COTA - Sometimes things do go according to plan!

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COTA - Sometimes things do go according to plan!

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Don't you just love it when things actually do go according to plan?

Here you see a small portion of a larger battle (another fighting withdrawal for the Allies). Now, there are numerous potential locations on the map to hold or delay the Germans. But I decided to put my very scant resources into this one piece of real estate. After this bridge, the road network branches out leaving the Germans with options and me with dilemmas. (Further complicated by the fact that I am largely on foot and they are in tanks and trucks.)

So, I took whatever I had and threw it into the pot and bet everything on this one hand. You see all my ATG platoons and engineering companies dug-in to deny this one bridge to the enemy. I even willing sacrificed one infantry company by having them deploy to the far bank as a picket line so that my arty could hit the Germans as they advanced on the bridge.

Well, we repelled a strong attack in the afternoon. So then, they tried to sneak their way across at night.

BOOM! (scratch one heavy road bridge)

I just won this hand! This is going to delay them for quite a while. In the meantime, my infantry Bde will have the time they need to march South and withdraw to fight another day.

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one infantry company by having them deploy to the far bank as a picket line so that my arty could hit the Germans as they advanced


Not sure of the connection between ther 2 activities - but I love it when a plan comes together!


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Joe,

Before you can hit the enemy with arty someone has to see the enemy.

Sometimes, you can engineer that with a unit on the high ground with a good field of view. However, if the high ground offers no cover, then they will be quite exposed. Once they themselves are spotted its going to be a tough position to hold.

Another option is to push a unit out ahead of your main line of resistance. This also gives you eyes on the enemy earlier than before you are in full contact with them. In this case, the spotting unit was able to dig-in in good cover; they managed to hold their position quite well. (I didn't really have any elevated positions over looking the engagement area.)

Another reason for my chosen approach is that elevated positions work well for calling in arty during day light. However, at night, they often fail to see anything. On the other hand, at night, a unit deployed forward and close to the enemy's line of march will be much more likely to make a contact report.

I hope that clears the confusion about my statement.
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Ah, let me just add a little more to this.

Observe ATG platoon "33.7" to the East. They actually have a position which gave decent LOS over the German line of march for quite a few kilometers during daylight hours. However, they were easily spotted by the enemy and very heavily pounded by his arty. Thus, they were forced back quite a few times as compared to infantry company "B.25" to the North which held their ground.
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Markshot,

After your beta testing do you still find the scenario's challenging? I always do in HttR but I doubt I've played as much as you have.

You certainly sound like you still enjoy playing (you have a contagious enthusiasm!) even after all the beta testing. Thanks for sharing your games with us [:)]
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You're welcome. I just wish Dave would finish COTA already so that there would be someone else to discuss the game with beyond the handful of PG beta testers!

I do love this engine. It just keeps getting better.

These days, the truth is that I win a lot more often than I lose while testing. However, I still find the battles quite enjoyable, since it is not a matter of just having figured out how the AI behaves. Rather I win, because I have correctly analyzed the situation and developed an effective solution for the problem put before me.

I always play with order delays maxed out and otherwise take the default options. However, I am sure if I set reinforcements and supply options against me (and possibly weather too) that things would be extremely hard.

It's only taken me four years to get to this point. When I started playing, I couldn't win even replaying the same scenario over and over again.
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I feel your frustration! [:D]

Thanks for an honest answer. I'm really impressed with the HttR AI but, as you can't alter the starting positions, if you play the scenario enough times I guess you'll learn how to win. (However good the AI is)

Imagine a game based on the HttR/CotA engine which allows you to create random battles (like SPWaW).

I understand why Dave wouldn't be keen on this but, if it were restricted to the current games oob, it would really be a pulling point for buyers and still allow him to release add on/sequels that would enhance the game and keep people buying.

Either way, I can't wait for CotA.. I'm looking forward to being able to chat with you about the game after it's realeased! [:)]
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Banquet,

Actually in the ScenMaker you can specify multiple reinforcement schedules with the same force having a different location. By having all forces arrive as reinforcements you can therefore get multiple variations. We use this in a number of HTTR scenarios, including the Battle of the Bases scenarios for the different maps.

Creating a scenario generator, would be a BIG new feature. I'll add it to the wish list but no promises for when it will get a guernsey.

TT2758 - SM - UI - Scenario Generator - to generate random scenarios
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Creating a scenario generator, would be a BIG new feature. I'll add it to the wish list but no promises for when it will get a guernsey.

TT2758 - SM - UI - Scenario Generator - to generate random scenarios

So a future game in the series will feature bovine units in a scenario generator?
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Banquet,

Actually in the ScenMaker you can specify multiple reinforcement schedules with the same force having a different location. By having all forces arrive as reinforcements you can therefore get multiple variations. We use this in a number of HTTR scenarios, including the Battle of the Bases scenarios for the different maps.

Creating a scenario generator, would be a BIG new feature. I'll add it to the wish list but no promises for when it will get a guernsey.

TT2758 - SM - UI - Scenario Generator - to generate random scenarios

I understand it would be a big new feature.. and a lot of work. Certainly if it could be incorporated in a future release that would be fantastic! I love the aspect of SPWaW where you can choose what side you want to play, choose how many 'points' are available and then pick your units and have the AI pick a similar sized force and deploy them.

Obviously SPWaW has a huge database but this series is pretty good too. And being able to do something similar in a future game would really extend the longevity of the games.

For the moment I'm sure I'll be more than happy with CotA [:)]
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So a future game in the series will feature bovine units in a scenario generator?
Strange as it might sound the term "guernsey" is also used here as the name for a shirt worn by footballers. Hence to get a guersey means to be picked/selected to play for the team. The wonders of the english language.[:)]
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So a future game in the series will feature bovine units in a scenario generator?

TT3953i - SM - DB - Battle Cattle - add model for bovine combat units

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LOL
The Greek Shorthorns' speed is under-modelled! We need a patch!

Oh well, I will just go back to waiting mood.

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Oh well, I will just go back to waiting mood.

Added to the wishlist;

TT3954 - SM - Misc - Release game

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Once this is "gold", will it be available for immediate download?

Any sort of email notification for this event? I don't get over here all that often, and I'd sure hate to miss a day of playing. [:D]
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Just give Dave your home address and he'll set up a TRP right on your home office for an instant barrage when it gets released. :)
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Once this is "gold", will it be available for immediate download?

Any sort of email notification for this event? I don't get over here all that often, and I'd sure hate to miss a day of playing. [:D]

I've just added you to my "spam" list of people/websites to "inform" :)

Greetz,

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So seriously guys, correct me if I'm wrong: "there is only one bug to be removed (the sync stuff in multiplayer), all other things are a go"?

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At the risk of repeating myself, I like to remind people that :
  • "Any non-trivial program has at least one bug."
  • "There may be an infinite number of unknown bugs."

[;)]

Hopefully it won't take long...

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