Moderators: wdolson, MOD_War-in-the-Pacific-Admirals-Edition
ORIGINAL: n01487477
May 20, 1942 is what I see ...
and Dec 1, 42 for Musashi
ORIGINAL: bklooste
So you get to pay 360 days of naval points for some very expensive ships .. which they did not pay historically ... mmmm no wonder you cant even build the historical ships in the first 6 months of 42.
ORIGINAL: Djordje
ORIGINAL: bklooste
So you get to pay 360 days of naval points for some very expensive ships .. which they did not pay historically ... mmmm no wonder you cant even build the historical ships in the first 6 months of 42.
Naval construction points were adjusted so Japan can produce ships on the dates they have been produced historically. You don't lose anything. You get 2 battleships experienced in combat at the date when they were ready historically, without risk for them to be sunk during training. In fact I think AFBs should be asking for those ships to arrive earlier.
Great point, Bradley7735.ORIGINAL: Bradley7735
Yes, but you get 60ish/60ish exp ships without having to do a training cruise. All Japanese warships from day one to the end of the war start with 60-75 day exp and 60-70 night exp. The allies have to wait until 43 to get ships of that caliber. All the starting ships and all the ships coming in in 42 have 50ish day and 30ish night exp. To get their night exp up to Japanese levels (despite lessons learned from other ships in the fleet and ship crew transfers), they have to spend approx 210 days at sea. (7 days per night xp gain X 30 point differential)
So, Yamato is ready to fight on day one, in May and South Dakota, Washington and North Carolina are bumbling idiots until mid 43.
If I were playing the Japanese, I don't know if I'd rather have the ship early and use fuel for a training cruise (even though she'd start fully trained), or have the ship in May and use HI to train her. It's probably cheaper in the long run to use fuel, and she'd technically be vulnerable during the training cruises, like her allied counterparts loitering near SF.
For those of you who are going to tell me I'm an idiot and that Japanese ships were heavily trained pre war, my arguement is for post 12/41 construction ships. There's absolutely no reason that Yamato has 25% more day exp and double the night exp of any new construction US BB's. (this is irrelevant starting 1/1/43, as all US ships start with the same exp as Japanese ships)
ORIGINAL: Terminus
Waaah... Waaah... Waaah...
You don't like it, use the editor.
ORIGINAL: Terminus
Going by her TROM, I think a reasonable compromise would be for Yamato to enter the game on 10 Feb 1942, after her final fitting out.
ORIGINAL: Bradley7735
Yes, but you get 60ish/60ish exp ships without having to do a training cruise. All Japanese warships from day one to the end of the war start with 60-75 day exp and 60-70 night exp. The allies have to wait until 43 to get ships of that caliber. All the starting ships and all the ships coming in in 42 have 50ish day and 30ish night exp. To get their night exp up to Japanese levels (despite lessons learned from other ships in the fleet and ship crew transfers), they have to spend approx 210 days at sea. (7 days per night xp gain X 30 point differential)
So, Yamato is ready to fight on day one, in May and South Dakota, Washington and North Carolina are bumbling idiots until mid 43.
If I were playing the Japanese, I don't know if I'd rather have the ship early and use fuel for a training cruise (even though she'd start fully trained), or have the ship in May and use HI to train her. It's probably cheaper in the long run to use fuel, and she'd technically be vulnerable during the training cruises, like her allied counterparts loitering near SF.
For those of you who are going to tell me I'm an idiot and that Japanese ships were heavily trained pre war, my arguement is for post 12/41 construction ships. There's absolutely no reason that Yamato has 25% more day exp and double the night exp of any new construction US BB's. (this is irrelevant starting 1/1/43, as all US ships start with the same exp as Japanese ships)
ORIGINAL: bklooste
ORIGINAL: Bradley7735
Yes, but you get 60ish/60ish exp ships without having to do a training cruise. All Japanese warships from day one to the end of the war start with 60-75 day exp and 60-70 night exp. The allies have to wait until 43 to get ships of that caliber. All the starting ships and all the ships coming in in 42 have 50ish day and 30ish night exp. To get their night exp up to Japanese levels (despite lessons learned from other ships in the fleet and ship crew transfers), they have to spend approx 210 days at sea. (7 days per night xp gain X 30 point differential)
So, Yamato is ready to fight on day one, in May and South Dakota, Washington and North Carolina are bumbling idiots until mid 43.
If I were playing the Japanese, I don't know if I'd rather have the ship early and use fuel for a training cruise (even though she'd start fully trained), or have the ship in May and use HI to train her. It's probably cheaper in the long run to use fuel, and she'd technically be vulnerable during the training cruises, like her allied counterparts loitering near SF.
For those of you who are going to tell me I'm an idiot and that Japanese ships were heavily trained pre war, my arguement is for post 12/41 construction ships. There's absolutely no reason that Yamato has 25% more day exp and double the night exp of any new construction US BB's. (this is irrelevant starting 1/1/43, as all US ships start with the same exp as Japanese ships)
I agree with you but 2 wrongs dont make a right... some points
1) The Naval point loss is massive
Also the Naval points were NOT adjusted Historically where did that one come from .. Historically they were building all 4 Yamatos including Number 4 ( if you take Yamato in the yard Shinano and 111 were laid down in May 40) the Taiho , Chûyô etc this is not possible in game.
2) In the 6 months ( she was commisioned in late 41) she mainly sailed around training she spent some time training and a month in the docks to improve the poor accuracy of her guns. That being said if she was needed she would have sailed the players dont have this option. Having some low accuracy devices and an upgrade is a much better way to model it.
3) Fix the training issue. However people prob use the training as a tool to give good 41 historical performance . Without it you will prob find in most encounters the Japanese will get shot to pieces in 41.
ORIGINAL: bklooste
Honestly i couldnt care less if the Yamato came on December or May as she is not needed before then what i care about is the lack of Naval points. Some (Most?) players accelerate Yamato which makes it worse. Basically i should be able to build everything they built historically and if i stop building Shinano I should be able to use those points. Try it yourself stop Shinano dont accelerate anything and seed how many points you have.
The editor is fine but its kind of hard to go into a PBEM and convince the other party to edit a few things.
