Christmas in Antwerp! Easter in Paris? Wacht am Rhein GC

[loutro]

ORIGINAL: nikdav

Great AAR !

With open beta v1.00.05 "Wacht am Rhein" turn/fuel delivery changed from 30.000 to 40.000, and the Fuel Cards cost/delivery revised ( 50% / 40.000);

Davide

thanks!
I will have to download it. AT this point,fuel is too expensive, but I will see how it is with the update

[loutro]

12.26.44 0600 | Points: 285 (!!)




Waiting for Patton

Christmas was an eventful day

Rotgen has been taken.
9SS is in part of Eupen.
12SS has taken Verviers
Peiper is advancing west
Manhay has been taken

167VG and 246VG have arrived. 301 Tiger Abteilung has arrived.

The situation map



North

With Rotgen captured, we have an abundance of units to use. 3Pz is still in combat readiness and if they can across across the top of the map and then hook left to Eupen, it would seal the northern sector. And I still have 2SS to use!

89ID is finished, it only has 350 combat troops left. 272VG and 326VG will tag alone with 3Pz as needed.

12VG will advance alone the better road through the forest to Eupen. Entering Eupen was rather easy, it only took 9SS a week to travel down a dirt road, but as a result, they have most of their panzers to use.

12SS is in Verviers and about to take the supply dump. 9SS can do the same



The fall of Rotgen




Center

As 12SS has Verviers under control, 10SS is now pushing West above 1SS, move towards the main road healing N-S to put pressure on any troops behind 1SS. The goal is to help 116Pz outside of Werbomont, as they cannot clear that area



2Pz took Manhay, 18VG, 62VG and FBB will all push west to move those enemy units out of the path, Dochamp would be nice to take, but I want to have a solid front line running north to south.
18VG and 3FJ have pocketed the HQ of 82 Airborne and a few units. They will celebrate the New Year in the comforts of a Stalag.





Lehr and 26VG are holding tight in Ourtheville, pushing a few enemy units back, if 560VG can push forward and link up with Lehr, it would make a solid line



11Pz is the tip of the bulge, the tip of the spear. Heading to St Hubert, which may be a foolish task

I was worried about 5FJ being so spread out on such a large front. To remedy that, 9Pz has arrived.



South

In the south, the goal is to hold Mersch and using 15PZ and 25pz, push the enemy back for some space.





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Note

The last 24 hours were rather impressive. The northern SS units have lots of panzers. If I can straighten out my line in the center, I can prepare for the counterattack….which I believe is over due? Where is PATTON?!

I have 285 points, 300 would give me a lot of wiggle room to stay above 100 for a minor victory.

[loutro]

12.27.44 0600 | Points: 303




Am I a Magnificent Ba$t@rd?!

In the past 24 hours, I took the Eupen depot and the Verviers depot. My panzers gas tanks are full. I took Martelange with the newly arrived 9PZ. 249VG, 9VG, 167VG and the Tiger Abeitlung are all heading to the front.


Well, I have 303 points. The AI is attacking me in areas I am weak and spread thin, but I don’t think it can beat me.

Look at the situation map.



North

In the North, From Rotgen to Verviers, I control the whole area. I could clear out the northern most road and move to Liege…







Center

In the center, 1SS and 10SS are engaged with 2nd Armor. I see no real need engage them, cut them off and let them starve


In Ourtheville, I am holding tight. To the South, 11Pz bit off more than it could chew and is falling back against aggressive enemy movement. The 4th, 5thID’s and 4th Armor are more than 11Pz can handle




The only sector I really want to attack is Werbomont. 116Pz has almost no panzers, so 2Pz, 3FJ, 18VG and FBB can make a push west and perhaps have the line from Werbomont to Dochamps





5FJ has moved north to fill in the gaps and hold the enemy in place. Just to the south, 9pz has entered Martelange


South

In the south, we are slowly trying to cut off the enemy units on the road to Mersch. The enemy has done nothing with the forces he has…I am sure he could attack and inflict some damage.[/size]


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Note

303 Points and 205PP. I got over 60,000 tons of fuel by taking the Eupen and Verviers depots.

I really don’t see the AI beating me. He can push me around, but as far as pushing me out of the north, no. In the south, doubtful. In the center, I can just delay him and slowly retreating, falling back.

Do I continue to attack, or run out the clock?

[Stelteck]

You are not supposed to reach Antwerp ? It is fun north&south clearance but you really need to reach Dinant and above or you will still loose the war.
Moustache man will not be happy.

Go west !! Go west !! Go West !!!

[loutro]

With over 300 points...I have won! Trying to reach Liege, but this game is over!

[Khanti]

Really helpful AAR. Thank for making it through whole campaign [:)]

[nikdav]

Have you seen the US 5th Armored from the north ?

[loutro]

ORIGINAL: nikdav

Have you seen the US 5th Armored from the north ?

Yes.
They are West and North of Verviers. I don't think they are a threat now

[Stelteck]

ORIGINAL: loutro

With over 300 points...I have won! Trying to reach Liege, but this game is over!

The game maybe, but the war is still lost and i'am not sûre the timeline have been changed at all [;)]

[loutro]

ORIGINAL: Stelteck

ORIGINAL: loutro

With over 300 points...I have won! Trying to reach Liege, but this game is over!

The game maybe, but the war is still lost and i'am not sûre the timeline have been changed at all [;)]

Well, that is true. Wacht am Rhein was a plan of pure fantasy anyway. There never would have been enough fuel or men to make it past the Meuse.

And the game, is made to win!!!

[Jagger2002]

Good job! So how long did it take you to do a turn? That is one big scenario!

[OnWargaming]

ORIGINAL: loutro

With over 300 points...I have won! Trying to reach Liege, but this game is over!

Sorry, do you won the game without even crossing the Meuse?

[Stelteck]

ORIGINAL: OnWargaming

ORIGINAL: loutro

With over 300 points...I have won! Trying to reach Liege, but this game is over!

Sorry, do you won the game without even crossing the Meuse?

Hi hi my point (or whatever the point), you need to try at least to cross the Meuse [:'(][:D]
The performance points are still awesome, there shall be a lot of US troops destroyed !!! Destruction of ennemy troops give a lots of points.

[loutro]

ORIGINAL: OnWargaming

ORIGINAL: loutro

With over 300 points...I have won! Trying to reach Liege, but this game is over!

Sorry, do you won the game without even crossing the Meuse?

Yes. I have more than 150 victory points, which are required for a Major Victory

[loutro]

ORIGINAL: Jagger2002

Good job! So how long did it take you to do a turn? That is one big scenario!

A turn could take up to 1.5 to two hours. I don't spend a lot of time reviewing combat details. I go pretty fast. On turns where I have to make important decisions about troops movements, they can take longer. I started the game on November 26, so almost 3 weeks to finish. A few times I did 2 complete days (4 turns per day) in one day.

Working from home is a big help. Whenever I have down time...I'm on the game.

[loutro]

12.29.44 0600 | Points: 324




This song is over

Soy fell, Werbomont retaken, outside St Hubert, Samree and Laroche

I can advance at will for the most part. As you can see from the map, I simply keep advancing. I meet pockets of resistance, but at this point, I can do as I wish.



I have almost more fuel now than at the start of the campaign, due to the capturing of depots


Notes
324 points. 565 PP. I don’t even use the cards anymore

I was going to try to reach the Meuse...but why bother. It is STILL a long way off.


FINAL THOUGHTS

This was fun. That is enough to play the game. This is my first Decisive Campaigns game and while it took some time to get adjusted to the interface and the game play, I like it.

The AI...well...it wasn't that good. I played on normal difficulty. It would keep units next to mine and never attack. It withdrew rather easily in some areas, and none at all in others. What makes a game enjoyable is if I can imitate the historical situation the game is portraying. Reach the Meuse...you might in the game, but it didn't happen in real life so that seems fair. If I could not reach any of the objectives that were reached in real life, that would be a let down. This game, I feel, gives you a good chance at driving deep into the Allied lines.

Panzers get chewed up pretty easily. While it is fun to have a bunch of Panthers roll over enemy units, I'd probably be a touch more conservative with them next time.
One thing I noticed, Allied division HQs are really hard to take out. I don't think that should be the case. Multiple attacks were needed against HQs and that just seems wrong.
Fuel...that I feel is portrayed well. Those panzers being able to only move a few KM a turn is frustrating. But capture some depots...and it can change the balance.

Another element I enjoyed was planning my campaign and realizing how ridiculous this plan was in real life. Antwerp! Never would have happened. Those tiny roads in the big forests. Not panzer terrain.

Well done Vic on a great game!


All I had to do was to cross the river, capture Brussels, and then go on to take the port of Antwerp. The snow was waist-deep and there wasn’t room to deploy four tanks abreast, let alone six armored divisions. It didn’t get light until eight and was dark again at four, and my tanks can’t fight at night. And all this at Christmas time!
-Sepp Dietrich

[Jagger2002]

Well now you need to round somebody up and do the scenario PBEM with AAR. If you can get three-four turns done a week, it would take about 3-4 months to complete. 6-8 hours a week is significant time commitment but doable. Some of the monster games are simply impossible to play but I think this one could be done realistically.

[OnWargaming]

ORIGINAL: loutro

ORIGINAL: OnWargaming

ORIGINAL: loutro

With over 300 points...I have won! Trying to reach Liege, but this game is over!

Sorry, do you won the game without even crossing the Meuse?

Yes. I have more than 150 victory points, which are required for a Major Victory

I am a bit puzzled, do you have achieved the double of points needed for a major victory without following the original plan?
Of course as armchair generals playing a game almost 80 years later we are aware about a lot of infos, but historically the whole offensive was intended to cut off the enemy force north of the line Antwerp-Liège-Aachen and it would be nice trying to outperform the historical outcome.

Aside my personal opinion about the victory condintions, congrats for your victory and thank for the AAR [:)]

[nikdav]

Can you upload the final victory screen ?

It could be interesting also to see final total losses !

Davide

[Khanti]

ORIGINAL: OnWargaming

I am a bit puzzled, do you have achieved the double of points needed for a major victory without following the original plan?
Of course as armchair generals playing a game almost 80 years later we are aware about a lot of infos, but historically the whole offensive was intended to cut off the enemy force north of the line Antwerp-Liège-Aachen and it would be nice trying to outperform the historical outcome.

Aside my personal opinion about the victory condintions, congrats for your victory and thank for the AAR [:)]

Historically they did not get victory points for destroying enemy units
We have them, so successful killing brings victory, same way as taking cities.
We can reconsider VP objectives, to make it impossible for major victory without crossing Meuse River, though