Eric Young's Squad Assault: West Front

U2 · Post by U2 » Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:05 pm

Originally posted by Paul Vebber

Infantry combat in particular "works for me" a lot better than in the turn based alternative...
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This is what I wanted to hear. The infantry action is the key for real time games like these. Worked in CC2 and I have never seen it since:( High hopes for this one though:)

BrubakerII · Post by **BrubakerII** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:10 pm

Originally posted by Igotmilk™
Hey Brubaker!

I don't get it

You do have nice emoticons though. I signed up for some but ended up with spam

Please explain the joke to me I am getting upset. I hate being laughed at. It is enough my family stop whispering and start smirking when I enter the room.

Brubaker

BrubakerII · Post by **BrubakerII** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:19 pm

Originally posted by Les the Sarge 9-1
I don't need a demo of Combat Leader. I have already seen the demo of Matrix Games.

This is a fair comment I guess but a little narrowminded, isn't it? I wonder if all those Daikatana purchaser's that followed *** over from ID feel the same today? Or the Sid Meier fans that bought Simgolf. The industry is littered with gamer designers gone bad. (Hey they would make a nifty half hour show title.)

This has nothing to do with Matrix but since you used it as an example I will as well. I agree Matrix has an excellent rep producing games so far. But how does that guarantee that an SSG, Freedom Games, etc will be of the same standard? What if something goes wrong? What if David sinks so much money into a project that when it gets to 95% done and he hates it, commercially he is committed to releasing it anyway?

***In no way does the example above relate to any real product by Matrix I am simply using it as an example***

I love my Suzuki motorbike and will likely buyy another when the time comes but does that mean the next one will be a quality product? Shouldn't I compare it against other makes and 'test' it first?

Brubaker

PS: I am not looking to argue

but surely commonsense should prevail here?

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 4:26 pm

It always comes down to what you feel of people's opinions too.

I have seen many games, played many games, and not all of my opinions are based entirely on first hand experience with owning the game.

I do base a great deal of my purchasing though, on the game as represented on the forum communities out there.

If I said game X absolutely sucked, and you liked my views in general, then that would be your way of knowing you might want to steer clear of it.

Sort of like movie reviewers. I have passed on movies before simply because a friend said to do so. I know what they like and why. And if they have the same views as me, then it merits consideration.

I have only ever seen one demo that was enough to sell me on the game. I played the Strategic Command demo for 5 minutes. I didn't need more than 5 minutes. I was sold in 5 minutes.

I have seen Airborne Assault. I suggest a person get it. And that is the review of a person who normally doesn't like real time mode games. So if it impressed a person that doesn't like real time games, you know it is head and shoulders above most real time games. Because pleasing me won't be an easy thing.

Matrix Games is rapidly becoming bigger than just a Steel Panthers portal in a big way. Soon they will have games from many sources. Some I might not like even potentially.
When the day comes that Matrix Games becomes that big, you will just have to fall back on the forums to decide if you like a game or not I suppose.

It works for me.

Igotmilk™ · Post by **Igotmilk™** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 7:34 pm

Originally posted by BrubakerII
I don't get it

No joke, just been a while. I was just saying "Hi" without putting on the kid's gloves like you are a dainty little flower. Male bonding and the rest. Did not mean to make fun of you.

BrubakerII · Post by **BrubakerII** » Sat Jul 26, 2003 4:33 am

Originally posted by Igotmilk™
No joke, just been a while.

I am not sure if the fact I try and psycho-analyse your remarks every time you speak is a reflection of my mentality or yours :p

Good to see you around though Milk. You would think the both of us would have found something better to do by now wouldn't you. :rolleyes:

Brubaker

BrubakerII · Post by **BrubakerII** » Sat Jul 26, 2003 4:43 am

I certainly agree about other people's opinions. I tend to base my initial interest from magazines/internet and then look for commentary on forums by people I know have similar likes and dislikes. And I do actually agree in the first instance that respect from a company can drive (for me) a positive expectation for a product, I just still think each item needs evaluating on its own merits. A demo can go a long way to doing that. Of course once a product is actually released forum commentary is invaluable.

I work in pharmeceutical marketing at the moment (I sweep the floors

) and time and time again I see a well respected big name product get 'split' into lets say 5 different ones - all pretending to enhance the original. The truth is it is a greedy marketing technique to try and capitilise on that 'brand loyalty' you are speaking of and im my opinion is preying on the unwary consumer. Ironically it often ends up trying to divide the same consumer resource pie into more slices. Ah commercialism, brand loyalty and marketing - you gotta love it

Brubaker

PS: (permission to go back to topic now)

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Sat Jul 26, 2003 1:53 pm

Regarding bad decisions Brubaker. I guess that is how a "good" company often becomes a "bad" company.

Good companies give you a solid product each and every time. They never resort to milking a product just for some money.
Occasionally a company will produce a good product, but that is no reason to assume automatically they are a good company.

I am generally rough on a bad product, but I am more or less unmerciful on a bad company. When a business has knowingly given me a crummy product, they can only expect me to be quite nasty back.

It is easy to earn customer loyalty, and easy to retain it. But just as easy to ruin it too. Once lost though, customer loyalty rarely ever returns.

Getting to on topic. 3d real time is fairly far off the beaten track for me. But I have seen a lot of the efforts being put into EYSA from an inside perspective.

While it might not be my cup of tea even on release day, I have seen that Matrix has applied a full measure of effort to make it please it's target audience.
I think the 3d real time crowd will like it. But I say that expecting to be allowed to say it as a hostile witness

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Eric Young's Squad Assault: West Front

@ Les