Supply depots in West Germany - do I need them?

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husar99
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Supply depots in West Germany - do I need them?

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These are depots set up by 'AI depot management'. At turn 16 they seem to store a lot of supplies. Do I actually need them here? Do they have anything to do with Western Europe theater box?


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at this stage of the war no. Keep a couple in places like Stettin at pri 1 - that'll help get freight shipped in the Baltic.

just set the rest to pri 0, they'll quickly shed their freight, no point actually deleting as they could be useful in 1945

equally, they are not really competing with freight to the depots in the USSR, the relatively short haul from the NSS to these locations means they pull in relatively little of your rail movement capacity
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I remember that i had troubles refitting flak that were in the cities that were bombed by the allies when there was no freight.
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I set them all to priority 2 at the start. They will fill up in a couple of turns and stay filled, no need to do anything anymore.
I also set all ports to EXPORT and all city flaks to REFIT (you can take some away from their starting cities and use them on the front, but I don't think that is such a good idea).
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I don't disband and pretty much set all German depots (outside of E. Prussia) to '0' on turn 1.

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ORIGINAL: Yogol

I set them all to priority 2 at the start. They will fill up in a couple of turns and stay filled, no need to do anything anymore.
I also set all ports to EXPORT and all city flaks to REFIT (you can take some away from their starting cities and use them on the front, but I don't think that is such a good idea).
But fill-up means they will get 10,000 tons of freight just for a level 1 railyard, more for the bigger cities. That's easily a couple of 100 thousand tons that could have gone to the front line. And which never benefit you ever, other than if you play a GC right through to 1944-45 and fall back to Germany.
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ORIGINAL: loki100

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just set the rest to pri 0, they'll quickly shed their freight, no point actually deleting as they could be useful in 1945

Thanks for the confirmation, Joel. I have posted in the Scenario subforum that this should be the default in June 1941 for these depots. If they are not being used to supply any of the front line units or any air bases with air groups, then they should be zero priority. The player shouldn't have to do this.

I think we can assume from what you say, and my own experience seems to confirm, that those who think that a chain of active depots are required from the NSS to the front (as in the AGEOD games), are wrong. An NSS can send freight right to the depots acting as forward operating bases.

I set-up a band of priority 4 depots behind the front, and a band of priority 2 depots further back to supply the air groups. Most priority 4 depots get their freight direct from the NSS's. Very rarely do they draw anything from the priority 2 depots, even when these are much closer and have stocks not being used. Currently on Turn 17 in GC, I have three priority 4 depots near Odessa, one supplied directly by Berlin, one by Prague and one Bucharest. There is no chaining, even for Berlin to Odessa, despite all of the depots along the route.
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ORIGINAL: potski

But fill-up means they will get 10,000 tons of freight just for a level 1 railyard, more for the bigger cities. That's easily a couple of 100 thousand tons that could have gone to the front line. And which never benefit you ever, other than if you play a GC right through to 1944-45 and fall back to Germany.

The limit for the fright is not the total freight you haven but the railroads. And because the German cities are all connected so good, you don't get any less fright to the front in the first turns anyway.

There is no reason to keep them empty.

But I admit that there is no reason to keep them filled either, except for the few flaks in those cities, that supply will never be used until in 1944 or so once you lose one of the national centres and you can use it to draw supply from for a couple of turns.
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