Moderators - PLEASE stop locking threads

[castor troy]

Hi!

Until today I had no idea why longterm forum members suddenly are leaving the forum just to find out there is a discussion going about some new or not so new forum rules which seems to turn into some kind of forum massacre. PLEASE! May I ask you to at least not lock all those threads? I'm not trying to dispute the forum rules (if I agree with them or not doesn't matter here) but if you keep scaring all those people away that have been on the forum for over a decade you can as well bury the game.

I'm not asking you to allow pictures that are against your policy, personal attacks or the like. But looking at the first page of the forum seeing no less than 6 threads being locked is totally odd to be honest. This is not a childish Pokemon forum but it seems to turn exactly into this direction.

I'm sure Matrix, or Slitherine or whoever runs this forum and owns the rights on the games at some point realized that much of WITP's and WITP AE's success (and I mean commercial success) is directly related to the community. Be it the forum, be it betatesters, be it the forum members that were part of the development of WITP AE and the many mods. Now if you act like this and scare away at least halve a dozen forum members that have been here for 10 years or way longer you are also going to kill a lot of what is part of this game and surely also the reputation of Matrix Games, or Slitherine if that's the boss company here now.

While I ask the forum members to calm down I also ask the moderator(s) to think about what is going on here at the moment. If this is going across the cliff, you managed to ruin a forum that is all but racist, sexist or whatever politically incorrect. It seems you don't seem to realize what kind of special place this is or how many game forums do you know that have so many long term members pretty much showing up daily or several days a week?

The AAR section on this forum has probably earned Matrix more money than any paid marketing action. It's really sad that this seems to be thrown out of the window in such a short time span. [:(] For example, 17 years ago I stumbled over a computer game called War in the Pacific, saw the price of 100 USD and just thought LOL, are they crazy? Game prices back then was like 40-50 USD at best. I was still curios about the game and what did I do? I was reading on the forum and in fact it was this that made me buy the game in the end, following AE too of course. It was not your marketing that made me buy this game, it was the forum actually and I'm sure there are still people nowadays that feel the same, so many years later.

[mattj78]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

Hi!

Until today I had no idea why longterm forum members suddenly are leaving the forum just to find out there is a discussion going about some new or not so new forum rules which seems to turn into some kind of forum massacre. PLEASE! May I ask you to at least not lock all those threads? I'm not trying to dispute the forum rules (if I agree with them or not doesn't matter here) but if you keep scaring all those people away that have been on the forum for over a decade you can as well bury the game.

I'm not asking you to allow pictures that are against your policy, personal attacks or the like. But looking at the first page of the forum seeing no less than 6 threads being locked is totally odd to be honest. This is not a childish Pokemon forum but it seems to turn exactly into this direction.

I'm sure Matrix, or Slitherine or whoever runs this forum and owns the rights on the games at some point realized that much of WITP's and WITP AE's success (and I mean commercial success) is directly related to the community. Be it the forum, be it betatesters, be it the forum members that were part of the development of WITP AE and the many mods. Now if you act like this and scare away at least halve a dozen forum members that have been here for 10 years or way longer you are also going to kill a lot of what is part of this game and surely also the reputation of Matrix Games, or Slitherine if that's the boss company here now.

While I ask the forum members to calm down I also ask the moderator(s) to think about what is going on here at the moment. If this is going across the cliff, you managed to ruin a forum that is all but racist, sexist or whatever politically incorrect. It seems you don't seem to realize what kind of special place this is or how many game forums do you know that have so many long term members pretty much showing up daily or several days a week?

The AAR section on this forum has probably earned Matrix more money than any paid marketing action. It's really sad that this seems to be thrown out of the window in such a short time span. [:(]

I bought this game because of your last aar which i followed for a long time and i agree with your comment I'm playing nomad now in my first pbem game and he has been fantastic with his advice and time now matrix has run him off with a few other veteran's i think they went way overboard should of been handled much better considering some of the stuff they market I have been on the fence about buying wite 2 i own quite a few matrix titles now I wont be parting with any more money matrix just lost a very good customer

[tolsdorff]

Yes, I agree.

A lot of people nowadays see problems wherever there were not that many to begin with.

And if there were, it could have been handled a lot better. Current events feel like a troup of rabid dogs came rushing in, smashing everything in its path. CErtainly not the claimed soft-touch.

It is not a personal attack to tell an admin that he is not suited at all for the job. It's constructive criticism right? Edmon managed to alienate at least half the forum here in 3 days time. Mostly by banning Kull. That he is not unbanned yet, does not speak well.

I fear that when all is said and done, there won't be many decent forumites left.

[Yaab]

What, Kull is banned? The Hammer of Matrix is upon us!!!

[tolsdorff]

ORIGINAL: Yaab

What, Kull is banned? The Hammer of Matrix is upon us!!!

Yes, the kindest person on the forum, and that's saying a lot.
for a week or so I believe.

Better hide, you never know where the Hammer will strike next!

[Edmon]

ORIGINAL: tolsdorff

Yes, I agree.

A lot of people nowadays see problems wherever there were not that many to begin with.

And if there were, it could have been handled a lot better. Current events feel like a troup of rabid dogs came rushing in, smashing everything in its path. CErtainly not the claimed soft-touch.

It is not a personal attack to tell an admin that he is not suited at all for the job. It's constructive criticism right? Edmon managed to alienate at least half the forum here in 3 days time. Mostly by banning Kull. That he is not unbanned yet, does not speak well.

I fear that when all is said and done, there won't be many decent forumites left.

So lets be clear on the facts here:

I locked a thread that had pinups posted to it and not 2 pages earlier, it had thinly veiled porn. No-one was warned or banned and that time and the community was invited to make a new thread without the rule-breaking content.

A huge issue was made of this, we explained our reasoning and the thread discussing the discussion was closed.

Kull reopened the thread, ignoring our request that future discussion should be sent to us via PM and was given some time-out for this. Others joined in and those threads were locked also.

I undid the timeout 7 or so hours ago, so kull is no longer banned and has not been for a while.


These threads have been closed because they are just become a place to vent about the new policies we have in place, which have been in place for a few months now and which we are now enforcing. Much the same as when the policies were introduced.

It is deeply unfortunate that there has been this sort of reaction, but locking that thread was the right decision and I stand by it.

I hope this answers your questions.

[RangerJoe]

It was not porn, it was part of a plant.

I remember when someone posted a picture of a tree on an AAR and it received 6 pages of comments before the next turn was completed. Needless to state that his opponent thought that there was huge operation planned in the game.

I also saw WITP in the store and I did not purchase it due to the price. Then I read an AAR which got me interested in the game.

The people who complain are probably the same ones who idolize a certain individual who had a porno video go mainstream and then had a show about that individual. I know what I would call someone who received $5 million USD for being married to someone for about 90 days . . .

There were people who drove long time forum members away due to their pushing of their ideological and political agendas on other members. These appear to be the same people complaining about the pictures and . . .

[Panjack]

Edmon, I support the end you want to achieve. But the means you are using is having unintended negative consequences. This has been pointed out by several people.

When you respond to complaints about the means you are using, you go back to repeating things about the end and ask that we accept the end. This misses the point and is almost perverse.

I see little harm if people to vent, complain, whine, and criticize the new policy. This is part of working things out. But by suppressing such discussions, you are likely causing harm with little benefit to anything. Yes, you want to keep complaints from going overboard, but the suppression of all complaints, and even discussion, is a bad idea.

[Panjack]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

It was not porn, it was part of a plant.

If you were a 12-year-old, I could appreciate your being a smart aleck.

But you're an adult, and this answer is disingenuous and embarrassing.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Panjack

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

It was not porn, it was part of a plant.

If you were a 12-year-old, I could appreciate your being a smart aleck.

But you're an adult, and this answer is disingenuous and embarrassing.

So a personal attack on me?

I publicly ask Edmon, Eric Rutins, and/or Iain McNeil to ban you for making such an attack on me in violation of the forum rules:

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[Kull]

Back from the Gulag - my deepest thanks and appreciation for those who spoke out on my behalf. Many of them were apparently banned for so doing, and hopefully those have been reversed as well.

[Erik Rutins]

Please see my post here:

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5129183

[Kull]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

So a personal attack on me?

RJ - Emotions are high, and rightly so, but I do think it would be beneficial to hold off on this. There's more than one way to approach an issue, but that one won't work.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Kull

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

So a personal attack on me?

RJ - Emotions are high, and rightly so, but I do think it would be beneficial to hold off on this. There's more than one way to approach an issue, but that one won't work.

I do not withdraw my request.

[Panjack]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
So a personal attack on me?

Your contribution to making this a better forum is for you to re-think your behavior. For some time you were Mr. Swastika, and then you decided to become Mini-Alfred (rude to new members but without his knowledge). Now you've decided be behave like a precocious 12-year old.

Those who behave like smart aleck 12-year-olds can expect that moderators will treat them (and others!) like 12-year-olds who need strong parental punishments.

You clearly get something from behaving these ways, but at the cost of making this a worse place to visit.

Please consider how you can improve the forum instead of using the forum for your own selfish purposes.

[Erik Rutins]

This is my last check-in for today. Please, please keep things civil.

Rangerjoe, it was both a plant and an inappropriate post that was meant to cross the line of the rules. It does not have to be one or the other. It was also however from last year and too old for immediate action. The more recent posts were the actionable infractions.

Panjack, while I think your intentions may be good and your original post was arguably on the borderline of a personal attack, this last reply definitely does cross it and you'll never convince anyone by arguing that way. Consider this a warning, we all need to be able to disagree with civility, even when we strongly disagree.

Separately, in terms of the comment you made about rudeness to new members, if you see anyone violating the forum rules in terms of civility, just share a link with me via PM and I'll take a look when I am able.

Regards,

- Erik

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Panjack

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
So a personal attack on me?

Your contribution to making this a better forum is for you to re-think your behavior. For some time you were Mr. Swastika, and then you decided to become Mini-Alfred (rude to new members but without his knowledge). Now you've decided be behave like a precocious 12-year old.

Those who behave like smart aleck 12-year-olds can expect that moderators will treat them (and others!) like 12-year-olds who need strong parental punishments.

You clearly get something from behaving these ways, but at the cost of making this a worse place to visit.

Please consider how you can improve the forum instead of using the forum for your own selfish purposes.

Again, more insults. I renew my public call for this individual to be banned for violating the rules.

[Panjack]

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Panjack, while I think your intentions may be good....

I stand, hat in hand, chastised.

[Alpha77]

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5129032

Here a thread locked, so I continue here...

Hans was not correct, he said EDOM is satan? I mean I am curious how he comes to this conclusion perhaps he sees this thread here and answers.

Per "biblical" history, edomites were:

https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-s ... bible.html


Here a snippet:

"The Edomites worshiped multiple gods. Hope Bolinger explains for Christianity.com, “Qos, the chief god of the Edomites, stood out amounts the pantheon fertility gods. The One True God is a jealous God, and throughout the biblical narrative, we witness His righteous and just reaction to those who refuse to respond given His longstanding patience. “They intermarried with the conquered population,” Easton’s Bible Dictionary informs. The Edomites were eventually overtaken and forced to consider Judaism, and they were involved in the attack and plunder of the City of Jerusalem. The entire people group was eventually wiped out."

So they were wiped out..[:D]

[Alpha77]

ORIGINAL: Panjack

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Panjack, while I think your intentions may be good....

I stand, hat in hand, chastised.

[:-]

You might used a word w/ "sexual undertones"

This word relates to "Chastity-belt"




Lets hope the mods do not see you used this bad word [X(]