoulders. As for the global software architecture, I guess nobody has seen the whole picture to put out any judgement good or bad.
His monthly reports are more than what I have ever seen in any project, professionaly speaking. People usually don't bother going into so many details. If I were project director, I sure would be happy with him!

Failure is to be expected in any project, even projects led by very competent people.
The majority of projects I know don't come out on the scheduled date. Still, most of them end up still being profitable. This project is unusually and frustrating deriving in time. I'm very much in doubt that a competent AI will ever be made. And there is of course much concerns about the project not going to it's end given Steve's last year health problems. Nobody can blame him for that. I just hope that Matrix has been searching for a backup, somebody who could begin with 'simple tasks' such as debugging and enter the code ; either to take on after Steve if he should for any reason have to back down (possibly after the initial release : he could want a break!) This could speed up the project (Steve concentrating on the most complex problems) as well as providing some security to the project. I believe that there is a project management problem that Steve had to personally deal with hundreds of bugs every month, a task that can often be delegated, while whole parts of the project were being ignored (say AI for exemple.) Once more, this is not Steve responsability ; to understand why, one would have to question Matrix, and possibly again read the contract's fine prints...

Some of your points are valid. Your wording is not. Your aggressivity has no place here.

You are frustrated ? You want the project to come out ? Then extend a hand to Steve and take up a part of this project, since you seem so knowledgeable. Maybe you could be coding AI rules under his guidance ?

Yves

[Extraneous]

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Extraneous, your post is not very helpful. It contradicts Steve's reply in places and cites posts dating back to 2006 as supposed proof of what is happening in 2012. Additionally, I am not interested in what Matrixster's marketing department has to say on any topic: they have shit the bed so thoroughly as to be considered unreliable commenting in any capacity.

Steve, the list of scenarios is more extensive than I had thought. That these are completed and tested is good news. Additionally, the list of included options and add-ons appears essentially complete, if these are indeed completed and currently working (aside from minor bugs, if any). I withdraw my complaints that those critical components are missing. A.I. appears as yet to be a dream.

Re: graphics and user's manual and pace of development, there's a lot of having cake and a lot of eating it too. When I make complaints about the relative lack of need for these things, I am greeted with choruses of "But what about the noobs? All the people who buy this who have never played WiF before need extensive tutorials and graphics and shiny things," as if Matrix is counting on widespread support from the computer war gaming community and broad appeal along with brisk sales. Then when I make complaints that development has taken unreasonably long and that Matrash has not allocated the proper amount of resources and support, the chorus changes to, "Oh but WiF is a specialty game, it's not like it's this big project with broad appeal that is going to sell like gangbusters and justify a proper development team." Well, which is it? I am actually in the glass-half-full camp that believes WiF has the capacity to shine in a marketplace loaded with crappy Grigsby-spam and dopey HOI games, but I am consistently told that I am wrong and the only road to development is one guy and a handful of part-time volunteers.

The only one that matters at this point dwarfs any concerns: your health. You are the only option for completion. There is no Plan B. And let's be real here: reports of your demise may be greatly exaggerated, but the trajectory of your health is not encouraging. Are you at an age where a vigorous rebound is more likely, or less likely? Your own stubbornness in accepting volunteer help with the coding/programming up until last year was very much at the root of the problem. So even if we grant that you can hang in to get a reduced MWiF out the door, the optimism required to believe you can also hang in to implement additional scenarios and add-ons and the A.I. is a bridge too far.

One other question: can the Edit Mode be retained for MWiF, allowing for DIY scenario building and flights of speculative fancy?

Just showing you that your wish list has been addressed. Things change and someone like you should know that.

Your not interested in what Matrixster's marketing department has to say? Please get your corporate information straight.

Matrix Corporate (or you can use the link is at the top of the page)
Erik Rutins "Snow Dog" is Director of Product Development and Business Relations
Sean Drummy "Armed" is Marketing, Press Relations and Project Manager

Remember I am no longer in the Beta so I can only post links to information that has been posted.

There is a search button at the top of the page you could use it to find information if you wished.


One of the things I want you to know is this game doe's not have to meet all your specifications.

If you don't like the game specifications don't buy the game.

It's not all about you.

PS: I used Microsoft Word to correct your spelling and grammar.

[werwolf]

You are right is "not good advertising for Matrix"
And after all no one has not answered yet about a probable release date.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: werwolf

You are right is "not good advertising for Matrix"
And after all no one has not answered yet about a probable release date.

warspite1

YES THEY HAVE - SEE MY EARLIER POST. AT THE MOMENT THERE IS NO RELEASE DATE THAT MAY BE GIVEN. Steve;s health is more important than, what is only, A GAME.

[CrusssDaddy]

"How do they do it?!?!?!?" you lot must ask yourselves of these other developers and publishers who routinely team up to churn out new titles on a yearly basis. "It must be black magic!" How else to explain Paradox cranking out three HOIs, two Victorias, and a rabble of Dark Ages and Medieval-themed strategic titles since MWiF was announced. Or Slitherine covering WWI + WWII + ancient era in the same time? Or even the illustrious Wastrix with Gary Grigsby Inc., WWII, Civil War, WWI, war across the galaxy, etc., etc.? And all with functioning A.I.s even... "S'truth, it's the Devil's work!!!"

I wonder, is it magic... or perhaps they hired more than one guy to run those shows, and delegated resources, and gave a damn if a game was released? Naw, that couldn't be it...

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Extraneous

It's not all about you.

warspite1

Yes it is - he is a child. He wants it and he wants it now!