Harpoon 3: Advanced Naval Warfare Updated

[Vincenzo_Beretta]

ORIGINAL: HercMighty

I think both of you are 12 year old kids. Its this continued BS that will keep this game forever in the might have beens.

Funny: I thought that what kept this game a 'might-have-been' was its almost unprecedented bugginess. Of course pointing out bugs can cause "distrurbances in the Force", so, maybe, what you are looking at is a side effect. [8|]

[Bucks]

ORIGINAL: hermanhum

ORIGINAL: Bucks

3. 32000kt speed

32000kt speed appears in window when cruise or loiter button selected

Yes it does...

Again, thanks for your re-confirmation of this buggy behaviour.

You censored the post, something you have constantly accused others of doing to you! What it's ok if it suits you but no one should dare attempt to censor/edit/present in a different light/misrepresent you?

So I'll post it here again and people can read the whole thing without you being selective to suit your own purposes whatever they may be... If you don't understand why this isn't a bug, maybe you should fess up to playing in scenedit all the time...

Harpoon3ScenarioEditor.exe is used to construct scenarios

Harpoon3.exe is used to play the game

So read what I typed and please tell me why the hell it's a bug????? I explained this to a friend of mine yesterday and he has never played Harpoon in his life yet was able to understand immediately what was happening.

Yes it does...

But only in scenedit. The "aircraft" you're indicating is NOT VISIBLE is the SP version of the game. It is an internal function of the game and unless you're viewing the game and it's running in Scenedit, you won't see it.

In fact if you also turn the "View ALL" setting off you won't see it either.

NOT AN ISSUE - lack of full description here makes it appear to be an issue it's not.

[Bucks]

Mr Hum,

If we fix the list, will you simply vanish like so much mist in the morning sun?

I mean without your list will you still have a life?

If you continue to defame the people working on the development of this game I believe you are fair game for whatever I want to throw at you. I will throw it until it sticks and you're covered in it.

We went as far as setting up a specific Mantis installation for the public (that's you Herman, you not part of this officially, just another pleb). You listed these "newly created issues" here on a public forum, and obviously refused to cooperate in fixing anything. Do you throw your rubbish/trash over your neighbour's fence and hope he cleans it up for you?

When explanations are given you ignore them, why? maybe they don't suit your agenda. I mean that you have an agenda and if you were serious about helping fix these issues you'd put them somewhere where they'd do some good. Instead you simply continue with this list of yours and expect people to bow to you for maintaining something that has no effect on the game.

I urged AGSI to deal with your list, not you. So basically getting these issues dealt with is due to Russell Sharp and I and has little to do with you. I offered explanations and you simply selectively pasted part of my explanation and said I was confirming a bug by explaining it? Then you wonder why I stoop to,

And the obligatory name-calling and pro-forma personal attack whenever logic fails and folks refuse to listen and obey...

Why would you refuse to listen?

Where did I ask you to obey?

How can logic fail?

What constitutes an answer to your issues? We need to know so we can word them in an acceptable form for you, oh Mr Harpoon.

[hermanhum]

ORIGINAL: Bucks

So read what I typed and please tell me why the hell it's a bug?????

It's a bug because it also happens in MP. (As anyone who actually plays the game would have known.)

[hermanhum]

ORIGINAL: Bucks

Mr Hum,

[Rant deleted]

So, is this considered a personal attack, name-calling, or baiting by AGSI?

[Bucks]

I'm eight years old and proud of it.

[hermanhum]

ORIGINAL: Vincenzo Beretta

Funny: I thought that what kept this game a 'might-have-been' was its almost unprecedented bugginess. Of course pointing out bugs can cause "distrurbances in the Force", so, maybe, what you are looking at is a side effect. [8|]

Naw, it's just an old Jedi mind trick:

AGSI Jedi: You don't need to see his identification.
Weak-minded minion: We don't need to see his identification.

AGSI Jedi: These aren't the bugs you're looking for
Weak-minded minion: These aren't the bugs we're looking for

AGSI Jedi: He can go about his business.
Weak-minded minion: He can go about his business.

[Bucks]

No this is all me mate, I'm not an employee of AGSI. I just help them, you know doing something constructive, not destructive like you.

You want to take the gloves off, go right ahead. I might start looking through that copy of everyone else's work you pass off as your own (the Plagiarised Database) and start to expose you for what you are.

Have you removed my work from the PDB? I'm serious I want everything you took from the HUD/HUD-II removed from what you're publishing immediately. Why should I do the work and you get the credit??? Yeah I know the DB won't work anymore. Should have thought about that before you copied it...

I'm sick of you and your attitude, your constant snide remarks. Hum, if you can produce a game better than harpoon, go right ahead and then come back here and criticise to your heart's content. Otherwise shut up and accept what you get, people like you don't even deserve that. If this was a firing squad I'd offer you a blindfold or a cigarette, not both.

[hermanhum]

I'm sorry.  You misconstrued my remarks.  I'm asking the AGSI representative if these remarks of yours are:

1) Name-calling
2) Personal attack
3) Baiting

This message is addressed to Mr. Sharp.

[Bucks]

Rusty's out for the night, you'll just have to wait. While you are, you can start pulling that copied material from the database of yours.

[hermanhum]

ORIGINAL: Bucks

If we fix the list, will you simply vanish like so much mist in the morning sun?

Nope. But I'll be able to concentrate on playing and writing new scenarios without having to worry about finding work-arounds for such obvious bugs and wondering how new changes are going break my existing work.

It is pointless to say anything else so long as Russell Sharp and AGSI continue to openly practice censorship at Matrix by making embarassing things 'disappear' from this forum.

[rsharp@advancedgamin]

Who censored what?

Would you post a link to the censored post?

[hermanhum]

Right here:

ORIGINAL: rsharp@advancedgamin

Hey folks,

First off, I would like to express my appreciation for Herman's (and others') efforts in collecting these issues. It is no small feat to manage such a large list of any sort and keep it up to date.

Second, Darren Buckley and I have set up an issue tracker outside of AGSI that will help manage this list and our efforts for handling it. It public and will always remain so. We are looking to keep the process as transparent as possible. The issue tracker is adminstered by Darren and myself in our spare time. With that in mind, you can login anonymously:

http://hud3.harpoon5.com/mantis/login_page.php

You can also view the stats on how we have handled the issues in the list.

http://hud3.harpoon5.com/mantis/summary_page.php

Further, you will be able to see what issues have been resolved for the next release. This system is an efficient way for handling such a sizable list of issues and prevents duplication of efforts. To further that, I'd like to extend an invitation to Herman for Developer status in this issue tracker. He will be able to manage issues in the system, create new users, and otherwise share control of the issue tracker.

We also invite anyone else to give their input on issues. There are several issues we have marked as needing feedback because of missing test scenarios or our not being able to reproduce them. Further, the public can now report issues they encounter using this issue tracker under the Public project. You can switch projects using the drop-down list in the upper right corner of the web application.

We want to establish a public and even-handed approach to handling these issues.

Anyone interested?

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After starting up a Mantis bug-tracking system, and encouraging everyone to join it and abandon other systems and sites, it is now 'inaccessible'

Not Found

The requested URL /mantis/login_page.php was not found on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

Thank goodness the bug lists on other sites were not removed. Otherwise, there would be no good tally on the condition of the game.

According to the quote, only Russell Sharp and Darren Buckley had access to the new Mantis system. So, who pulled the plug on it in hopes of deleting all institutional memory of the bugs it contained?

p.s. I wouldn't try and go back to 'replace/re-activate' your deleted system. If it happened once, it can happen again. Which is why I posted:

ORIGINAL: hermanhum

ORIGINAL: rsharp@advancedgamin

Let me reiterate an invitation to join us in the issue tracker we have set up to tackle your list. There are files we can't find and some issues we need further feedback to replicate some of the issues. We look forward to you and anyone else joining up to help us move forward with the game in a public manner.

Yes, I have read through the new AGSI tracking system and I think I'll decline that invitation. There seems to be no problem in how the list is already maintained on HarPlonkHQ. (http://www.harplonkhq.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18)

The previous invitation to discuss the list on HarPlonkHQ remains open to everyone interested in doing so. I feel more comfortable entering data into a system not controlled by AGSI, as I've previously stated to Mr. Gilman. Past experience has shown me that this is the best way to proceed. I know that all the list contributors wish Darren Buckley and Russel Sharp success with their Mantis bug-tracking system.

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ORIGINAL: rsharp@advancedgamin

I pubicly guaruntee that your input on the project will not be censored. Still, if we cannot find a middle ground then we will forced to duplicate our efforts.

There seems to be an issue with HarplonkHQ not accepting my gmail account. I'll PM you the e-mail. Please set up an account under the user name Russell and I can start working on these issues.

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I saw this one coming over a year ago. I just wish that I had the same luck picking lottery ticket numbers. [:D]

[rsharp@advancedgamin]

So something strange happened to corrupt the Mantis installation. Our SysOp fixed it and now it is back up.

http://hud3.harpoon5.com/mantis-1.1.1/

No data was lost and I'll have the url fixed. Just something screwy with the web app. We do keep weekly back ups of the data so if we had lost some data it would only be a some days worth.

So something natural happened (Murphy's Law) but it's not censorship. We have nothing to gain from pulling the issue tracker.

Any other cases of censorship?

By the way, we have arranged for a more systematic handling of the list there. You can expect to see more progress being made in that issue tracker and eventually the main AGSI tracker when we open it. We also have nothing to gain from discounting bug reports for the sake of discounting. Anything marked closed or unable to reproduce will come to me and then I'll go to you, Herman, so we can get to the bottom of it.

Thanks,

[hermanhum]

ORIGINAL: rsharp@advancedgamin

So something strange happened to corrupt the Mantis installation. Our SysOp fixed it and now it is back up.

http://hud3.harpoon5.com/mantis-1.1.1/

No data was lost and I'll have the url fixed. Just something screwy with the web app. We do keep weekly back ups of the data so if we had lost some data it would only be a some days worth.

So something natural happened (Murphy's Law) but it's not censorship. We have nothing to gain from pulling the issue tracker.

And we can believe as much of that as we like. Sure, the dog ate your homework...

Okay, it's back up. Unfortunately, it's now behind another password-protected firewall. The previous page didn't have this requirement. Which, of course, makes me wonder if this is the same page you've resurrected. Of course, we'll never know if it was a deliberate attempt from Darrenly Buckley to delete or an honest-to-God accident.

ORIGINAL: rsharp@advancedgamin

Any other cases of censorship?

By the way, we have arranged for a more systematic handling of the list there. You can expect to see more progress being made in that issue tracker and eventually the main AGSI tracker when we open it. We also have nothing to gain from discounting bug reports for the sake of discounting. Anything marked closed or unable to reproduce will come to me and then I'll go to you, Herman, so we can get to the bottom of it.

At least something is back up. Any problems you have can be posted here for discussion and I'll try to offer clarification.

[rsharp@advancedgamin]

Working on the configuration (which was lost) now so that it will allow anonymous access.

Technical quibbling: While the data is the same, the 'pages' are from a new Mantis installation. So the issues, comments, and meta-data, everything that matters, is the same.

Not knowing never stops you from speculating to make a point.

Thanks,

[hermanhum]

ORIGINAL: rsharp@advancedgamin

Not knowing never stops you from speculating to make a point.

And I speculated this exact 'accident' one year prior. Just call me Mr. Nostradamus!

Again, thank goodness the original contents were protected on a deletion-free forum like HarPlonkHQ.

[Bucks]

Do you know what shut up means. Just give it a rest. Your arrogance is offensive to say the least.

If you want to claim I delibrately deleted the installation, I have time and the Federal Magistrate's court here in Melbourne does, to hear your defamatory comments. I've already engaged one of the leading Commercial Solicitors here in Melbourne. Make yourself available and we'll be more than happy to listen to your claims. If you have proof to back them up that is? Or is this more of Herman shooting his mouth off?

BTW. My lawyer also specialises in copyright infringement, just so you know. I was thinking of getting in touch with Ragnar and seeing if he wanted to turn this into a class action.

Any update as to the removal of my work from the PDB?

Cheers

Darren

[hermanhum]

By all means.  Any time you're ready.  Bring it on since you obviously aren't able to fix or identify bugs (the entire point of this thread).

[FransKoenz]

ORIGINAL: Bucks

Do you know what shut up means. Just give it a rest. Your arrogance is offensive to say the least.

Didn't you know article 1 & 2?

Article 1: Herman Hum is always right;

Article 2: In cases that Herman is not right, article 1 is automaticly applicable.

Greetz,
Taitennek [;)]