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RE: PT: Nicaragua Missile Crisis (Ver 08-16-2021)

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Made it to just short of the ultimatum expiring on stream. So far I have to say the world building is superb. Al you've always been great at that but this is a whole new level. I love the news transcriptions. They make me want to go try to find some of the broadcasts from 1986 and add them into El Dorado Canyon.
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RE: PT: Nicaragua Missile Crisis (Ver 08-16-2021)

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I love the news transcriptions. They make me want to go try to find some of the broadcasts from 1986 and add them into El Dorado Canyon.

That would be very cool! Awesome actually!
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RE: PT: Nicaragua Missile Crisis (Ver 08-16-2021)

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Watching Kushan's streaming, I had an idea on how to deploy a "Hostile" sub (or two) to the Caribbean/Gulf and have it make sense from a real world scenario.
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RE: PT: Nicaragua Missile Crisis (Ver 08-16-2021)

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Was looking at the DF-100 for unrelated reasons, its anti-ship capable. I suddenly feel less secure about my aircraft carriers...

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I love the news transcriptions. They make me want to go try to find some of the broadcasts from 1986 and add them into El Dorado Canyon.
That would be very cool! Awesome actually!

May be a little hard to find the TV broadcast but I'll see what I can do. Aligns up with some other changes to the pre-attach warnings to Libya that I've been thinking about.

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Watching Kushan's streaming, I had an idea on how to deploy a "Hostile" sub (or two) to the Caribbean/Gulf and have it make sense from a real world scenario.

Have one take a short trip through the Panama Canal? [:D]
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RE: PT: Nicaragua Missile Crisis (Ver 08-16-2021)

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Have one take a short trip through the Panama Canal?

Not far off. How about a "good will tour" of South America (Venezuela) and the Caribbean (Cuba) with a Shang class SSN when things broke out. [:D] [:)] [8D]

Added a few new surprises since your broadcast/stream started based on some of what I saw/heard.
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RE: PT: Nicaragua Missile Crisis (reworked 08-16-2021)

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Updated Version 08-30-2021 is below

The points/changes discussed above and a few more twists added! [:D] [:)] [8D]

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RE: PT: Nicaragua Missile Crisis (reworked 08-16-2021)

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Love the scenario Al. Looking forward to playing it again, hopefully with some better planning on my part.

Couple of additional post stream thoughts.
1) Reduce the SSGNs tomahawk capacity to 1/2 - 3/4 max. Given the US tomahawk inventory I doubt they sail with a full load. A counter to that argument to be said that this close to CONUS, and for a situation like this, there might be an exception but for game play balance I think it makes sense to reduce it a little. I got really lucky on my mass launch taking out a number of the SAM FRC radars, but it also just ran a lot the PRC batteries out of missiles..

2) Increase the SAM magazine depths. Maybe add some supply trucks around the SAMs, with the supply trucks would contain the additional missiles. This would give the player the choice of either taking out the launchers or just having to take the ones on the launchers but take out their reloads; or dedicating weapons to take out both, thus depriving them of those weapons elsewhere.

3) Add some decoy DF-100s and maybe SAM launchers. The way Sharana did it in the BS300 live DLC was to take a normal unit and remove all the weapons from it, and in the case of SAMs had their radars on. If you do add them, I wouldn't mention them to the player. Let them find out the hard way. The one thing I wouldn't do that Sharana did in BS300 is put the decoys on a separate side. They should go on the main side (China in this case) that way the player has a harder time identifying them as decoys.
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RE: PT: Nicaragua Missile Crisis (reworked 08-16-2021)

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Couple of additional post stream thoughts.
1) Reduce the SSGNs tomahawk capacity to 1/2 - 3/4 max. Given the US tomahawk inventory I doubt they sail with a full load. A counter to that argument to be said that this close to CONUS, and for a situation like this it might be an exception but for game play balance I think it makes sense to reduce it a little. I got really lucky on my massie launch taking out a number of the SAM FRC radars, but it also just ran a lot the PRC batteries out of missiles..

I like that idea.
2) Increase the SAM magazine depths. Maybe add some supply trucks around the SAMs, with the supply trucks would contain the additional missiles. This would give the player the choice of either taking out the launchers or just having to take the ones on the launchers but take out their reloads; or dedicating weapons to take out both, thus depriving them of those weapons elsewhere
.

I tweaked the Magazines up and will look at the supply truck idea.
3) Add some decoy DF-100s and maybe SAM launchers. The way Sharana did it in the BS300 live DLC was to take a normal unit and remove all the weapons from it, and in the case of SAMs had their radars on. If you do add them, I wouldn't mention them to the player. Let them find out the hard way. The one thing I wouldn't do that Sharana did in BS300 is put the decoys on a separate side. They should go on the main side (China in this case) that way the player has a harder time identifying them as decoys.

I thought about exactly this when you said it but I'm trying to figure out how to not have them impact scoring (a separate side does that but the player would figure that out). How to put out a TEL without it being worth points?
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RE: PT: Nicaragua Missile Crisis (reworked 08-16-2021)

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3) Add some decoy DF-100s and maybe SAM launchers. The way Sharana did it in the BS300 live DLC was to take a normal unit and remove all the weapons from it, and in the case of SAMs had their radars on. If you do add them, I wouldn't mention them to the player. Let them find out the hard way. The one thing I wouldn't do that Sharana did in BS300 is put the decoys on a separate side. They should go on the main side (China in this case) that way the player has a harder time identifying them as decoys.

I thought about exactly this when you said it but I'm trying to figure out how to not have them impact scoring (a separate side does that but the player would figure that out). How to put out a TEL without it being worth points?

It's going to be a little annoying but make separate unit destroyed triggers for the real launchers. They can all be triggers for the same points event but because they are for specific units it should prevent the decoys from triggering the points event.
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RE: PT: Nicaragua Missile Crisis (reworked 08-16-2021)

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It's going to be a little annoying but make separate unit destroyed triggers for the real launchers. They can all be triggers for the same points event but because they are for specific units it should prevent the decoys from triggering the points event.

DUH, I was thinking about seeing if I could award points for destroying the DF-100s, but that would work! Back to basics!!!!!
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RE: PT: Nicaragua Missile Crisis (reworked 08-16-2021)

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It's going to be a little annoying but make separate unit destroyed triggers for the real launchers. They can all be triggers for the same points event but because they are for specific units it should prevent the decoys from triggering the points event.

DUH, I was thinking about seeing if I could award points for destroying the DF-100s, but that would work! Back to basics!!!!!

Done!
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RE: PT: Nicaragua Missile Crisis (reworked 08-16-2021)

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Updated on 08-30-2021

Tweaked PRC WRA (SAMs) and Missions with a few more adjustments. I had the PRC SAM Ranges too short This adjusts that. Also tweaked the Mission Preferences (number of flights) for the AAW strike missions.

My pay test last night had a much tougher PRC opponent but still with US resources it's still along haul for the PRC, as the US has home field advantage!
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RE: PT: Nicaragua Missile Crisis (reworked 08-16-2021)

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Giving it another go. Where the fighters at Homestead AFB always there or did I just miss/forget about them during my stream play through?

One thing that might be helpful, add RPs for the Chinese ADIZ.
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Giving it another go. Where the fighters at Homestead AFB always there or did I just miss/forget about them during my stream play through?

One thing that might be helpful, add RPs for the Chinese ADIZ.

Yeah they've always been there.

Good idea on the ADIZ.
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might be helpful, add RPs for the Chinese ADIZ.

Done
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RE: PT: Nicaragua Missile Crisis (reworked 08-16-2021)

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That was good. Enjoyed that. I'll try the updated scenario tomorrow probably. No major issues from me. I had it all done with about a day to go but played it out to see what would happen. I liked the messages that kept the story going.
A thought, Is there any way to to transport ammo to allow a resupply of forward based aircraft? I moved aircraft forward to have them ready to go but ran out of ammo for some aircraft and couldn't reload without sending them back to base.
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Oh and I saw the part about drones. Just a cheeky idea but what a were stealth drone like the RQ-170 ;)
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Oh and I saw the part about drones. Just a cheeky idea but what a were stealth drone like the RQ-170 ;)

They're in there, Look in New Orleans at NAS Belle Chase!
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A thought, Is there any way to to transport ammo to allow a resupply of forward based aircraft? I moved aircraft forward to have them ready to go but ran out of ammo for some aircraft and couldn't reload without sending them back to base.

Yes, but it would be a major pain using numerous Lua scripts. Originally it had unlimited Mags but that was an issue.
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I'll probably post this one on Sunday 9/12, unless someone comes up with a major issue.
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