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MaxMustermann86
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Air losses air phase turn 1

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Hey i am new in this game and have some problems with the air war.

A guy on a YT video destroyed 4000 soviet planes within turn 1 (air phase) and lost only 80 plans. How is this possible?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11X-mbp6NjU

He got almost no losses by air combat. I lost almost 100 planes but i destroyed only 2000
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https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/view ... 3&start=80

Here is a decent guide but it's fairly outdated. A few patches ago they changed default interception rates so Axis losses are a bit higher now.
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Veterin wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 6:07 am https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/view ... 3&start=80

Here is a decent guide but it's fairly outdated. A few patches ago they changed default interception rates so Axis losses are a bit higher now.
Thank you very much!
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Unfortunately the losses are way to high with this guide. Sending Bombers without Escort will really hurt. Guess it is because of new patches etc.
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I did everything as mentioned in the guide so i set Rec AC(Est) to 40(10) but the AI seems to send Bombers without Jagdschutz (FighterEscorts) for some of the strikes. Is this a bug? Maybe there are to many strikes and so the AI do not have engough figther? Is there a option to forbid the AI to send Bombers without fighters?
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MaxMustermann86 wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:40 pm Is there a option to forbid the AI to send Bombers without fighters?
yes, you can set a minimum number of escorts per Air Directive. See section 17.4.1 of the manual for more details, i.e. Min AC (esc) setting.

Also if you click on the boxes "Show Air Groups" and "No Fly Info" at the bottom of the AD, you can see if there are fighters available to fly.

Note that on turn 1 only, you can also force your 109s to carry drop tanks which extends their range.
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Joch1955 wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 11:24 am
MaxMustermann86 wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:40 pm Is there a option to forbid the AI to send Bombers without fighters?
yes, you can set a minimum number of escorts per Air Directive. See section 17.4.1 of the manual for more details, i.e. Min AC (esc) setting.

Also if you click on the boxes "Show Air Groups" and "No Fly Info" at the bottom of the AD, you can see if there are fighters available to fly.

Note that on turn 1 only, you can also force your 109s to carry drop tanks which extends their range.
Also buried in 17.4.1 is a section re:partial escorting
Part ESC: Toggle link to yes or no partial escorts. If set
to yes, than escorts that cannot fly all the way to the target
are counted as escorts for meeting the minimum and
requested number of escorts for the strike. If set to no,
then only escorts that can fly to the target will count for
these purposes.
I generally set this to "no" to prevent partial escorting and I assume this will prevent the bombing mission if there isn't a full escort size that you've designated to fly all the way to the target. (More experienced players can correct this if I'm assuming incorrectly)
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Thank you very much guys! It seems that since the last patch there are way more air losses for bombing missions. May best result: 2800 destroyed soviet planse with only 80 losses (turn 1 air strike). Is there a benchmark since the last patch? Ist that a good result? I only flew missions with escorts because bombers without escorts are an easy prey now (it seems).
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