Decisive Campaigns: Barbarossa or GG war in the East?

VR designs has been reinforced with designer Cameron Harris and the result is a revolutionary new operational war game 'Barbarossa' that plays like none other. It blends an advanced counter pushing engine with deep narrative, people management and in-depth semi-randomized decision systems.

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RE: Decisive Campaigns: Barbarossa or GG war in the East?

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Sky,

How do you play only AGS? If you have it on a campaign game dont you still need to manage the other two theaters?

Road to Kiev scenario...

I think WITE has a much more realistic combat engine. The DC engine needs work and I believe that there are a number of issues that I addressed elsewhere. Blitzkrieg and combined arms is much better simulated in WITE. But the strategic level decisions of DC makes it intriguing.
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Sky,

How do you play only AGS? If you have it on a campaign game dont you still need to manage the other two theaters?

Sure, if you play the campaign game. You can play as an Army Group or as the entire German/Soviet Army. If you play as the Soviets, it becomes interesting because you actually build the units to plug the gaps. So you have a lot of flexibility not normally available.
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RE: Decisive Campaigns: Barbarossa or GG war in the East?

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Perhaps this podcast here is useful as an additional decision support:
-> https://www.idlethumbs.net/3ma/episodes ... barbarossa
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This is a point that must be highlighted: I have had wonderful times playing smaller scenarios in WITE. In DCB you have no choice but to play the Grand Campaign.

This is not entirely true. You do have choices. Since the game comes with the (still in Beta version) DC:CP. The CP or Community Project will over time allow players to play many small games, or even (yes!) make their own.

Currently only 2 scenarios exist. But given time that amount could grow enormously.
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Definitely DC:B. War in the East requires more micromanagement but that doesn't make it deeper. DCB adds so many Elements missing in the form of card decisions requiring politics points as well as decisions that are made via paperwork on your desk. Makes you feel like a general instead of a guy moving chits
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WitE is monotonic counter pushing, DCB is an experience.
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WitE is monotonic counter pushing, DCB is an experience.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.

I bought DC;B during the Happy Easter sale and it hasn't worked for me thus far, the political system
I'm just not a fan. I prefer the artwork, realistic detail and counters of WITE. Hopefully , my feelings
change as I get more familiar.
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RE: Decisive Campaigns: Barbarossa or GG war in the East?

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... or... simply is the wrong question.

Decisive Campaigns: Barbarossa and Gary Grigsby War in the East fighting both while World War II and you are dealing with the Eastern Front.
Then there are already all similarities between the two games.

Maybe you can compare Decisive Campaigns: Case Blue with Gary Grigsby War in the East, but not Decisive Campaigns: Barbarossa.
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To most people this may not matter, but I spent my first two months with WitE's editor. Currently, DC:B does not have Vic's trademark editor, which is also top notch.

I would go with DC:B and consider GG's WitW, which is more "polished," but not East Front of course.
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To most people this may not matter, but I spent my first two months with WitE's editor. Currently, DC:B does not have Vic's trademark editor, which is also top notch.

I would go with DC:B and consider GG's WitW, which is more "polished," but not East Front of course.

That is actually false info. It does have an editor, you just need to unlock it.
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