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Abandoned Project: Ukraine, 2021 - Version 05-09-2021

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Think this one is ready for Playtest. It is a force degradation mission so points are awarded for destroying Ukrainian assets and lost for loosing Russian forces (the Russian Air force is having some numbers issues so loosing aircraft hurts in the long run). So if that is not your thing, thanks for your consideration...

[center]Ukraine, 2021
Al "Beirutdude" Sandrik
The Time Is: 1 June, 2021, 09:00 Zulu/12:00 Kiev Time
Playable as Russia Only
2 Days, 6 Hours Duration
Built under C:MO v1.02 – Build 1147.23
Database: DB3000 v488[/center]


Background: In March of 2021 Russian forces began to build up along the Ukrainian-Russian Border and in the Crimea. In late April Russian President Putin announced the Spring exercises were over and Russian forces were pulling back from the border areas, but it was just a Maskirovka. In fact, “Little Green Men” were infiltrated into the Donbass and Luhansk Oblasts and key Russian forces never returned to barracks. The plan was to seize the Ukraine up to the Dnieper River in a rapid assault but first, taking a page out of the Desert Storm air campaign, two days would be allotted to the destruction of the Ukrainian Navy, Air Force and Integrated Air Defense System (IADS) by the Russian Air Force and Navy.

Mission: Your mission is to destroy the Ukrainian ability to resist a ground invasion by destroying their Air and Sea defenses.

Notes:
You have six hours to ready your fighter/multirole/attack aircraft and attack helicopters. Bombers, with 20-hour ready times, I have loaded with likely load outs (including nukes).

I do not set the WRA for the human player. What I think it should be set to you might not. Thus, it is up to you to tweak it as you see fit. The WRA settings for the A/I have been adjusted.

Action should begin around 20-21:00 local time. Sunset in Donetsk is 20:20 local time 17:20 UTC.

NATO will not intervene in this scenario; the Ukraine is on its own.

You may use nukes at your discretion. In my personal opinion they are not necessary, but they are available. If nukes are your thing, have fun.

Scoring: 0 points = Disaster and 12,000 a Triumph.

Built under C:MO v1.02 Build 1147.23 Database: DB3000 v488
.INI and Delta Files are both provided for deep rebuilds.
Al "BeirutDude" Sandrik (ex-Beachinnole)
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Barely started but holy cow this is fun. Good one BeirutDave!

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Can't wait to try this it out.

As an FYI you only need to include the delta file for deep rebuilds, its the only one that gets referenced when updating. The normal ini file is used only as a scenario designer resource.
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Looks great and I love how you give the player a 6 hour window to set loadouts as they wish.
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I hope everyone enjoys!!!!

Please any suggestions would be deeply appreciated. As this one is big I forgot some of what I did in the beginning! [:D]
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The normal ini file is used only as a scenario designer resource.

Thanks! I always wondered what it was for and just included it just in case it was useful for someone.

As a Designer, what should I be using it for? I always rebuild with the Delta. Near as I can tell the .INI is the raw units without aircraft/ship/base magazine load outs. Am I right?
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ORIGINAL: BeirutDude
Please any suggestions would be deeply appreciated. As this one is big I forgot some of what I did in the beginning! [:D]

There's a lot of bunkers around some of the single unit airfields that don't seem to serve any current purpose.
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ORIGINAL: BeirutDude
As a Designer, what should I be using it for? I always rebuild with the Delta. Near as I can tell the .INI is the raw units without aircraft/ship/base magazine load outs. Am I right?

Its only contains a list of unit names and their GUIDs. The only thing I use it for is to get GUIDs of multiple units without having to copy and paste them individually.
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There's a lot of bunkers around some of the single unit airfields that don't seem to serve any current purpose.

So those bunkers have/had loadouts in them (if empty it is likely you loaded them on the aircraft).

I did airfield/bunkers two ways.

1. 6x or 12x of an aircraft type's loadouts. So 6 of all munitions load outs for an Su-27S.
2. Or in some cases I did by weapons type, say 24 Adder AA missiles in a bunker.

Then I built the airfield around a single unit airfield and the bunkers. To spread them out I try to limit the number in each bunker.

That way to load out the bunkers for a type of aircraft I only had to load out the bunkers once, then copy them for the next airfield with a similar type.

Oh yeah and you might want to look in those magazines/bunkers, you might find a little surprise at those "emergency/auxiliary" fields. [:D] [8D] [:)]
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The only thing I use it for is to get GUIDs of multiple units without having to copy and paste them individually.

Roger that! Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I mucked up by arming my bomber force with anti-shipping missiles instead of land-strike. Starting over but I'm alright with it. Really fun.

Anybody go nuke yet?

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Intense.

I also got caught with a bunch of AC loaded with AS-16 which are Anti-Ship only.

I've got a few points I'll PM to you but this is a good scrap, the odds are not overwhelming, at least not in the first little while.

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I looked at your script, there are nuances about the Sea of ​​Azov and the Air Force. So, let's begin:
1. Caspian flotilla transferred
pr. 2182.0, 21630 (just Buyan, without m) and pr1204. 1166 and Buyan did not seem to be transferred.
2. The Black Sea Fleet, it has only 1 submarine of 877 project and that one is under repair. On the Black Sea, Russia has 6 submarines of Project 636 (for some reason, many authors of scripts about the Black Sea love exactly 877).
3. In Crimea, there is a su-24 mp ... All of Russia has only 1-su-24 mp and it does not fly (also in many scenarios they like to shove him). If you want electronic warfare, it is better to supply ground stations (Krasukha 2/4, Moscow, Avtobaza) or Su-34 with a SAP-14 container.
4. Mig-29s remained in Russia only in Armenia, and possibly Milerovo (everything is correct here). In Kursk there are about 24 Su-30SM and 28 Mig-29SMT + 6 Mig-29UBT
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Thanks for the feedback...
ORIGINAL: edsw

I looked at your script, there are nuances about the Sea of ​​Azov and the Air Force. So, let's begin:
1. Caspian flotilla transferred
pr. 2182.0, 21630 (just Buyan, without m) and pr1204. 1166 and Buyan did not seem to be transferred.

Thank. I really wanted to add the Gephards to the scenario. So while they may not be deployed, wanted to mix the database up a bit.
2. The Black Sea Fleet, it has only 1 submarine of 877 project and that one is under repair. On the Black Sea, Russia has 6 submarines of Project 636 (for some reason, many authors of scripts about the Black Sea love exactly 877).

The Kilos are the correct type with the six homeported 636's in the eastern Black Sea Port. I didn't know the 877 was under repair. Good info, might take it out.
3. In Crimea, there is a su-24 mp ... All of Russia has only 1-su-24 mp and it does not fly (also in many scenarios they like to shove him). If you want electronic warfare, it is better to supply ground stations (Krasukha 2/4, Moscow, Avtobaza) or Su-34 with a SAP-14 container.

Thanks. Will look at the EW, the database I used was vary ambiguous on types and numbers of EW aircraft.

4. Mig-29s remained in Russia only in Armenia, and possibly Milerovo (everything is correct here). In Kursk there are about 24 Su-30SM and 28 Mig-29SMT + 6 Mig-29UBT

Again Thanks! Will look at this.


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Intense.

I also got caught with a bunch of AC loaded with AS-16 which are Anti-Ship only.

I've got a few points I'll PM to you but this is a good scrap, the odds are not overwhelming, at least not in the first little while.

Cheers

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Gunner, tried to PM you but your message box is full. Might want to clear some of it out! [:D] [8D]
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ORIGINAL: BeirutDude

Thanks for the feedback...
ORIGINAL: edsw

I looked at your script, there are nuances about the Sea of ​​Azov and the Air Force. So, let's begin:
1. Caspian flotilla transferred
pr. 2182.0, 21630 (just Buyan, without m) and pr1204. 1166 and Buyan did not seem to be transferred.

Thank. I really wanted to add the Gephards to the scenario. So while they may not be deployed, wanted to mix the database up a bit.
2. The Black Sea Fleet, it has only 1 submarine of 877 project and that one is under repair. On the Black Sea, Russia has 6 submarines of Project 636 (for some reason, many authors of scripts about the Black Sea love exactly 877).

The Kilos are the correct type with the six homeported 636's in the eastern Black Sea Port. I didn't know the 877 was under repair. Good info, might take it out.
3. In Crimea, there is a su-24 mp ... All of Russia has only 1-su-24 mp and it does not fly (also in many scenarios they like to shove him). If you want electronic warfare, it is better to supply ground stations (Krasukha 2/4, Moscow, Avtobaza) or Su-34 with a SAP-14 container.

Thanks. Will look at the EW, the database I used was vary ambiguous on types and numbers of EW aircraft.

4. Mig-29s remained in Russia only in Armenia, and possibly Milerovo (everything is correct here). In Kursk there are about 24 Su-30SM and 28 Mig-29SMT + 6 Mig-29UBT

Again Thanks! Will look at this.


Thank. I really wanted to add the Gephards to the scenario. So while they may not be deployed, wanted to mix the database up a bit.
I do not say whether they threw them or not)). But in my opinion they are illogical there. I can deliver calibers to any targets and from the Caspian Sea, why send such ships to the basics? Artelery and small landing ships were transferred there (most likely there was a plan for a tactical landing in Mariupol, since the Ukrainian troops were quite strengthened)
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ORIGINAL: Gunner98

Intense.

I also got caught with a bunch of AC loaded with AS-16 which are Anti-Ship only.

I've got a few points I'll PM to you but this is a good scrap, the odds are not overwhelming, at least not in the first little while.

Cheers

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[:D] Well the good news is the AS-16 kerfuffle wasn't me.

I think I was too broad in my initial approach anyways. Feel like I should have blown a hole through to the airfields instead of plinking radar sites willy nilly.

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Okay OOB asks

Add 636.3 Kilo's as they have land-attack Kalibers. These have been in the Med and fired land attack cruise missiles into Syria (pretty sure). They've also entered the Black Sea but not permanent like Alrosa etc.

Would be nice if the Buyans had land-attack Kalibre's as well.

Ukrainian's could use some coastal artillery and even Skif SSM positions. Give the Russian ships something to think about when bombarding.

I'm sure the basic Mig-29 is rare in Russian AF these days. Just the modernized variants.

If possible add the helo jammers too. Russian Army uses them a lot and all the gunships in this scenario will need those.

Thanks!

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Might want to clear some of it out!

will do...

Getting to around midnight on day 1. Took some dopy losses - a couple MiG-29s ran out of fuel in the landing pattern, an Su-30 sauntered over an SA-10 heading to a Midas...

Beside that going well... there are a lot of SA-10s hanging around, sheesh.
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ORIGINAL: Gunner98
Getting to around midnight on day 1. Took some dopy losses - a couple MiG-29s ran out of fuel in the landing pattern,

Do you think, even if it's not their home base, that means the famously short-legged Fulcrums should be moved to a closer field like Rostov or Taganrog (which are both currently empty)?
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