First PBM campaign.
They now reported for 3rd time either Yorktown and/or Enterprise sunk, however it was only 1 torpedo hit (by Kates). Also some small cal gun hits later on, when surface fleet caught Allied CV fleet. But they disengaged without a sunk ship it seems...
Also reported for example was 2 x CA sunk, now I get both still in service. Seems I did not sink anything bigger than a DD so far in this game (is it possible in PBM the reports are even worse then vs. the AI?). 2 of my CVs are damaged and 3 of my BBs too I hope the Allied will also get reports they are sunk [8|]?
Also why can the ship AA not even shoot down dive bombers? I know that IJ Flak was bad, but that was a wave of over 100 DBs or so. LR CAP did not work so no fighters, 3 BBs damaged, almost sunk (still floating, seems they are quite though against the bombs).
I checked and not A SINGLE ALLIED DB was shot down by my AA (these were 2 attacks on the same day)...I put out a huge fleet maxed out at 25 ships they could not down a single plane [>:] I also assigned the best admiral I could find cause I wanted to hunt Allied CVs (reported probably falsely as damaged or sunk, so I misscalculed the enemy plane numbers for sure) with surface fleet. I had better results vs. AI in the game before with NO admirals at all, but the best capt was commander (from the flag ship)...mh. So one can save the PP costs for admirals? I remember my Japanese ships in the AI game would once in a while shoot down dive bombers with AA, but without admirals...in this PBM now not even one plane shot down [:@]
My zeros would not engage in earnest unescorted CV strike, 2 of my CVs out of action, so I needed to send surface ships to perhaps get some of the enemy CVs. I believe you need to put another zero unit on IJ CVs the one on board is too weak vs. huge enemy strikes....
Fed up with false reports by Japanese pilots...who is too?
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RE: Fed up with false reports by Japanese pilots...who is too?
As for AA, you have to max out the heavy DP guns in your TFs. You will not shoot down too many DBs, but you will disrupt their targeting to a point that not single bomb will hit your CVs.
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RE: Fed up with false reports by Japanese pilots...who is too?
This must be early war? IJN flak is abysmal early war, particularly if you are not using the unofficial database updates by Andy or DBB.
A ship hit by torpedoes is often reported as sunk when it is not. Learn to read the damage messages during the animation, plus the information from the combat report text, and you will be able to get a very good read on which ships are sunk and which aren't.
Another telltale sign (often, anyway) is CV-type planes destroyed on the ground, especially in numbers that imply a CV or three went under.
A ship hit by torpedoes is often reported as sunk when it is not. Learn to read the damage messages during the animation, plus the information from the combat report text, and you will be able to get a very good read on which ships are sunk and which aren't.
Another telltale sign (often, anyway) is CV-type planes destroyed on the ground, especially in numbers that imply a CV or three went under.
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RE: Fed up with false reports by Japanese pilots...who is too?
Wars begin by thinking they are going to separate the men from the boys. But once a war begins, it discovers it can't find any men and must instead separate the boys from the boys. Now wars don't go to university to prepare to do their jobs. They don't go to boot camp to learn their trade. They just all of a sudden appear and don't have any idea what they're doing. But wars aren't stupid, just inexperienced, and give them some time and they get better at what they do. Have some patience.
RE: Fed up with false reports by Japanese pilots...who is too?
Hi, it is early March 42, I knew that sunk reports are wrong - I had played vs. AI before. But it seems worse in PBM ? I also know to look after CV plane losses there were none. However is it possible they diverted all to the cities ? This battle was near Townsville.....
Seems my AA does not even disrupt thier aim:
orning Air attack on TF, near Townsville at 95,144
Weather in hex: Light cloud
Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes
Allied aircraft
SBD-2 Dauntless x 36
SBD-3 Dauntless x 54
Allied aircraft losses
SBD-2 Dauntless: 2 damaged
SBD-3 Dauntless: 10 damaged
Japanese Ships
BB Mutsu, Bomb hits 7, on fire
BB Yamashiro, Bomb hits 7, on fire
BB Hiei, Bomb hits 5, on fire
BB Ise, Bomb hits 8, on fire
CA Kako
BB Hyuga, Bomb hits 13, heavy fires
DD Hatsuharu, Bomb hits 1, on fire
Aircraft Attacking:
12 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
16 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
14 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
14 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
8 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
10 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
2 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
2 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BB Yamashiro
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BB Hyuga
A 2nd Allied attack also scored more than 10 hits or so in the afternoon. [:(]
The CV battle before was a draw, but I lost ca. 80 bombers because the Allies had all CV in one fleet also the British ones. I thought in 42 they get a malus for making so huge CV fleets ? There were over 100 fighter only some of my planes got through, no bomb hit, but Kate pilots said, 2 or 3 torpedo hit and later 2 CVs would show as sunk. After a night surface batte in which we hit some CVs again (but I believe only 1 main gun hit, they would hit with 25mm on their carriers tho [:D]) Mind you this was the best admiral I could find for the battle fleet. 2 of my CV were hit also by 3 or 4 bombs soI had to break off the CV battle and send the SF fleet in. But I had not much bombers left on the carriers anyway [:D]
I forgot to say that they also send ca. 40 B17s on naval attack, only 1 hit but also not a single 4E was downed by ship FLAK, which is more understandable the fly high. But DBs must dive and come into range, so I thought 10 or so at least shot down, but not a single one (only 3 or 4 OP losses on their side AT ALL)
Seems my AA does not even disrupt thier aim:
orning Air attack on TF, near Townsville at 95,144
Weather in hex: Light cloud
Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes
Allied aircraft
SBD-2 Dauntless x 36
SBD-3 Dauntless x 54
Allied aircraft losses
SBD-2 Dauntless: 2 damaged
SBD-3 Dauntless: 10 damaged
Japanese Ships
BB Mutsu, Bomb hits 7, on fire
BB Yamashiro, Bomb hits 7, on fire
BB Hiei, Bomb hits 5, on fire
BB Ise, Bomb hits 8, on fire
CA Kako
BB Hyuga, Bomb hits 13, heavy fires
DD Hatsuharu, Bomb hits 1, on fire
Aircraft Attacking:
12 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
16 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
14 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
14 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
8 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
10 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
2 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
2 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BB Yamashiro
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BB Hyuga
A 2nd Allied attack also scored more than 10 hits or so in the afternoon. [:(]
The CV battle before was a draw, but I lost ca. 80 bombers because the Allies had all CV in one fleet also the British ones. I thought in 42 they get a malus for making so huge CV fleets ? There were over 100 fighter only some of my planes got through, no bomb hit, but Kate pilots said, 2 or 3 torpedo hit and later 2 CVs would show as sunk. After a night surface batte in which we hit some CVs again (but I believe only 1 main gun hit, they would hit with 25mm on their carriers tho [:D]) Mind you this was the best admiral I could find for the battle fleet. 2 of my CV were hit also by 3 or 4 bombs soI had to break off the CV battle and send the SF fleet in. But I had not much bombers left on the carriers anyway [:D]
I forgot to say that they also send ca. 40 B17s on naval attack, only 1 hit but also not a single 4E was downed by ship FLAK, which is more understandable the fly high. But DBs must dive and come into range, so I thought 10 or so at least shot down, but not a single one (only 3 or 4 OP losses on their side AT ALL)
RE: Fed up with false reports by Japanese pilots...who is too?
Wow, Pearl Harbor in reverse. So many BBs in one TF and no Jap CAP? You were truly unlucky.
RE: Fed up with false reports by Japanese pilots...who is too?
I believe I maxed the fleet (25?), CVs had to retire, I put up LR cap from PM (I captured it 2 weeks before), but seems if the target fleet outranges the LR CAP than it is cancelled. Because when I checked the target fleet indicator was gone. These were 2 Zero units with 14 range, so the fleet must have chased the Allied CV to 15 hexes from PM... so no CAP at all. But could not reach the enemy CV fleet instead they send all the dive bombers (i calculated that I shot down 50-60 of their bombers and some CVs were at least damaged and 1-2 sunk, so that their strike would not be strong, I should not calculate in the future [:D])
- It would be better the LR CAP keeps the target fleet and sends fighters again as soon it comes in range again
Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Townsville at 95,144
Weather in hex: Light cloud
Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes
Allied aircraft
SBD-2 Dauntless x 36
SBD-3 Dauntless x 67
Allied aircraft losses
SBD-2 Dauntless: 1 damaged
SBD-3 Dauntless: 13 damaged
Japanese Ships
BB Hiei, Bomb hits 5, on fire
BB Yamashiro, Bomb hits 11, on fire
CA Aoba, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
BB Hyuga, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
BB Ise, Bomb hits 4, on fire
CA Kako, Bomb hits 1
DD Hatsuharu, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA Furutaka, Bomb hits 3, on fire
DD Shigure
CL Yura, Bomb hits 1
BB Mutsu, Bomb hits 9, heavy fires
CA Ashigara
DD Samidare
DD Nenohi
DD Hatsushima
Aircraft Attacking:
12 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
14 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
6 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
8 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
14 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
3 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
12 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
6 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
2 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
2 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
4 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BB Hiei
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BB Hyuga
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Hatsuharu
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BB Ise
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BB Mutsu
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BB Yamashiro
- It would be better the LR CAP keeps the target fleet and sends fighters again as soon it comes in range again
Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Townsville at 95,144
Weather in hex: Light cloud
Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes
Allied aircraft
SBD-2 Dauntless x 36
SBD-3 Dauntless x 67
Allied aircraft losses
SBD-2 Dauntless: 1 damaged
SBD-3 Dauntless: 13 damaged
Japanese Ships
BB Hiei, Bomb hits 5, on fire
BB Yamashiro, Bomb hits 11, on fire
CA Aoba, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
BB Hyuga, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
BB Ise, Bomb hits 4, on fire
CA Kako, Bomb hits 1
DD Hatsuharu, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA Furutaka, Bomb hits 3, on fire
DD Shigure
CL Yura, Bomb hits 1
BB Mutsu, Bomb hits 9, heavy fires
CA Ashigara
DD Samidare
DD Nenohi
DD Hatsushima
Aircraft Attacking:
12 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
14 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
6 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
8 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
14 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
3 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
12 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
6 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
2 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
2 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
4 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
4 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BB Hiei
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BB Hyuga
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Hatsuharu
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BB Ise
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BB Mutsu
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BB Yamashiro
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RE: Fed up with false reports by Japanese pilots...who is too?
Your post count isn't high enough to be able to express this level of frustration yet. [;)]
You need way, way more experience in the realm of frustration!
We old timers have come to accept that it is what it is what it is ad infinitum...
Fog of war is a VERY large component of the game as is subordinates defying orders and doing whatever they feel like.
You gotta get used to it.
You need way, way more experience in the realm of frustration!
We old timers have come to accept that it is what it is what it is ad infinitum...
Fog of war is a VERY large component of the game as is subordinates defying orders and doing whatever they feel like.
You gotta get used to it.
Hans
RE: Fed up with false reports by Japanese pilots...who is too?
Well, are you using the database updates or not? If you aren't, look at the early war flak numbers for the IJN ships. It's really low.
RE: Fed up with false reports by Japanese pilots...who is too?
Yeah, what Japs really need in this game are CAAA and BBAA classes - pure heavy DP platforms with 48 x 12.7cm guns. They would look like flattops with the pagoda in the middle and two rows of 12.7cm guns. An enemy recon aircraft will report them as CVs and CVEs, then a raid will come and then...boom x 48 times!
RE: Fed up with false reports by Japanese pilots...who is too?
Complicate tactical plans with LR CAP may get out of hand if it is not controlled closely.
RE: Fed up with false reports by Japanese pilots...who is too?
Allied pilots also give lots of false reports.
"Now excuse me while I go polish my balls ...
" - BBfanboy
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Well it is not so bad......these BBs are tough against bombs. Here the worst damaged one: Notice not bad float damage. Enemy CV fleet retired south I fled north, so no further strikes. 2-3 of the Allied CVs are damaged also, so they need to make Sidney I guess for yard time. One of my sub shot 6 (!!) fish at an US CV but all missed [:(]
Edit: And ALL fires put out only a CA has some fire but also not much flood - can make it if it is not attacked again I believe.
Edit: And ALL fires put out only a CA has some fire but also not much flood - can make it if it is not attacked again I believe.
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RE: Fed up with false reports by Japanese pilots...who is too?
Even 1000 pounders normally won't penetrate the deck armor of a BB.
However, I have sunk Yamato and Musashi with nothing more that 1000 pound bombs delivered by dive bombers.
It takes approximately 25-30 to "sink" a BB with either max system or max fire damage.
Flotation damage isn't the only thing that sinks ships in this game.
However, I have sunk Yamato and Musashi with nothing more that 1000 pound bombs delivered by dive bombers.
It takes approximately 25-30 to "sink" a BB with either max system or max fire damage.
Flotation damage isn't the only thing that sinks ships in this game.
Hans
RE: Fed up with false reports by Japanese pilots...who is too?
ORIGINAL: Alpha77
Well it is not so bad......these BBs are tough against bombs. Here the worst damaged one: Notice not bad float damage. Enemy CV fleet retired south I fled north, so no further strikes. 2-3 of the Allied CVs are damaged also, so they need to make Sidney I guess for yard time. One of my sub shot 6 (!!) fish at an US CV but all missed [:(]
Edit: And ALL fires put out only a CA has some fire but also not much flood - can make it if it is not attacked again I believe.
See the pattern? All 12.7cm ammo expended and plenty of ammo left for 25mm AA guns. Heavy DPs are doing all the shooting.
RE: Fed up with false reports by Japanese pilots...who is too?
ORIGINAL: Yaab
Yeah, what Japs really need in this game are CAAA and BBAA classes - pure heavy DP platforms with 48 x 12.7cm guns. They would look like flattops with the pagoda in the middle and two rows of 12.7cm guns. An enemy recon aircraft will report them as CVs and CVEs, then a raid will come and then...boom x 48 times!
If you look at the data from the IJN 12.7 guns they are not the best. Even the 2 CL conversations only get the mediocre ones. There is a 12.7 gun that is better but only DDs seeem to have it. Guess the 10cm would be better. A conversation of a the weaker CA to a CAAA with 10cm guns would be the best option in phantasy land....
Edit again:
Yaab: You are right on all the ships the 12.7 ammo is only at 3-4 or so left, while the 25mm have plenty. Seems they engaged not much.. but I have an idea, see combat reports above seems many DBs released at 4000. That is already the upper limit for 25mm.
I detached 2 of the non damaged CAs and 3 DDs to bombard Townsville (this was the plan for the BBs if the Allied CV fleet would not interfere, cause there are ca. 40 B17s and same number of "aux" (mostly Cats). I destroyed 1 B17 and 2 Cats - so not totally useless raid - you also need to count the small things...I do not know if the damaged numbers are true at all, it said almost 30 B17 damaged. But can be repaired fast if enough air support even if true.
RE: Fed up with false reports by Japanese pilots...who is too?
Blame the real life Japanese for not training pilots in ship recognition...the US paid more attention to this.
RE: Fed up with false reports by Japanese pilots...who is too?
ORIGINAL: Zorch
Blame the real life Japanese for not training pilots in ship recognition...the US paid more attention to this.
You mean recognize air from a CV ? [:D]
Cause they did not confuse any ships but just reported CVs sunk, as their are no plane ground or op losses I assume not a single one sunk. One CV was engaged by sub (missed all 6) and this ship was smoking quite heavily. I assume it is the one that was hit by a Kate torpedo. It would not sink from 1 hit for sure, if they had reported 3 torpedo hits the sunk report could be justified but 1 ? They just make up stuff out of thin air (just like fiat money[;)])
Edit:
Previous report of sinking of CV Indomitable incorrect. Ship sighted and engaged at 99, 150
Previous report of sinking of CV Lexington incorrect. Ship sighted and engaged at 99, 150
(this was the sub)
RE: Fed up with false reports by Japanese pilots...who is too?
Jap pilots did exaggerate damage, too. Remember Halsey's cable to Nimitz: "All ships reported sunk by Radio Tokyo have been salvaged and are retiring at high speed in the direction of the enemy"?ORIGINAL: Alpha77
ORIGINAL: Zorch
Blame the real life Japanese for not training pilots in ship recognition...the US paid more attention to this.
You mean recognize air from a CV ? [:D]
Cause they did not confuse any ships but just reported CVs sunk, as their are no plane ground or op losses I assume not a single one sunk. One CV was engaged by sub (missed all 6) and this ship was smoking quite heavily. I assume it is the one that was hit by a Kate torpedo. It would not sink from 1 hit for sure, if they had reported 3 torpedo hits the sunk report could be justified but 1 ? They just make up stuff out of thin air (just like fiat money[;)])
Edit:
Previous report of sinking of CV Indomitable incorrect. Ship sighted and engaged at 99, 150
Previous report of sinking of CV Lexington incorrect. Ship sighted and engaged at 99, 150
(this was the sub)
Also, at Midway they didn't recognize the Yorktown as the carrier they had damaged earlier in the day.
RE: Fed up with false reports by Japanese pilots...who is too?
False reports are too few in the Game. For example the game never lies when a there is combat, if it appears the picture of a cruiser in combat animation it is a cruiser not a destroyer, but it wasn't like that in war.
Many pilots attacked destroyers claiming they were cruisers.
The game battle reports also list correctly how many ships and what ships fight, IRL in many combats even in daylight no one know precisely what the other side has.
To not talk about knowledge.For example at this time Yamato was still mostly unknown.
One reasons that Japanese went to Midway with only 4 carriers is that they thought USN could only had 1 or 2 the others damaged or sunk.
Many pilots attacked destroyers claiming they were cruisers.
The game battle reports also list correctly how many ships and what ships fight, IRL in many combats even in daylight no one know precisely what the other side has.
To not talk about knowledge.For example at this time Yamato was still mostly unknown.
One reasons that Japanese went to Midway with only 4 carriers is that they thought USN could only had 1 or 2 the others damaged or sunk.