Matrix let down

[RUDOLF]

wow! This thread has developed a lot since i saw it for a few hour ago!

Personally i buy my games (after i have tested them of course), BUT its wrong to say that he has stolen the game, it is not like downloading and using a pirated game is illegal!! (maybe it is in the US and some other countrys, but in equally many countrys it is not illegal)!! So, claiming he stole the game may be to take it a bit to far. (Depend how the law §§ is weere he live, there is a entire world outside of the USA you know.. [;)])

Did you know that many countrys implement a small tax instead, and the money goes to the creators, artists and designers to compensate them for the money lost to file sharing on the web.
The only "looser's" are the huge multimillion dollar cooperation's earning on printing the CD's and selling the artist's work expensive, but who cares about them anyway.
Art should be available to everyone, not only to the ones who have afford paying!

In the European parliament there is Evan a Political party called "The Pirate Party" haha, well just throwing my two €ents onto the table here, this discussion is way out of line already anyway. [:D]


BTW: I think this thred should be locked, but then agian.. i Evan think "The Thread" should be locked!

[styer27]

I really hope none of you people have ever read a magazine before buying it, or watched burned movie, or borrowed someones car, or watched somsone elses TV, or listened to music you didnt purchase, or parked without paying the toll, or even not telling a shopkeeper he gave you too much change ... caus you know what, that would make you a hypocrite. I mean cmon get real, what are we all Jehovas witnesses in here or something?? or just REALLY old men from back when ..... EVERYTHING was different?

But you know what its not really important, caus im smart enough to realise it isnt the "theft" issue thats bothering most of you, its the "you hurt my precious" attitude. Then, what do i do? it simply cant be true, i wont accept it, he must be stopped, but how? ..... thats it! BLASPHEMY ... YES!! it was him, he said it, he insulted our precious .... BURN HIM!!!

Or you could just go with the polotician/masonic/satanic way of doing it and just try to discredit me by saying im a thief/liar/murderer/rapist. Then anything i say wont be heard.

[witpqs]

Rudolf,

I understand what you are saying, but he has made no such claim regarding laws in his home country. I think it is very reasonable to use the term 'steal' here.

[VSWG]

Edit: Nevermind...

[styer27]

i agree lock the thread and delete me plz

[witpqs]

You'll have to contact Matrix directly to delete your account. Asking us is useless because we can't do it.

[sadja]

What in the world were you doing close blockade with BB's. There is nothing in Manila that can't be sunk with a Ca DD flotilla. There are many choke points away from Batan. The slow speed of the AK make them easy targets. Set you reaction to 2, more than likely you tried to bombard Batan and got smacked.

I'm 60yrs old and I too read encyclopedias instead of kids book. My favorite book was Colliers pictorial history of WWII. I have read owned or read over 100 books on WWII and I'm know where near knowing everything. One thing about this game it makes you look up more stuff. I learn stuff about WWII everyday. You complain about logistics, the WITP was all about logistics. The ability of the Allies to ge it right and the Japanese not to. If you wanted a tactical game it is the wrong game.

[styer27]

Ill answer your question even though its irrelevant, caus weather you all like it or not its the actual result i got from mines, not the magical cannons up the road north a bit, who i took on with a fleet of 40 invasion ships and only lost 2, with about 10 damaged, they arent that scarey, and they surrendered immediatly, im not that dumb, i can read when the massages is saying over and over

* hit by mine
* hit by mine
* hit by mine
* hit by mine
* hit by mine
* hit by mine
* hit by mine
* hit by mine
* hit by mine

But no, it must have been the magical cannons, your all saying that caus you all realize the result was stupidly pathetic, amd a game ruining experience.

Anyway to answer your question i had BBs there to intercept troop and supply ships pulling out of hong kong, subs wernt getting anything. caus thats how i play, im agressive, I mean what on else if battleship for? bombardment missions are lucky to kill 100 men, im not one of those people to scared to use them in case they get sunk, they are built for fighting, not rusting untill they are useless, i mean the fate of the yamato was a pathetic waste, a waste of the most beuitifull ship ever created. imo they MUST be risked in expendible roles caus they are now obsolete, i cancelled building of musashi just to get a few more escort carriers out quicker, i was using battleships as agressivly as i could untill i lost 2 or 3 then id pull them back for carrier escort roles, and the plan WAS working brilliantly, i just used the ryojo and hosho to give them air cover, i smashed two fleets with the battleships in that position but they wandered into mines in the end chasing some damaged ship.

I had a Major sucess sending battleships to Johnson bay, with no air cover and destroyed two whole fleets of supplies and troops heading for who knows where so early in the game. I was having great sucsess with agressive tactics.

For the still non-believers heres another stupid mine instance, this time in singapore, i was covering the western narrow passage from singapore, carefully waypointed around the mined city itself but then the auto disband feature come into play (another thing i hate, constantly telling my subs "no not yet, wait a few more days you have SHITLOADS of fuel and torpedoes left) so the sub takes the quickest route home (brilliant job designers) straight into the port of singapore on the way home and yes you guessed it, hits 3 mines passing through and sinks half way home.

What sub captain in his right mind would do that? NONE

once again, how hard is it to iplement a "red zone"of no movement through known mine locations? seems common sense to me.

[crsutton]

I deeply sorry that the game is not working for you. You might try another. Perhaps "World of Warcraft". A lot of informed and "pleasant" people play that one.

I hear that it is lots of fun.

[Smeulders]

Have a look at Bataan in Google Earth, you tried to send BB trough a channel that is maybe 3 or 4 km wide and very heavily mined. And you are surprised that your BBs blow up ? As for setting up a "red zone" that prohibits movement trough known mine locations ? Set it up yourself, put your BBs away further or reduce the reaction range. It's been said by the devs before on this forum, though on another subject, that they won't code out player mistakes, very applicable here if you ask me.

[SuluSea]

ORIGINAL: styer27

For the still non-believers heres another stupid mine instance, this time in singapore, i was covering the western narrow passage from singapore, carefully waypointed around the mined city itself but then the auto disband feature come into play (another thing i hate, constantly telling my subs "no not yet, wait a few more days you have SHITLOADS of fuel and torpedoes left) so the sub takes the quickest route home (brilliant job designers) straight into the port of singapore on the way home and yes you guessed it, hits 3 mines passing through and sinks half way home.

What sub captain in his right mind would do that? NONE

Again, you are blaming the designers for your weak gameplay. I'm not one to help someone who steals a game so............

[Smeulders]

As a slight addendum to my previous post, did you by any chance set the sub that ran into Singapore harbour to direct routing ? As allies, around July 42', my subs automatically avoid going through Singapore harbour. Even if I put a waypoint one hex to the East and one hex to the West of Singapore, it will still choose the detour through Bintan Island.

[VMF 214]

"I scoped this game out for weeks before i finally found a decent download that found a way past matrix games over-the-top security codes, im an honest person but im an avid believer in the try before you waste $100 policy."

This would be one reason you are getting the responses you are getting.

"It angers me to think of all the people like me who bought the game only to shelve it for the same reasons, and of course there are many. At least lay off on the security codes a little, its not like your protecting gold bullion, though it seems you are when you have to enter a serial code just to activate a Matrix games PATCH! do you lock up your toothbrush in a bathroom safe too? someone might steal that"

You didn't buy it and if there are people like you out there then yes I need to lock up my toothbrush too.

"So what now, all i want is a midway carrier battle, thats why im busting all these hours training men and supplying bases, fair enough the 4 BB's are next to useless anyway with the air combat to come, but the mechanics of it have ut me off the game completely, i feel like performing CPR or something caus its so sad, but what can i do, Gary has let me down like this in almost all of his games, too much complexity ruins the flow."

but you keep buying....no stealing....no buying....ah whatever. Don't buy/steal anymore of his games [:-]



This game is very complex and being new to it and this forum you will make mistakes. If you re-read your OP you will see you come off not asking for help but bashing the designers and developers who worked hard on this. I think a simple "hey I don't think this is right can you help me" would have gone a long way towards the reaction you have been getting.
But then again you stole it so don't cry about it... that would be like me breaking into your house and stealing your stuff then calling you up and saying "hey I stole your stuff and it's a bunch of crap" [8|]

Stupid is as stupid does!!

[USSAmerica]

ORIGINAL: VMF 214
"hey I stole your stuff and it's a bunch of crap"

Stupid is as stupid does!!

[&o] [:D]

[styer27]

Good job changing the subject back to me guys, god forbid we nearly started a decent discussion about WitP, thankfully you intervened in time.

BACK TO THE HANGING!!

[Historiker]

BACK TO THE HANGING!!

which is rightfull

[sadja]

BB bombard well if you recon. This is another part of the game that is not glamorus but needed. You don't just pull up and kill everybody. You don't need BB's to kill transports. They are great plane magnets if TF and shrug off bombs pretty well, torps do bother them, but later in the war thier AA is pretty fierce.

You are right, the game isn't gold bullion. It is much more than that, it is hundreds of thousands of man hours in dev, play test and debugging. These games are not created by people that don't have anything else to do. It is work and they have a right to be paid. I'm sure you donate your time on the job, work 40 hrs and get paid for 30. Yjis game is continually suported and changes are made, not just to fix bugs but yo add things players ask for. I'm sure all those shooter games get lots of support.

You don't like the game say its broke, OK you don't have anything invested except time yhen go away, for every one of you there are hundreds of players that are having a ball.

[bigred]

ORIGINAL: sadja



You are right, the game isn't gold bullion. It is much more than that, it is hundreds of thousands of man hours in dev, play test and debugging. These games are not created by people that don't have anything else to do. It is work and they have a right to be paid.

I suspect thousands of man hours have been donated to the development of AE/WITP/CHS/RHS by players afterhours from their regular job. This game is a masterpiece of gaming development, but mostly a tribute to the coming together of players around the world to make this happen. Truely magnificent.
And when these players are not developing the game, they argue w/ each other like little boys. So for my 80 US dollors I get to watch the boys beat up on styer 27.[:D]

[sadja]

Amen, stopping the yellow hoard is my current assignment, next it will be righting the wrongs of the European Imperlist.[:D]

[John 3rd]

ORIGINAL: bigred

ORIGINAL: sadja



You are right, the game isn't gold bullion. It is much more than that, it is hundreds of thousands of man hours in dev, play test and debugging. These games are not created by people that don't have anything else to do. It is work and they have a right to be paid.

I suspect thousands of man hours have been donated to the development of AE/WITP/CHS/RHS by players afterhours from their regular job. This game is a masterpiece of gaming development, but mostly a tribute to the coming together of players around the world to make this happen. Truely magnificent.
And when these players are not developing the game, they argue w/ each other like little boys. So for my 80 US dollors I get to watch the boys beat up on styer 27.[:D]