German Separate Artillery SUs Manpower

[Wiedrock]

I only looked at 2 of the Artillery TOEs so far, but in both the Manpower only accounted for the basic three Batteries Manpower, all the other Man seem to be missing?
Niehorster lists them as using those KSTNs:

vol_4-2
http://niehorster.org/011_germany/books_gwwii/index_vols.htm

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In Game the TOE looks like this:

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I managed to find the KSTNs of the Batteries and the HQ Battery. They may be changed, it's 1944 KSTNs, so a little grain of salt is involved. But it should give a general idea on how it looked like.
Here you can see about how a 20tonne Column looked like (about 62Men).
I've also used this page to guesstimate the missing Manpower for the HQ (may be flawed).
So Currently this TOE has 370Men, but the three Batteries (3xgreen) would give combined already 3x165=495Men.
Additionally there's the Collumn missing, the HQ and the HQ Battery.
In sum from what I see the Manpower should rather be at about 660'ish (some KSTNs are completely lost as it seems so there's always little leeway I suppose).

[Wiedrock]

That's the first one I looked at nice hand painting, huh?
In game the TOE [OB:836] has 388Men.

[Wiedrock]

http://www.niehorster.org/011_germany/4 ... 11-41.html
http://www.niehorster.org/011_germany/4 ... 11-41.html

[MechFO]

I only looked at 2 of the Artillery TOEs so far, but in both the Manpower only accounted for the basic three Batteries Manpower, all the other Man seem to be missing?
Niehorster lists them as using those KSTNs:
K3_mot.png
In Game the TOE looks like this:
K3_TOE_ingame.png
I managed to find the KSTNs of the Batteries and the HQ Battery. They may be changed, it's 1944 KSTNs, so a little grain of salt is involved. But it should give a general idea on how it looked like.
Here you can see about how a 20tonne Column looked like (about 62Men).
I've also used this page to guesstimate the missing Manpower for the HQ (may be flawed).
So Currently this TOE has 370Men, but the three Batteries (3xgreen) would give combined already 3x165=495Men.
Additionally there's the Collumn missing, the HQ and the HQ Battery.
In sum from what I see the Manpower should rather be at about 660'ish (some KSTNs are completely lost as it seems so there's always little leeway I suppose).

Manpower
In March 41 II/57, with 12x10cm K, reported
Stab 56 Men, 27 Veh
Nachrichten 51 Men, 15 Veh
AVT 10 Men, 15 Veh
3 Bttr 462 Men, 126 Veh
Nachschub 141, 38
Total 720 Men 221 Veh
by August 41 this seems to have been shrunk down to about 675(II/62). 01.10.1943 for 3x10cm k, 6xsFH, establishment strength was 625. 01.10.1943 Schw Art Abt 850 (mixed at the time) had and establishment of 580 men. Another unit, Schw Art Abt 848 shows an establishment strength of only 489 men for 9xsFH on 1.11.1943.
21cm unit Schw Art Abt 854 had 653 men while 859 had 629 men for 9 guns on 01.10.1943. 859 is noted as missing its munitions column.

Number of Officers/NonComs are similar, number of enlisted (inkl. Hiwi) makes the difference. The 848 and 854 strength report show very few HiWi's leading me to believe they are missing their munitions columns, also the similar number of 854 with 859. 854's is confirmed to be missing 01.12.1943.

In game these seem to run at 400-550 men, especially the 10cm K units seem very undersized at 364. Maybe add some support squads at least to the 10cm K units. Also mentioning this because some of the units disbanded in 1944 were down to 10-20% of establishment judging from the numbers transferred

At that time I wasn't aware of GermandocsinRussia.

This has more information but late war only.


https://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/de/ ... ect/zoom/4

[Wiedrock]

At that time I wasn't aware of GermandocsinRussia.

This has more information but late war only.


https://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/de/ ... ect/zoom/4

Link is "broken". Or?

And yes, early stuff is rare.

[MechFO]

At that time I wasn't aware of GermandocsinRussia.

This has more information but late war only.


https://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/de/ ... ect/zoom/4

Link is "broken". Or?

And yes, early stuff is rare.

https://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/de/ ... ect/zoom/4

Working now, but no luck with any mapower totals, I just checked.