Jeanne's Last Jaunt, 2009 - new beta for testing

[Mgellis]

Version 2 uploaded at 9:30 CST Aug 13 2023.
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A new scenario for testing...

It's 2009 and a coup in Guinea has France trying to get their people out of an increasingly unstable situation. They've sent the aging helicopter cruiser Jeanne d'Arc and some supporting forces to get the job done. It shouldn't be too difficult, right?

(This scenario takes advantage of Command's cargo features. Be ready to pick up people with helicopters.)

As always, please let me know what you think. Anything missing? Anything you would do different? Anything that needs to be fixed? Any stupid typos in the briefing? Anything that could be done to make this scenario more fun and more challenging? Any other suggestions or comments?

Thanks in advance!

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[HalfLifeExpert]

Sweet! I'll try this when I get home from work!

[HalfLifeExpert]

I've completed this scenario. Overall a nice small scale situation to try out/practice cargo ops with helicopters.

But I do have some critiques:

1) Perhaps make the Gunieans a little more aggressive from the start, so to give the player the freedom to engage earlier. Trying to send the helos in before hostilities was a very bloody affair.

2) It seemed a bit too easy once I was able to engage the enemy (I ultimately decided to bait them into firing first with La Fayette's helo, which resulted in it being shot down). Only two Mig-21s, 1 Trainer, and one Hind as air threats? Only a pair of AAA sites? I think you should add a little more opposition in for some challenge.

3) Scoring needs some work. Before I was able to evac many people, I got a sudden jolt to 'Triumph' with over 1000 points. The reason isn't very clear to me. (Scoring log below)

SIDE: France
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LOSSES:
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1x Lynx HAS.4(FN)


DECOYS:
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EXPENDITURES:
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4x 30mm Giat 30/M791B Burst [25 rnds]
12x MICA EM
7x MICA IR
2x MM.40 Exocet Blk II
9x T.25 250kg GPB

WEAPONS/STORES LOST:
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10x 1200 liter Drop Tank
5x 2200 liter Drop Tank
15x 30mm DEFA 553 x 2 Burst [50 rnds]
200x 7.62mm MG Burst [20 rnds]
168x Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]
125x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
48x Generic Flare Salvo [2x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
142x Generic Flare Salvo [4x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
8x Generic Unguided Anti Tank Weapon
10x R.550 Magic 2 Mk2
180x SNEB 68mm Rocket



SIDE: Guinea
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LOSSES:
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12x 57mm S60
3x BRDM-2
1x Mi-25 Hind D
2x MiG-21MF Fishbed J
1x MT T-43 [Pr.254K/M]
1x TK Shershen [Pr.206]
2x Vehicle (Flap Wheel [RPK-1M1 Vaza])
1x Yak-11 Moose


DECOYS:
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EXPENDITURES:
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11x 12.7mm Yak-B Burst [100 rnds]
78x 57mm S60 HE
16x AK-230 30mm/65 Twin Burst [50 rnds]
3x Generic Flare Salvo [4x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
2x SA-N-5 Grail [9M32M]

WEAPONS/STORES LOST:
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19x 12.7mm Yak-B Burst [100 rnds]
4x 12.7mm/50 MG x 2 Burst [100 rnds]
420x 12.7mm/50 Twin MG Burst [20 rnds]
1x 1250 liter Ferry Tank
800x 14.5mm MG Burst [20 rnds]
20x 23mm Gsh-23L Burst [40 rnds]
540x 37mm/63 Twin Burst [20 rnds]
4x 53-57 Pattern Runner [NATO 53-56]
522x 57mm S60 HE
480x 7.62mm MG Burst [20 rnds]
2x 800 liter Drop Tank
8x AA-2a Atoll [R-3S]
424x AK-230 30mm/65 Twin Burst [50 rnds]
24x Depth Charge [Generic]
45x Generic Flare Salvo [4x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
128x S-5K 57mm Rocket
10x SA-N-5 Grail [9M32M]



SIDE: Neutrals
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LOSSES:
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DECOYS:
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EXPENDITURES:
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WEAPONS/STORES LOST:
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SIDE: Civilians
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LOSSES:
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DECOYS:
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EXPENDITURES:
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WEAPONS/STORES LOST:
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07/25/2009 06:32: Score changed from 0 to -50. Reason: Event Action: '-50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'French aircraft destroyed')

07/25/2009 06:35: Score changed from -50 to -40. Reason: Event Action: '10 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Guinean ship destroyed')

07/25/2009 06:54: Score changed from -40 to -30. Reason: Event Action: '10 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Guinean aircraft destroyed')

07/25/2009 06:55: Score changed from -30 to -20. Reason: Event Action: '10 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Guinean aircraft destroyed')

07/25/2009 06:57: Score changed from -20 to -10. Reason: Event Action: '10 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Guinean aircraft destroyed')

07/25/2009 06:59: Score changed from -10 to 0. Reason: Event Action: '10 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Guinean ground units destroyed')

07/25/2009 07:00: Score changed from 0 to 10. Reason: Event Action: '10 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Guinean ground units destroyed')

07/25/2009 07:03: Score changed from 10 to 20. Reason: Event Action: '10 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Guinean ship destroyed')

07/25/2009 07:44: Score changed from 20 to 70. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 07:44: Score changed from 70 to 120. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 07:44: Score changed from 120 to 170. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 07:44: Score changed from 170 to 220. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 07:44: Score changed from 220 to 270. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 07:45: Score changed from 270 to 320. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 07:45: Score changed from 320 to 370. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 07:45: Score changed from 370 to 420. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 07:45: Score changed from 420 to 470. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 07:45: Score changed from 470 to 520. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 07:45: Score changed from 520 to 570. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 07:45: Score changed from 570 to 620. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 07:45: Score changed from 620 to 670. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 07:45: Score changed from 670 to 720. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 07:46: Score changed from 720 to 770. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 07:46: Score changed from 770 to 820. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 07:46: Score changed from 820 to 870. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 07:47: Score changed from 870 to 920. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 07:47: Score changed from 920 to 970. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 07:47: Score changed from 970 to 1020. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 07:48: Score changed from 1020 to 1070. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 07:48: Score changed from 1070 to 1120. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 07:49: Score changed from 1120 to 1170. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 07:50: Score changed from 1170 to 1220. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 07:51: Score changed from 1220 to 1270. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 07:53: Score changed from 1270 to 1320. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 08:54: Score changed from 1320 to 1370. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 08:59: Score changed from 1370 to 1420. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 09:59: Score changed from 1420 to 1430. Reason: Event Action: '10 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Guinean aircraft destroyed')

07/25/2009 10:51: Score changed from 1430 to 1480. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 10:55: Score changed from 1480 to 1530. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 11:23: Score changed from 1530 to 1580. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 11:23: Score changed from 1580 to 1630. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 11:27: Score changed from 1630 to 1680. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

07/25/2009 12:29: Score changed from 1680 to 1730. Reason: Event Action: '50 points' has been fired (part of Event: 'Move personnel via helicopter')

[Mgellis]

Thanks for the feedback. I'll start working up the revised version soon.

I was concerned Guinea would not be a huge challenge, but they don't have a very big military. I was trying to model the scenario around what they were likely to have had available in 2009. Maybe I'll add a few "donations" from the Chinese or a couple of extra patrol boats.

Just curious...did you find the mine field? (Maybe I have to move it a bit further out.)

As for scoring, I'll definitely work on that...the irony is not lost on me that Command makes it more complicated to give players points for saving someone as opposed to killing them.

Thanks again for the feedback. I hope we'll hear from other people, too.

I've completed this scenario. Overall a nice small scale situation to try out/practice cargo ops with helicopters.

But I do have some critiques:

1) Perhaps make the Gunieans a little more aggressive from the start, so to give the player the freedom to engage earlier. Trying to send the helos in before hostilities was a very bloody affair.

2) It seemed a bit too easy once I was able to engage the enemy (I ultimately decided to bait them into firing first with La Fayette's helo, which resulted in it being shot down). Only two Mig-21s, 1 Trainer, and one Hind as air threats? Only a pair of AAA sites? I think you should add a little more opposition in for some challenge.

3) Scoring needs some work. Before I was able to evac many people, I got a sudden jolt to 'Triumph' with over 1000 points. The reason isn't very clear to me. (Scoring log below)

[HalfLifeExpert]

Just curious...did you find the mine field? (Maybe I have to move it a bit further out.)

No!

I did lose the La Fayette in one playthrough where I strictly adhered to ROE (allowing Gunieans to fire first).
Led to a Guinean PT boat launching a salvo and blasting the ship to my total surprise.

[Nikel]

Hi, I cannot load the scenario because of a missing database, in the screenshot you still use v1307.19, but did you created it with v1328, and so v500 or v501 of the database is needed?

Anyway could find this oob for Guinea Forces in 2009, I hope it is useful:


Army 8,500

Forces by role

Armd 1 bn
Inf 5 bn
SF 1 bn
Ranger 1 bn
Cdo 1 bn
Arty 1 bn
Engr 1 bn
AD 1 bn

Equipment by type

MBT 38: 8 T-54; 30 T-34
LT TK 15 PT-76
RECCE 27: 2 AML-90; 25 BRDM-1/BRDM-2
APC (W) 40: 16 BTR-40; 10 BTR-50; 8 BTR-60; 6 BTR-152
ARTY 32+
TOWED 20:122mm 12 M-1931/37
MOR 20+: 82mm M-43;120mm 20 M-1943/M-38
AT •MSL• MANPATS AT-3 9K11 Sagger
RCL 82mm B-10
RL 73mm RPG-7 Knout
GUNS 6+: 57mm ZIS-2 M-1943; 85mm 6 D-44
AD •SAM• MANPAD SA-7 Grail
GUNS•TOWED 24+: 30mm M-53 (twin); 37 mm
8 M-1939; 57mm 12 Type-59 (S-60);100 mm 4 KS-19

Navy ε400

Equipment by type

PATROL AND COASTAL COMBATANTS• PCI
2 Swiftships less than 100 tonnes

facilities
Bases Located at Conakry, Kakanda


Air force 800

Forces by role

FGA sqn with MiG-21 Fishbed; MiG-17F Fresco C
Tpt sqn with An-24 Coke; AN-14
Trg sqn with MiG-15UTI Midget
Hel sqn with Mi-24 Hind; SA-342K Gazelle; SA-330 Puma;
Mi-8 Hip; SA-316B Alouette III

Equipment by type

AIRCRAFT 7 combat capable (none currently operational)
FTR7: 3 MiG-21 Fishbed: 4 MiG-17F Fresco C
TPT 1 An-24 Coke
UTL 4 An-14
TRG 2 MiG-15UTI Midget

HELICOPTERS
ATK 5: 4 Mi-24 Hind; 1 SA-342K Gazelle;
SPT3: 1 SA-330 Puma; 2 Mi-8 Hip

MSL
AAM: AA-2 Atoll


As the 7 fighters were considered non operational, you may add to the description that the RF Aerospace Forces had sent a support military mission, and indeed they were operational

Wagner Group was not yet active in that time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Gr ... _in_Africa

[Mgellis]

Just uploaded version 2. (Yes, this time I mean it. The reason it was missing for 30 minutes is that I uploaded it and then realized I had not fixed a couple of minor errors I had meant to take care of. Sorry!)

Main changes...

* Modified scoring so it should be a bit harder to get a triumph (you get fewer points for each transfer of personnel).

* Effectively doubled Guinean forces to make them more of a challenge.

* Added a teleport action to add a second group of evacuees later in the scenario

* Reduced the time frame from 30 to 20 hours

* Removed a mine field that did not seem to do anything for the scenario.

Please let me know what you think. What can I do to make the scenario more interesting, more credible, more challenging, and more fun?

Thanks in advance!

[Mgellis]

Has anyone had a chance to play Version 2 yet? Is there anything else I need to do or is it ready for the Community Scenario Pack? Please let me know what you think. Thanks!

[schweggy]

Has anyone had a chance to play Version 2 yet? Is there anything else I need to do or is it ready for the Community Scenario Pack? Please let me know what you think. Thanks!

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I have it queued up for this afternoon/evening. I did play version 1 a couple days ago.

My only critique, other than the fairly weak OpFor is that the stranded civilians can't be evacuated using a cargo mission. They're on an allied (friendly) side, but can't be added to a cargo mission created on the player's French side. (At least I can't figure out how to do it.) I can pick up the civilian units manually, and that's fine, but not via an actual cargo mission that would do it autonomously.

EDIT ===>

There are 3 missions for the Guinea side that did not fire; Kill (*HostilePlanes *HostileShips *Rebels) - Strike (No Targets). The APC's assigned never moved, the assigned aircraft didn't launch. A pair of MiG-21's and a Yak appeared early on, and a pair of Hind's took off individually at different times too. I lost the Lynx early on. I had it assigned to a Maritime Patrol in AO and the Rafale's hadn't made it that far when it was jumped by one of those MiG-21's. The AA capabilities of the French warships is... sad. Anyway, it's a cool little scenario but some of those missions on the AI side don't seem to be working right. They might need some LUA, but I'm not an expert by any means on that.

I completed the scenario with a score of 370. Below is the breakdown:
SIDE: France
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LOSSES:
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1x Lynx HAS.4(FN)


EXPENDITURES:
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6x MICA IR
4x MM.40 Exocet Blk II
16x MICA EM
48x T.25 250kg GPB



SIDE: Guinea
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LOSSES:
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4x MiG-21MF Fishbed J
1x TK Shershen [Pr.206]
2x Type 062 Shanghai I
2x Yak-11 Moose
12x 57mm S60
2x Vehicle (Flap Wheel [RPK-1M1 Vaza])
1x MT T-43 [Pr.254K/M]
3x BRDM-2
3x SA-7a Grail [9K32 Strela-2] MANPADS
1x Mi-25 Hind D
2x Armored Personnel Carrier
1x Armored Personnel Carrier


EXPENDITURES:
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3x 23mm Gsh-23L Burst [40 rnds]
48x 57mm S60 HE



SIDE: Neutrals
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LOSSES:
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EXPENDITURES:
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SIDE: Civilians
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LOSSES:
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EXPENDITURES:
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[Cousteau]

Hello
i have tried the version embeded in the community scenario pack on steam.

Was fine and fun. Keeping air superiority during the whole operation is a little tricky and a damn chopper killed few french soldiers (my bad).

Anyway I have 2 more important problems :

it's 20:20Z and the 2nd group of peoples is not arrived. Is it normal (randomization or something like that) ?

i did not understand how to pick the peoples in my choppers and bring them back to the Jeanne. I read the manual, watch tutos and as i understand you need a source to set a cargo transfer mission and there is no source. Fria airport is a neutral airport.

is there something i missed ?

[Mgellis]

The 2nd group of evacuees should show up...although it's possible they were intercepted by Guinean forces. (They're supposed to appear at the same spot as the other evacuees, so it's possible you did not see them if all the other evacuees were still there; the new ones would just get stacked onto to old ones.)

To pick up evacuees, you will need to set the helicopters for a transport mission (already done) and then use the select unit for pickup option in the unit orders menu. Since there are only ten people, you can pick up more than one group. Then you take them back to the Jeanne...I think they unload onto the ship automatically but you can transfer them as cargo if you have to.

I hope this helps.

Hello
i have tried the version embeded in the community scenario pack on steam.

Was fine and fun. Keeping air superiority during the whole operation is a little tricky and a damn chopper killed few french soldiers (my bad).

Anyway I have 2 more important problems :

it's 20:20Z and the 2nd group of peoples is not arrived. Is it normal (randomization or something like that) ?

i did not understand how to pick the peoples in my choppers and bring them back to the Jeanne. I read the manual, watch tutos and as i understand you need a source to set a cargo transfer mission and there is no source. Fria airport is a neutral airport.

is there something i missed ?

[Cousteau]

Finaly....it's helped. Think this function need some improvement : accessible in mission and more user friendly. You have to switch to unit view and select the good number of units to carry otherwise it doesn't work and there is no feed back such as "too heavy" or "too many" thing(s) to carry.

Enjoyable scenario, medium complexity. An other one please and thank's foryour help.

[slimatwar]

Which map view do you condider more suitable for this scenario taking into account the vegetation of the jungle?

[Mgellis]

Not really a super expert with Command maps. The terrain map is probably useful, but I don't think it's critical.

Sorry I can't be more help.

Which map view do you condider more suitable for this scenario taking into account the vegetation of the jungle?

[slimatwar]

Not really a super expert with Command maps. The terrain map is probably useful, but I don't think it's critical.

Sorry I can't be more help.

Thanks.
I'm not an expert with Command maps too and I'm a bit confused with the different map options.

[ClaudeJ]

Hey Mark,

that's a fun scenario, thanks!

I felt I had much more airpower than I thought would be available in that context.

As far as I know, the French were not using the Rafale abroad then and were still relying on their Mirage, 2000, and F1 :

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(French AF abroad, late 2009)

Maybe a couple 2000C, one or two 2000D, one F1CR, and the C135FR.

As for the Jeanne d'Arc ("la Jeanne"), it was in between two deployments in your time frame :
https://www.netmarine.net/bat/ecole/jea ... nesmod.htm

The last cruise was escorted by the FFL Courbet. A Panther, from the 36F, could have been aboard.
The previous one, which wandered in the Indian Ocean though, was escorted by the F70-type ASW frigate "D640 Georges Leygues", also on its last cruise. Could be with a Lynx.
https://www.netmarine.net/bat/ecole/jea ... nesmod.htm
https://www.netmarine.net/g/bat/jeanne/campagne0809.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20110628140 ... oire03.htm

On la Jeanne were a 2x Alouette III (22S squadron) and 2x Gazelle (could be HOT).

As for the Super Frelon, there were 7 still in service at that time, in an S&R role. Maybe a couple would be there, plus a few Puma from the Army (a Pirate one would be fat).

Anyhow, thanks again Mark.

Cheers

[Mgellis]

Hi, ClaudeJ. Thanks for the information. Netmarine looks like it will be a very useful source for building scenarios.

Thanks again.