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Submitted Giving Some Hell to Harry, 2022 (Submitted 1-12-2022)

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Updated below (01-02-2022)...

So a YouTube "Comrade Blinkov" video on the Russian Project 885M Yasen-M Class submarine versus an American CSG got me interested in this class. So here is a little scenario where a single Yasen Class (AKA Severodvinsk class; AKA Graney class) SSN/SSGN takes on the currently deployed CSG-8 in the central Med.

It plays pretty quickly, I've played it about five times and sank the carrier each time (died twice in the process).

So have fun, and here is that video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7bEkON7ipM

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RE: PT Giving Some Hell to Harry, 2022 (12-29-2022)

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I am considering adding a Lua script with random alternating sonar from the escorts. In my day that was almost a mortal sin, but wonder, with increasing ambient noise, has the USN taken a different policy? With satellites and social media seems like secret movement is almost impossible, so why not?

Anyone have any thoughts on this? SeaQueen?
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RE: PT Giving Some Hell to Harry, 2022 (12-29-2022)

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BD great so far!. I'm creeping in.

One thing is the wrong sizzler is loaded. Somebody build the kazan with the second stage booster which only has a range of 20nm. You need the full missile (it has the second stage booster as a payload). You can also dump and go straight Onyx if its easier. I added a DB request to fix it[:)]

Other issue is Truman does use Nulka (likely for this very kind of threat). Mk.53 with Nulka's is in the db. Just add as mount. Pretty sure there is a mount on each side. Added that db request yesterday.

Will report in when I finish or got bottomed!

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RE: PT Giving Some Hell to Harry, 2022 (12-29-2022)

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Fantastic job! I got bottomed almost in firing range (or at least what I thought would be). Managed to get 5 onyx off before I bit it and they got wiped[:)]

Pedantic Feedback/Observations from an idiot that lost:

Very deepwater scenario. Sub can go deeper than Mk.54 and .50 envelopes. Where I went wrong was the Stringray on Nansen's helicopter. I got killed being cocky. Might want to beef it up with a NATO sub trailing or something like that. A good lesson for dumbheads like me to learn.

CVN group going 16 knots which is good for flight ops but escorts could get better use out of their towed arrays by sprint drifting. Regardless I started getting a little nervous about a 2 CZ's out until I saw the consistent speed.

I used traffic (I think) but it would have been better if there were established shipping lanes etc. instead of the patrol mission.



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RE: PT Giving Some Hell to Harry, 2022 (12-29-2022)

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ORIGINAL: BeirutDude

I am considering adding a Lua script with random alternating sonar from the escorts. In my day that was almost a mortal sin, but wonder, with increasing ambient noise, has the USN taken a different policy? With satellites and social media seems like secret movement is almost impossible, so why not?

Anyone have any thoughts on this? SeaQueen?

It certainly makes sense to me. Back in the eighties, the British were doing passive ASW against relatively noisy nuclear submarines from the USSR, but when they were faced with the need to find quiet Argentinian diesel boats in the Falklands they made extensive use of active sonar. I see no reason why the USN wouldn't do the same thing when faced with an ultra-quiet SSN.
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RE: PT Giving Some Hell to Harry, 2022 (12-29-2022)

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One thing is the wrong sizzler is loaded. Somebody build the kazan with the second stage booster which only has a range of 20nm. You need the full missile (it has the second stage booster as a payload). You can also dump and go straight Onyx if its easier. I added a DB request to fix it

Worse that Sizzler has to be launched from the surface (like an Echo II) and I bought it trying to launch them. I'm going to go over to the Onyx for now.
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RE: PT Giving Some Hell to Harry, 2022 (12-29-2022)

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It certainly makes sense to me. Back in the eighties, the British were doing passive ASW against relatively noisy nuclear submarines from the USSR, but when they were faced with the need to find quiet Argentinian diesel boats in the Falklands they made extensive use of active sonar. I see no reason why the USN wouldn't do the same thing when faced with an ultra-quiet SSN.

Yeah, would be neat to know what the actual practice is. What's scary is we thought the Dipping Sonar was almost unbeatable back then, not any more.
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RE: PT Giving Some Hell to Harry, 2022 (12-29-2022)

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I used traffic (I think) but it would have been better if there were established shipping lanes etc. instead of the patrol mission.

Or both. Shipping lanes for the bigger vessels and Teleport/Sea Control Mission for the smaller vessels and more coastal traffic!

Also Adjusted the missiles and speed of the CSG.
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RE: PT Giving Some Hell to Harry, 2022 (12-29-2022)

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Just did another test run, still trying to get away, so not completely done. Dodged 15 USN torpedoes, sank Harry, USS Cole and USS Port Royal. Don’t know if I’m getting out as the American Capitalists are pissed! Torpedoes just splashed down on three sides of me. Even 35 knots might not save me this time.
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RE: PT Giving Some Hell to Harry, 2022 (Updated 12-29-2022)

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It bothered me that two things were happening...

1. As far as I could tell the P-8A's weren't engaging. Well that is because I loaded them with M54 HAAWC's which is a BOL launch weapon only. No human to launch no attack! Switched them to Barracuda's, which have a deeper attack depth anyway. The Kasan was just sailing under the Mark 54 LHTs which is why 15 Torpedoes missed me and I could penetrate the screen to get the HVU/Carrier.

2. I noted the ASW Patrols weren't engaging. I increased them to 2 aircraft per patrol mission and limited the Station/Attack altitudes to 500' AGL (AWL) and set the mission to Weapons Free (so they kill some electronic fish/whales! This is War!!!!!!).

So I think this will be much more challenging, and realistic. I'm sorry but the only times I died was when I came above 1800 FT and that just doesn't make sense! It was because of the torpedoes and settings.

Happy New Year/2022 ALL!

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RE: PT Giving Some Hell to Harry, 2022 (Updated 12-29-2022)

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Happy New Year to you too and thanks for all the scenarios!

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RE: PT Giving Some Hell to Harry, 2022 (Updated 12-29-2022)

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Just looking at this the Mk.50 is 69 feet short of being able to hit the Kazan. This is probably an estimation that is not really lining up with the game model. I'd hit the db dudes for a change.
I'd extend torpedoes depth rating or reduce Kazan's max dive depth.

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RE: PT Giving Some Hell to Harry, 2022 (Updated 12-29-2022)

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I removed the satellites as I had an Email from someone pointing out the sub wouldn't have that data at depth. So until I can figure out how to give them the satellite/comms info when shallow but not deep have removed the satellites.
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RE: PT Giving Some Hell to Harry, 2022 (Updated 12-29-2022)

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01-02-2022 update...

Actually. thanks to some help on the Lua Legion Forum, I have a Lua function that will provide satellite data if the Kasan is above 41 meters/134.514 feet and the birds go neutral if the Kasan is below that depth. I suspect there is some kind of burst comms when a sub goes shallow, but I don't know that for sure. In any case more reason to go shallow occasionally.
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RE: PT Giving Some Hell to Harry, 2022 (Updated 12-29-2022)

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So far so good. Sat fix working great and adds a lot!

First attempt I got in front and attacked from them SE. Was hoping to go strickly torpedo. Dunham got a wiff of me maybe 3-4nm out (I was very deep) and dumped some torpedoes. I came up to Fizik depth a fired two and dove again (Fizik depth is still lower than Mk.54). I dodged the first pair. Dunham got sunk but got nailed by the Norwegian stingrays. Was hoping I could eat the damage, rise and fire but bad idea. Mk.54's actually kept me from rising and salvoing onyx for a pyrric. A bad outcome for me but really good gameplay-wise. Good job BD.

Second attempt now.[:)]

Sunk again. Perfect. Don't change a thing!

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So far so good. Sat fix working great and adds a lot!

First attempt I got in front and attacked from them SE. Was hoping to go strickly torpedo. Dunham got a wiff of me maybe 3-4nm out (I was very deep) and dumped some torpedoes. I came up to Fizik depth a fired two and dove again (Fizik depth is still lower than Mk.54). I dodged the first pair. Dunham got sunk but got nailed by the Norwegian stingrays. Was hoping I could eat the damage, rise and fire but bad idea. Mk.54's actually kept me from rising and salvoing onyx for a pyrric. A bad outcome for me but really good gameplay-wise. Good job BD.

Second attempt now.[:)]

Sunk again. Perfect. Don't change a thing!

Mike

Usually after a bit of playtesting I get sick of the scenario (especially Urgent Fury!) but I'm still having a blast with this one. So far with the Satellite fix I've lost two and won one. Getting that satellite fix gives you a lot of incentive to come shallow, to your peril!!!!
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RE: PT Giving Some Hell to Harry, 2022 (Updated 12-29-2022)

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Any further thoughts on this scenario? If not I will submit it.
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