Tilting at Windmills - Adm Bonnie (& ctangus) vs. Quixote

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1/16-1/17/42

Lots going on all around the map but only time for a quick update. Then it's turkey time!

Operation Kopi Luwak

The Japanese have a solid foothold on Java now though not overwhelming force yet. However KB is in SW Pac and the heavy guns (bombardment TFs) are leaving the area to presumable rearm.

The aim of this operation is to sink as many follow-on forces & supply as I can. Most of the ABDA fleet & air force is committed to the op.

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Nice maps you have.
 
Java, bomb the troops in the open.  The Jap paratroopers look like some easy targets.  But watch out he might be LRCAPing from Makassar or somewhere else.
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Java, bomb the troops in the open.  The Jap paratroopers look like some easy targets.  But watch out he might be LRCAPing from Makassar or somewhere else.

Good advice. I just ordered that for the 20th (I'm a couple days behind on this AAR.) He's got fighters on Denpasar right next to Java but also has a lot of hexes to LRCAP. I don't have many bombers left on Java, though, as I'll detail shortly. [:D]
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1/18/42

Java

Well Operation Kopi Luwak had results that could have come out of a civet's rear...

The night of the 18th started with 6 PT boats engaging a transport TF. Shells are put into 4 transports and one APD on escort but no major damage. Another 3 PT boats then runs into what I've now dubbed the Destroyer Division of Doom. Remarkably they are unscathed and do manage to deplete a little of the IJN ammo.

And then Force Z encounters those destroyers. I'm thinking if this is all that's covering the transports then I'm golden! However the engagement starts with a long lance slamming into Repulse. And another long lance. And another... Repulse ate 6 torps in all. Glug! DD Scout was also hit by a torpedo and sank. DD Thanet was hit by 5 shells and left burning heavily. The 4 IJN DDs each took one small shell hit apiece.

Oof!

With the IJN screen out of position mauling Force Z the Houston TF does manage to get through to some transports. First a small TF (1 PB & 3xAK) is encountered and after multiple shell hits two xAKs are left heavily on fire. 445 dead troops were reported floating in the water. The USN then encounters 3 IJN DMS and promptly sinks all 3. Another small transport TF is encountered the 1 PB is sunk and the one xAK is lit on fire (38 casualties). A third larger transport TF is briefly engaged. Of 3 escorts & 13 transports there is only one shell hit on one xAK.

As dawn breaks the Destroyer Division of Doom finally catches up with the Houston & company:

Day Time Surface Combat, near Banjoewangi at 57,107, Range 14,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Natsushio
DD Hagikaze, Shell hits 1
DD Michishio
DD Umikaze

Allied Ships
CA Houston
DD Edsall, Shell hits 11, heavy fires, heavy damage SINKS
DD John D. Edwards, Shell hits 17, heavy fires, heavy damage SINKS
DD Parrott, Shell hits 6
DD Whipple, Shell hits 10, heavy fires, heavy damage SINKS

Those !@#^%$*@ destroyers weren't done yet. They caught one Force Z's cripples & her escort:

Day Time Surface Combat, near Pamekasan at 58,106, Range 14,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Natsushio
DD Hagikaze
DD Michishio
DD Umikaze, Shell hits 2

Allied Ships
DD Thanet, Shell hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage SINKS
DD Express, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage SINKS

Bunch of sub/ASW attacks in the area too but nothing conclusive.

Known ships sunk from the battle:

Allies:
1 BC (Repulse)
3 RN DDs
3 USN DDs (4-stackers)

IJN:
1 PB
3 DMS

That didn't exactly go as planned but I still had hopes for the ABDA air force. 94 bombers (including DBs & TBs) with 33 fighters escorting were distributed among two bases. Quixote had (per recon) 55 fighters nearby at Denpassar but needed to cover a lot of hexes with those. I had hoped to have 3 squadrons of P-40s on hand as well for additional escorts & maybe some CAP duty. They had just taken on some replacements in Australia. A few turns ago I was dropping off some drop tanks at Broome when this happened. http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3217742

Only one small raid is launched in the morning:

Morning Air attack on TF, near Banjoewangi at 57,107

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 16

Allied aircraft
139WH-3 x 3
B-339D x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
139WH-3: 2 destroyed
B-339D: 3 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CA Takao

Early in the afternoon Madioen was pummelled. That just happened to be where 60% of my attack forces were. (Note: the 4Es were resting after an AF attack against Denpasar and weren't part of the numbers mentioned above.)

Afternoon Air attack on Madioen , at 54,104

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 26

Allied aircraft
no flights

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
L-212: 7 damaged
B-339D: 6 damaged
B-339D: 1 destroyed on ground
139WH-3: 6 damaged
139WH-3: 2 destroyed on ground
B-17D Fortress: 2 damaged
A-24 Banshee: 8 damaged
A-24 Banshee: 1 destroyed on ground
CW-22 Falcon: 1 destroyed on ground
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

ABDA forces manage to launch one unescorted raid in the afternoon & 7 Dutch bombers were destroyed with nothing accomplished. None of the A-24s or Vildebeests flew at all.

There was some air action elsewhere but overall losses for the turn were 52 allied planes destroyed vs 12 Japanese. 25 A2A losses, 21 ground losses.

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OMG!
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1/18/42

Java
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And then Force Z encounters those destroyers. I'm thinking if this is all that's covering the transports then I'm golden! However the engagement starts with a long lance slamming into Repulse. And another long lance. And another... Repulse ate 6 torps in all. Glug! DD Scout was also hit by a torpedo and sank. DD Thanet was hit by 5 shells and left burning heavily. The 4 IJN DDs each took one small shell hit apiece.

Oof!

With the IJN screen out of position mauling Force Z the Houston TF does manage to get through to some transports. First a small TF (1 PB & 3xAK) is encountered and after multiple shell hits two xAKs are left heavily on fire. 445 dead troops were reported floating in the water. The USN then encounters 3 IJN DMS and promptly sinks all 3. Another small transport TF is encountered the 1 PB is sunk and the one xAK is lit on fire (38 casualties). A third larger transport TF is briefly engaged. Of 3 escorts & 13 transports there is only one shell hit on one xAK.

As dawn breaks the Destroyer Division of Doom finally catches up with the Houston & company:

Day Time Surface Combat, near Banjoewangi at 57,107, Range 14,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Natsushio
DD Hagikaze, Shell hits 1
DD Michishio
DD Umikaze

Allied Ships
CA Houston
DD Edsall, Shell hits 11, heavy fires, heavy damage SINKS
DD John D. Edwards, Shell hits 17, heavy fires, heavy damage SINKS
DD Parrott, Shell hits 6
DD Whipple, Shell hits 10, heavy fires, heavy damage SINKS

Those !@#^%$*@ destroyers weren't done yet. They caught one Force Z's cripples & her escort:

Day Time Surface Combat, near Pamekasan at 58,106, Range 14,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Natsushio
DD Hagikaze
DD Michishio
DD Umikaze, Shell hits 2

Allied Ships
DD Thanet, Shell hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage SINKS
DD Express, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage SINKS

Bunch of sub/ASW attacks in the area too but nothing conclusive.

Known ships sunk from the battle:

Allies:
1 BC (Repulse)
3 RN DDs
3 USN DDs (4-stackers)

IJN:
1 PB
3 DMS

...

Results like this are enough to drive you to drink. In fact I'll drink a beer right now start the process. How could those DDs even have that much ammo. And OMG - this is during the day - not one of those nasty night combats. Was the Houston out of ammo? Because a single hit from a 8" should be enough to send one of those DDs to knackers.

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One 8" hit to do in a DD? Maybe some of the smaller ones but not the Kageros [10 VP value]. I had CAs Australia and Canberra surprise four Kageros at night and lay on heavy broadsides on two or them before they could respond. It took three 8" hull piercing hits each before the DDs reached the "On Fire" level of damage [heavy smoke but dull flame in the replay]. Five or six hits got them up to Heavy Fires [bright flame/heavy smoke] and 13-14 hits to sink them outright. They may have sunk after a time with just the five or six hits because of poor damage control, but it shows just how tough they are to start with!
As for Houston, Allied gunnery in the early part of the game is often quite poor and DDs are very agile. OTOH, four-stacker DDs are very fragile - I have lost several to fires from single 5" hits! [:(]
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Results like this are enough to drive you to drink. In fact I'll drink a beer right now start the process.

*Clink!*

Quoting an email from Quixote: "I'll never complain about another die roll again in this game after that one." I'll hold him to that if I should ever get good die rolls! [:D]
Was the Houston out of ammo?

She may have been. That was the last of 5 engagements she was in. Certainly short on it. I can say for sure she's currently out of 8" ammo (hasn't made it to port yet since the battle.)
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One 8" hit to do in a DD? Maybe some of the smaller ones but not the Kageros [10 VP value]. I had CAs Australia and Canberra surprise four Kageros at night and lay on heavy broadsides on two or them before they could respond. It took three 8" hull piercing hits each before the DDs reached the "On Fire" level of damage [heavy smoke but dull flame in the replay]. Five or six hits got them up to Heavy Fires [bright flame/heavy smoke] and 13-14 hits to sink them outright. They may have sunk after a time with just the five or six hits because of poor damage control, but it shows just how tough they are to start with!
As for Houston, Allied gunnery in the early part of the game is often quite poor and DDs are very agile. OTOH, four-stacker DDs are very fragile - I have lost several to fires from single 5" hits! [:(]


Useful info. Thanks!
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1/19/42

Java

My surface TFs were nerfed on the 18th. My LBA lost a lot of strength as well but wasn't completely neutralized. On the 19th the LBA did mostly take off & managed 5 strikes in the AM, 4 in the PM. While many of the strikes were uncoordinated the ABDA forces did manage to cause a little damage. Summary of damage caused:

APD Aoi, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Sugiyama Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
AK Awazisan Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Konan Maru, Bomb hits 1
DD Asagumo, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

That wasn't without cost however. A huge cost in fact. Overall air losses for the day were 60 allied losses vs. 9 Japanese. 50 A2A losses! (A few losses occured elsewhere but most were over Java.) While I do have a few more planes to lose over Java the ABDA air force has been gutted. [:(]
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1/16 - 1/21/42

Not much happened around Java on the 20th or 21st. I'm going to try to catch up on other theaters.

SW Pac

The first Japanese assault takes Port Moresby on the 16th. [:(] However a modestly reinforced Horn Island resists a fast transport invasion on the 18th.

KB's been missing for the last 4 turns now. It probably went to Rabaul or Truk to replenish as I should have enough search assets to detect another raid on my SLOCs.

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1/16-1/22/42

We got another turn in but nothing too dramatic happened on the 22nd. Will try to continue to catch up.

Philippines

Clark Field holds off another shock attack on the 22nd. Supplies on Luzon are down to about 11.5K though:

Ground combat at Clark Field (79,76)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 54104 troops, 607 guns, 342 vehicles, Assault Value = 1538

Defending force 26446 troops, 498 guns, 386 vehicles, Assault Value = 575

Japanese adjusted assault: 1044

Allied adjusted defense: 829

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
5694 casualties reported
Squads: 56 destroyed, 282 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 81 disabled
Engineers: 89 destroyed, 9 disabled
Guns lost 43 (1 destroyed, 42 disabled)
Vehicles lost 14 (4 destroyed, 10 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2264 casualties reported
Squads: 131 destroyed, 50 disabled
Non Combat: 18 destroyed, 43 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 33 disabled
Guns lost 95 (25 destroyed, 70 disabled)
Vehicles lost 12 (1 destroyed, 11 disabled)

Burma

The IJA crosses the Salween river on the 20th I think, about a day or two ahead of my blocking force. I think I don't have any choice but to do a bit of a Sir Robin here and just ordered a bunch of units into strat mode.

So far in Burma I've consolidated the 1st Burma Division and flown in most of two Chinese divisions. (One is currently on garrison duty in Rangoon, the other will finish flying in on the 23rd.)

I'm considering defending at the two phase lines that I show on the map below. I'm curious for ideas though - in my test AE game the AI kicked my butt in this theater. [:D]

I'm also looking at leaving a garrison at Rangoon - it would be @130 AV of weak Burmese troops - just enough to cover the garrison requirements. I know those troops would have a strong chance of being surrounded & destroyed in full. On the other hand forcing him to commit to Rangoon would give me a little more time to dig in further north. We're also playing the latest Beta & the China road is closed once Rangoon is taken. And I'm already running a modest supply deficit in China...

I'm open to suggestions here 'cause I'm not really keen on any of the options that I see.

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South China

Mostly forces are maneuvering but a few things have happened.

Near Nanning an IJA regiment has been surrounded. The initial deliberate attack on the 22nd received 1:1 odds. Chinese well rest on the 23rd.

At Canton training bombardments are continuing. One fun little thing: I sent an HQ unit to the NE of Canton, hoping to then send it into Canton & open up a hexside from that direction. Two IJA units arrived in that hex the same day my HQ unit did. Quixote never did a recon bombardment - I assume because his forces were weak (65 AV) and he didn't want to give up that intel. We sat there for about a week until a 290 AV Chinese Corps showed up.

Chinese units investing Nanchang were temporarily surrounded but have now been relieved.

East of Changsha a Chinese shock attack was repulsed. Troops are being rotated.

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North China

I voluntarily abandoned Nanyang after a failed Chinese SA to budge a smaller IJA force. Japanese units are flooding the plain and the Chinese are rotating fresh troops with beat-up troops. In the meantime one Chinese Corps was surrounded and will be destroyed within a day or two.

My troops in training at Hankow were subject to naval bombardment and 3 shock attacks. The first two the IJA came dangerously close to 2:1 despite the 4X terrain. Some reinforcements arrived and here's the result of the 3rd attack:

Ground combat at Hankow (85,50)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 46774 troops, 523 guns, 42 vehicles, Assault Value = 1226

Defending force 24577 troops, 160 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 612

Japanese adjusted assault: 1582

Allied adjusted defense: 1849

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
4883 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 238 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 41 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 24 disabled

Allied ground losses:
722 casualties reported
Squads: 36 destroyed, 62 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

There's one area of concern though I think I can manage it. With Nanyang in Japanese hands 3 IJA tank units are engaged in a flanking movement to cut off my training grounds at Sinyang and/or Hankow. I currently intend to retreat from both but want to do it in an orderly fashion. Sinyang first. I had @ 700 AV of reserves at Ichang which I'm committing to keep the lines of communication open until the withdrawal is complete. However these are my last reserves in the area at the moment. I have more reserves at Changsha but they'd take 2 weeks to arrive.

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Gobi Desert

Don't think I've mentioned this before. For a few weeks my opponent has been infiltrating units through the Gobi desert towards Western China. The one unit I've identified is a Mongolian Cav division.

I had briefly established a roadblock east of Kiuchan with a Chinese brigade but was in danger of being surrounded so that brigade is withdrawing. I don't have a lot of the strength in the area but I can re-shuffle some anti-para garrisons I had around there and should be able to establish blocking forces in 2 3X terrain locations along likely Japanese approach routes. I also should have the IJA supply lines cut for now.

See the map - it's clearer there:



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If your troops can fight him in a hex adjacent to the border and force him to retreat across it, you get some help from the Russians! That would be a game changer!
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If your troops can fight him in a hex adjacent to the border and force him to retreat across it, you get some help from the Russians! That would be a game changer!

Wow - that's an excellent idea!

Thinking out loud here - while I made sure I garrisoned every base around Western China I still don't have a lot of troops in the area. I'm mostly operating defensively. I'd have to bring in 3-4 more units to be sure I block the hexsides that need to be blocked. But those needn't be stong. I should maybe add 1 strong unit to ensure that I can enforce the retreat that I needed. Though I'm pretty sure the IJA is committing only 2nd string forces in this area. And I should have their supply lines blocked off. Could maybe send in 1 or 2 B-17 squadrons from India to Hami and start pummeling the IJA forces on the ground too...

Thanks again for the thought. While she only just heard of it Admiral Bonnie is strongly considering launching Operation Vodka.
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1/23/42

Mostly quiet turn but there at least a couple things that happened that are worthy of note.

Malaya

Another attack against Singapore is repulsed but the aggressors do manage to take down the forts a notch:

Ground combat at Singapore (50,84)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 55661 troops, 679 guns, 212 vehicles, Assault Value = 1649

Defending force 33036 troops, 452 guns, 289 vehicles, Assault Value = 533

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 1365

Allied adjusted defense: 1053

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
4413 casualties reported
Squads: 34 destroyed, 248 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 112 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 72 disabled
Guns lost 37 (5 destroyed, 32 disabled)
Vehicles lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1755 casualties reported
Squads: 23 destroyed, 137 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 105 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 42 disabled
Guns lost 64 (3 destroyed, 61 disabled)
Vehicles lost 65 (25 destroyed, 40 disabled)

China

Chinese forces successfully route the IJA salient NE of Canton. Also the Chinese will now certainly be able to withdraw from Sinyang without harm.

Java

Nothing new to report & no new maps. But here's Admiral Bonnie a few days ago - tired and frustrated after I botched the defense of Java.

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1/24/42

The little admiral has plans this afternoon so this will be the only turn today. Only a few things to note:

SW Pac

I forgot to mention that on the 23rd B-17s based in Townsville raided damage shipping that Quixote had disbanded at Port Moresby:

Morning Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 19

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAK France Maru, Bomb hits 1
CA Ashigara, Bomb hits 3, on fire [:)]
xAK Eiko Maru #2, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAK Siraha Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAKL Kakyu Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Aso Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Port hits 9
Port supply hits 2

So Pac

Some IJN CLs are spotted north of New Caledonia. Another raid? Might be as an IJN sub has recently spotted shipping at Noumea. A full fledged invasion with full KB support? Dunno...

If it is an invasion of New Caledonia it won't be the pushover that Port Moresby was. Better raw AV, better terrain, better forts, a working airfield (at least for now) and some planes to fly from it. It would also be beyond the range of Jap LBA support.

Yorktown recently joined the fleet and everyone has sortied. @4-5 days away at cruise speed.

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China

The withdrawal from Sinyang/Hankow is proceeding according to plan. See the map:

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Morning Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 19

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAK France Maru, Bomb hits 1
CA Ashigara, Bomb hits 3, on fire [:)]
xAK Eiko Maru #2, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAK Siraha Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAKL Kakyu Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Aso Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Port hits 9
Port supply hits 2
You could say your B-17s kicked him in the Aso ...[:D]
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You could say your B-17s kicked him in the Aso ...[:D]

[:D]

Wish I could say I was kicking Quixote in the Aso all over the map though. Java's turning into a nightmare...
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