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RE: If you could design your own computer wargame
I would like to have a game where you start out and make a settlement and go on to have a space empire. Micromanage at first but as your settlement grows, then less micromanagement. If there is combat, then you go to a different game engine for the military movements, then you can either do the battles or the computer can do them. If the wargame goes long enough for another turn in the main game, then you would cut to that game for changes in orders.
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RE: If you could design your own computer wargame
I actualy did it https://manyone88.itch.io/spacewar-9222 , it is the game I want to play, it has crappy graphics though. I stsrted by making a board with lots of hexes so i had a big playing area. but later decided i needed bigger units but I got it working by just putting bigger units on the snall hexes. I liked games like star fleet battles, so I wanted to launch shuttles , fire missiles , i wanted stats and an A.I. at least good enough to give me a game, I wanted a Hotseat so i could play strategy against myself that would be better than any A.I.
but sadly no one has downloaded it or tried it or give any comments except a couple of guys on here. the game was what i thought would be perfect, but i found out its only perfect to me. its sad because i love it.
but sadly no one has downloaded it or tried it or give any comments except a couple of guys on here. the game was what i thought would be perfect, but i found out its only perfect to me. its sad because i love it.
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RE: If you could design your own computer wargame
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What would you do to make the game ground-breaking - or to set it apart from the rest of the designers??
I have for a long time thought war game designs for computers don't utilize the full potential of the computer. But I'm not a programmer so I'm not sure if this is just a perception of mine.
I've got no idea what is possible, but I would have a game (ideally as part of a big picture War in the Med game) where I can actually take the role of a task force commander or captain of an individual ship. I would effectively be on the bridge, seeing what I would be able to see given the conditions, knowing what I know only from recce and intelligence. Ooooh I'm all excited just thinking about it [:)]
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RE: If you could design your own computer wargame
ORIGINAL: mainsworthy
I actualy did it https://manyone88.itch.io/spacewar-9222 , it is the game I want to play, it has crappy graphics though. I stsrted by making a board with lots of hexes so i had a big playing area. but later decided i needed bigger units but I got it working by just putting bigger units on the snall hexes. I liked games like star fleet battles, so I wanted to launch shuttles , fire missiles , i wanted stats and an A.I. at least good enough to give me a game, I wanted a Hotseat so i could play strategy against myself that would be better than any A.I.
but sadly no one has downloaded it or tried it or give any comments except a couple of guys on here. the game was what i thought would be perfect, but i found out its only perfect to me. its sad because i love it.
Facebook has a starfleet battles fan page.
I did download it but I have other projects going on right now but I will try it soon.
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RE: If you could design your own computer wargame
I think SFB when I downloaded it, was enforced rules for online play or hotseat , NO A.I. but its still good fun.
RE: If you could design your own computer wargame
What software are you using to develop your games?
RE: If you could design your own computer wargame
I have longed for a Cuban Missile Crisis game. Where you have to plan photo recon missions against Cuban/Soviet opposition. Then conduct air strikes against missile sites, EW missions, Air to Air missions, all the while trying not to lead to Nuclear War. Think War Over Vietnam by Tiller but turn based.
That’s my dream game.
That’s my dream game.
RE: If you could design your own computer wargame
I would program a fantasy game that uses "Dwarf Fortress" to create the World, and Skyrim (with enhanced crafting rules) to play in it. It would be mind-boggling.
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RE: If you could design your own computer wargame
Whole Eastern front, 3.5 days, wego, division level.
Focus on operational warfare with movement path plotting for units+possibility for general behaviour advice (e.g. sit still until enemy comes within two hexagons, if so move towards it and attack). This should mirror the influence/Oda loops of corps/army commanders and you as the player represent the entirety of corps/army/army group command.
Detailed logistical system (railway, depot, trucks, horses, living off land).
Level of detail constant among all game aspects. Designed in a way that your time is best spent on planning operations and higher level logistics, not micromanaging army organisation aspects or huge amounts of ant units.
(No week long turns and too simple binary ZOC rules on the one hand, but recon aircraft camera settings on the other hand)
Focus on human vs human play, but with Ai that uses new technologies like machine learning.
No clinging to boardgame thinking, but making use of computing power for continous rules, e.g. ZOC being dependent on factors like unit mobility/supply/ranged weapoms
Other idea: Victoria 3 as announced so far, but with detailed war mechanics in Ww1 setting for close interaction between population, war economy and military aspects.
Focus on operational warfare with movement path plotting for units+possibility for general behaviour advice (e.g. sit still until enemy comes within two hexagons, if so move towards it and attack). This should mirror the influence/Oda loops of corps/army commanders and you as the player represent the entirety of corps/army/army group command.
Detailed logistical system (railway, depot, trucks, horses, living off land).
Level of detail constant among all game aspects. Designed in a way that your time is best spent on planning operations and higher level logistics, not micromanaging army organisation aspects or huge amounts of ant units.
(No week long turns and too simple binary ZOC rules on the one hand, but recon aircraft camera settings on the other hand)
Focus on human vs human play, but with Ai that uses new technologies like machine learning.
No clinging to boardgame thinking, but making use of computing power for continous rules, e.g. ZOC being dependent on factors like unit mobility/supply/ranged weapoms
Other idea: Victoria 3 as announced so far, but with detailed war mechanics in Ww1 setting for close interaction between population, war economy and military aspects.
The Library of Gary Grigsby's War in the East resources.
Do you want total war? Guide for WitE players
WitE2&RtW3 tester
Do you want total war? Guide for WitE players
WitE2&RtW3 tester
RE: If you could design your own computer wargame
Groundbreaking - probably a tactical game where one unit detecting the enemy doesn't mean an entire side has detected the enemy, but which still allows units to communicate to a less than perfect extent.
Or maybe a FPS where the AI can work in squads.
Or maybe a FPS where the AI can work in squads.
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RE: If you could design your own computer wargame
I am a designer/programmer on a team making games and my question to you is, what is using the full potential of today's computers mean to you? Right now there are so many shapes and sizes of monitors, tons of mice, keyboards, and controllers, an endless number of drivers and updates that can cause programmers no end of issues trying to make a game everyone can play and enjoy.
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RE: If you could design your own computer wargame
In case this is addressed to me: I have the impression that many wargames still limit themselves to boardgame thinking. My favourite example is the ZOC in War in the East: You either have ZOC on a hexagon when an enemy unit is nearby, or you haven't if it is not. It does not matter if the unit is a 500men depleted unfed security regiment, or a 18k men elite Panzergrenadier division. For a boardgame you need a simple rule, but a computer can quickly calculate the appropriate ZOC based on supplies, fatigue, unit strength and mobility.ORIGINAL: CapnDarwin
I am a designer/programmer on a team making games and my question to you is, what is using the full potential of today's computers mean to you? Right now there are so many shapes and sizes of monitors, tons of mice, keyboards, and controllers, an endless number of drivers and updates that can cause programmers no end of issues trying to make a game everyone can play and enjoy.
Other possibilities are using non-plain maps, but having the theatre mapped on a sphere to avoid distortions. Continous instead of discrete (hexagons, provinces) maps are a possibility too.
The WEGO aspect could be used more as well. Computers allow the time invervall to be sliced up into many small parts that can be simulated one after another to create a more continous experience, not like "I move for a week while you stand still, then we reverse roles"
The Library of Gary Grigsby's War in the East resources.
Do you want total war? Guide for WitE players
WitE2&RtW3 tester
Do you want total war? Guide for WitE players
WitE2&RtW3 tester
RE: If you could design your own computer wargame
Haven't the Combat Mission games had this for ages (all CMx2 games)?ORIGINAL: Mobeer
Groundbreaking - probably a tactical game where one unit detecting the enemy doesn't mean an entire side has detected the enemy, but which still allows units to communicate to a less than perfect extent.
RE: If you could design your own computer wargame
I've posted a couple of times here with two or three designs when similar questions are asked.
OK found it
Four games.
A detailed indepth tactical squad based wargame that finally has all the features everyone wants straight off the bat. WEGO or some other form is fine though WEGO prefer. RPG elements. Squads with 1 man casualties like Squad Battles. Detailed comms. Tailor made urban combat mechanics. Multi level buildings, Sewers. Obstacles and IP's. SOP's. Off map arty. Air support. Para drops. Leader stats. Higher Command interaction.
A detailed man vs man scale tactical wargame. Indepth RPG features. Plus all the game above wants.
Detailed WW1 air combat tactical game. Use updated mechanics used in Achtung SPitfire and Flight Commander 2 so the actual pixel pilot skills effecting how well he performs in battle and if he can pull of the desired move you set. Darkwind on steam has a great car combat mechanic that if a z axis was added would be superb for this type of game. Squadron management. RPG features so you become attached to your pilots. Manage high command requests for next day objectives. A and B flight is a scout and C flight two seater recon. Deal with recon, arty spotting, bombing , balloon busting and trench strafing. The better your squadron performs the more skill points you can invest in air crew and the mess or trips to town to help nerves and fatigue etc.
Next a WW1 company trench wargame. Think Sims\Tower Defence\RimWorld\RPG\Prison Architect\Dwarf Fortress. You design your trench system improving over time and you manage your men and officers dealing with the weather, patrols, trench design and building, dug out design, orders from high command, giving leave, putting a man in for medal, defending German raids and patrols, intel gathering, the big push, aftermath of big pushes, different units opposite means sometimes live and let live and other times constant alert needed. If you get through the War maybe three or four have survived through it all and are still with you. Many dead and wounded, others promoted and transferred (you are informed of their deaths or if they win awards or say if join RFC have become an Ace etc to add immersion). You'll be able to see a list of all the men who have passed through your ranks and what happened to them this being updated constantly and be very interesting to read end of war. This game would be full of narrative and immersion. Create clever designed redoubts and see how well they stand upto attack etc. Position your MG's as more arrive over time. Forward liaison officers. Downed Pilots. Fix drainage issues. Fix hygiene issues. Periods in and out of the line. Out of the line arrange baths, football matches and lots of training if possible plus no doubt assimilate drafts. Lots of possibilities. Learn new training methods. New Arty methods men need training about. Mine and underground warfare.
OK found it
Four games.
A detailed indepth tactical squad based wargame that finally has all the features everyone wants straight off the bat. WEGO or some other form is fine though WEGO prefer. RPG elements. Squads with 1 man casualties like Squad Battles. Detailed comms. Tailor made urban combat mechanics. Multi level buildings, Sewers. Obstacles and IP's. SOP's. Off map arty. Air support. Para drops. Leader stats. Higher Command interaction.
A detailed man vs man scale tactical wargame. Indepth RPG features. Plus all the game above wants.
Detailed WW1 air combat tactical game. Use updated mechanics used in Achtung SPitfire and Flight Commander 2 so the actual pixel pilot skills effecting how well he performs in battle and if he can pull of the desired move you set. Darkwind on steam has a great car combat mechanic that if a z axis was added would be superb for this type of game. Squadron management. RPG features so you become attached to your pilots. Manage high command requests for next day objectives. A and B flight is a scout and C flight two seater recon. Deal with recon, arty spotting, bombing , balloon busting and trench strafing. The better your squadron performs the more skill points you can invest in air crew and the mess or trips to town to help nerves and fatigue etc.
Next a WW1 company trench wargame. Think Sims\Tower Defence\RimWorld\RPG\Prison Architect\Dwarf Fortress. You design your trench system improving over time and you manage your men and officers dealing with the weather, patrols, trench design and building, dug out design, orders from high command, giving leave, putting a man in for medal, defending German raids and patrols, intel gathering, the big push, aftermath of big pushes, different units opposite means sometimes live and let live and other times constant alert needed. If you get through the War maybe three or four have survived through it all and are still with you. Many dead and wounded, others promoted and transferred (you are informed of their deaths or if they win awards or say if join RFC have become an Ace etc to add immersion). You'll be able to see a list of all the men who have passed through your ranks and what happened to them this being updated constantly and be very interesting to read end of war. This game would be full of narrative and immersion. Create clever designed redoubts and see how well they stand upto attack etc. Position your MG's as more arrive over time. Forward liaison officers. Downed Pilots. Fix drainage issues. Fix hygiene issues. Periods in and out of the line. Out of the line arrange baths, football matches and lots of training if possible plus no doubt assimilate drafts. Lots of possibilities. Learn new training methods. New Arty methods men need training about. Mine and underground warfare.
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RE: If you could design your own computer wargame
If I had the slightest clue how to make a wargame at all.......
I'd likely clone Steel Panthers, without the old software hassles. I'd likely call it Son of Steel Panthers (because Daughter of Steel Panthers sounds too forced).
It would look like someone had packaged Steel Panthers Enhanced, with Steel Panthers MBT and Steel Panthers Brigade Combat all in one program. You'd just pick which one to run at the start menu.
It would have a special program that understood how to add user-created content without the usual gymnastics. It would of course have the Mega Campaigns able to be added. But that's a separate purchase.
It would be made able to understand hardware and OS developments correctly. No weird hardware issues.
Otherwise, it would look just like Steel Panthers.
No weird modern notions I have never wanted to begin with.
No real time, no 3d, no WEGO.
If you want that, there is no shortage of other games that have it.
In a happier world, I'd own Hasborg, just long enough to sell off the rights to everything Avalon Hill to my own private self. Whereupon I'd sell off Hasborg as I'd no longer want it.
I'd then re release my Avalon Hill titles.
And I'd make faithful computer adaptions.
The trick is I'd be rich enough that making a profit on these items wouldn't matter.
I'd put them on sale for the benefit of the hobby.
And reprint them every 5-10 years.
I'd likely clone Steel Panthers, without the old software hassles. I'd likely call it Son of Steel Panthers (because Daughter of Steel Panthers sounds too forced).
It would look like someone had packaged Steel Panthers Enhanced, with Steel Panthers MBT and Steel Panthers Brigade Combat all in one program. You'd just pick which one to run at the start menu.
It would have a special program that understood how to add user-created content without the usual gymnastics. It would of course have the Mega Campaigns able to be added. But that's a separate purchase.
It would be made able to understand hardware and OS developments correctly. No weird hardware issues.
Otherwise, it would look just like Steel Panthers.
No weird modern notions I have never wanted to begin with.
No real time, no 3d, no WEGO.
If you want that, there is no shortage of other games that have it.
In a happier world, I'd own Hasborg, just long enough to sell off the rights to everything Avalon Hill to my own private self. Whereupon I'd sell off Hasborg as I'd no longer want it.
I'd then re release my Avalon Hill titles.
And I'd make faithful computer adaptions.
The trick is I'd be rich enough that making a profit on these items wouldn't matter.
I'd put them on sale for the benefit of the hobby.
And reprint them every 5-10 years.
Wargame, 05% of the time.
Play with Barbies 05% of the time.
Play with Legos 10% of the time.
Build models 20% of the time
Shopping 60% of the time.
Exlains why I buy em more than I play em.
Play with Barbies 05% of the time.
Play with Legos 10% of the time.
Build models 20% of the time
Shopping 60% of the time.
Exlains why I buy em more than I play em.