Discussion on the supply sit. of Soviet land fronts cut off from land supply (Leningrad, Kerch...)

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Discussion on the supply sit. of Soviet land fronts cut off from land supply (Leningrad, Kerch...)

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I am moving this from the Quick question thread, since it turned into a not-so-quick one...

I need help to understand why my front lines on the northern Kerch (running south-west one hex east of the Salagir river in a straight nice line) are starving without supply allocation. HQs are next to them. The ports of Kerch and Feodosia have freight stored up in them. The rail line behind the front isn´t bombed. Its snowfall in January.

Yet a trickle of supplies is sent from a two Caucasus depots to one division, all but one freight each being lost on the way. But to the majority of the front line hexes here NONE is sent at all. The local port depots have very few trucks in them, but I can´t influence that except through supply settings I believe. Could I send trucks there manually? I dont think so.

Feodosia is 4 hexes from the front, so no horse drawn transport, but since no supplies are sent out, this doesn´t matter either way I suppose.

I have a prio 4 depot on the rail line one hex behind the front, 3 from the nearest port Feodosia. It never receives any freight at all. Why? A lack of moving stock on the peninsula to get anything here?

My only guess would be a somewhat too low supply priority on their HQs, but this doesnt really make sense either. They are some of the highest on the map.

I have done some air supply from Kaban/Kuban peninsula. This helps a lot, but not how I want to solve it.

Is it the frontline forts being built automatically sucking up all the supplies? This isnt the case anywhere else.

The AI isnt attacking, so it isnt combat depleting me. And its the delivery, and not the consumption that wont work.

Is it just that you simply cant supply an entire full Front, through the ports, even if they are stocked to the brim with freight?

Troops outside Sevastapol (also almost 100% Freight stocked up) doesnt starve in the same manner, even with lower HQ and depot supply priority. The situation is very similar, what makes this difference? The size of the Sevastapol (and Yalta ports?) Also I fail to move any freight from Sevastopol, into a prio 4 depot in the adjacent rough hex to the east, no matter what supply prio I have in Sevastopol. There is also an Army HQ in the hex, still no luck. (I tried all from 0 to 3, all lower than the land depot. I am sure I am missing something here, the supply AI feeling its freight is safer in the fortified port, but I want to shuffle some of it up closer to the Yalta mountain range.

At least Yalta is doing its job, being stocked at 141% freight and 5 trucks, and sending some to nearby hexes in the mountains.

Anyone dare to venture a guess?

I am also cut of in the forests north of Leningrad, supplied from Osinivets port, still able to get a trickle of supplies into Oranienbaum. Strangely enough here, troops starve a bit slower, have nice supply levels, but lose a bit of morale (from being semi-isolated I guess). My guess is because this "beachhead" is about an Army strong, whereas Kerch contains a fully stocked Front, with plenty of Arty support.

Hope someone can help me make sense of whats going on...

In summary:
- Why wont supply move from (set to low prio, fully stocked naval bases like on Kerch) depots, to inland depots on prio 4? It does normally, but there is something with these semi-"isolated peninsulas the cross water situation going on.


EDIT:

In case it matters...
I have lessened on map truck usage from 141k to 132k by disband and static units.
- Depots 45k
- Pool 5k
- Repairs 5k

Thing is they wont move into the peninsulas discussed above? Am I hogging port capacity with arty shells and men, so trucks wont get across? Grateful to know if its possible to improve the delivery to the front.
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RE: Discussion on the supply sit. of Soviet land fronts cut off from land supply (Leningrad, Kerch...)

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I got this very helpful response in my shorter, initial question in the quick question thread: (but it doesn´t quite make me go "aha!" and suddenly understand whats going on.

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ORIGINAL: juv95hrn

I need help to understand why my front lines on the Kerch are starving without supplies. HQs are next to them. The ports of Kerch and Feodosia have freight stored up in them. The rail line behind the front isn´t bombed. Its snowfall in January.

Yet a trickle of supplies are sent from a two Caucasus depots to one division, all but one freight each being lost on the way.

And to the majority of the front line hexes none is sent at all. The port depots have very few trucks in them, but I cant influence that except supply settings I believe. Could I send trucks there manually? I dont think so.

Feodosia is 4 hexes from the front, so no horse drawn transport, but if no supplies are sent out, this wouldnt matter I suppose.

I have a prio 4 depot on the rail line one hex behind the front, 3 from the port. It never receives any freight. A lack of moving stock on the peninsula to get anything here?

My only guess would be a somewhat too low supply priority on their HQs, but this doesnt really make sense either. They are some of the highest on the map.

Is it the frontline forts being built automatically sucking up all the supplies? This isnt the case anywhere else.

The AI isnt attacking, so it isnt combat depleting me. And its the delivery, and not the consumption that wont work.

Is it just that you simply cant supply an entire full Front, through the ports, even if they are stocked to the brim with freight?

Anyone dare to venture a guess?


aye, I'd go for volume of demand > over what can feasibly be supplied.

worth bearing in mind what the unit supply priority actually means.

units under a level #1 HQ get first call on the supply network but can only get 50% of their total need, so if they have 50% they claim no new supply, at #2 this is 70%, at #3 90% and at #4 the default is 90% but there are a sequence of special rules that come into play.

So the claim sequence is #1 (cap 50%), 2 (cap 70%) etc. So in a low supply region, setting HQ priority >1 has a few problems but may help. The problem is that the local supply such as it is will have long been claimed so you get into the truck problem (ie your unit trucks spend so long looking for supply they forget to be available to move and fight) but it is an insurance policy against failed logistic checks (miss on round 1, they can go and look again on round 2).

Point here, is that simply raising unit supply priority is not the solution. In a problematic area get most of them to 1 or 2 maybe a single 3 (easier with the axis corps HQ).

You have several problems there. One is that rail cap can't cross sea hexes (even with a ferry) - this also affects Leningrad if that is cut off. So you quite likely lack any rail capacity in the Crimea if retaking it from the east till you regain Sevastopol.

I'd suggest take this to a thread in its own right, and add some images, you say the ports are full would help to unpick this if the above doesn't explain the situation."
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RE: Discussion on the supply sit. of Soviet land fronts cut off from land supply (Leningrad, Kerch...)

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Mobile units any detriment?:

Motorized (and mech and tank units that will go away eventually) are large hogs of trucks in the early war.

What is the long term effect of disbanding, putting on map in Static mode or keeping them in the Reserve? Would this even help me getting Freight moving in the naval supply areas as per above?
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