Please add profile and word stratagems

Moderator: Vic

Serben
Posts: 9
Joined: Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:25 pm

Please add profile and word stratagems

Post by Serben »

Sooner or later, in the later stages of the game, it becomes harder and harder to fulfill the faction demands and policy speech promises, causing your word score to slowly enter into a death spiral. My suggestion is to add some stratagems than can improve your word score.

Another problem is the profile points. Right now you have zero control over which events you're going to get that can affect your profile. It would be nice if there were stratagems that could give you profile points of your choosing.
beyondwudge
Posts: 81
Joined: Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:33 pm

RE: Please add profile and word stratagems

Post by beyondwudge »

Sounds fine. Can balance them by weighting/cost.
Serben
Posts: 9
Joined: Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:25 pm

RE: Please add profile and word stratagems

Post by Serben »

Yeah. There is nothing more frustrating than being forced by a policy speech or faction demand to explore more of the map when you're at war with everyone and have a difficulty of 500 to send in spies, or being forced to increase your BP production when you have no free labour and can't afford any more BP offices [8|]
zgrssd
Posts: 4212
Joined: Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:02 pm

RE: Please add profile and word stratagems

Post by zgrssd »

At least for policy speeches you can "stay vague", to not get any unwanted quests. I actually started using that one.

Rejecting a faction demand still costs you some word score, but less then a failed promise.
It cost them some serious political capital to even make that demand, so rejecting it will not be cost free.
DW2 Poll:
"Should the Civil and non-Combat Ships loose all or most of their weapon slots?"
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/view ... 1&t=382690
Serben
Posts: 9
Joined: Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:25 pm

RE: Please add profile and word stratagems

Post by Serben »

You lose word score if you stay vague in policy speeches. So that's not a viable strategy.
mroyer
Posts: 938
Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:27 pm

RE: Please add profile and word stratagems

Post by mroyer »

Yeah. There is nothing more frustrating than being forced by a policy speech or faction demand to explore more of the map when you're at war with everyone and have a difficulty of 500 to send in spies, or being forced to increase your BP production when you have no free labour and can't afford any more BP offices [8|]

This seems very realistic to me.... one of your factions doesn't read the news and is operating from alternative facts. I know it sounds wild but it could happen, even in real life. [;)]
beyondwudge
Posts: 81
Joined: Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:33 pm

RE: Please add profile and word stratagems

Post by beyondwudge »

Politics is frustrating.
User avatar
newageofpower
Posts: 261
Joined: Thu Dec 03, 2020 3:09 pm

RE: Please add profile and word stratagems

Post by newageofpower »

There are already (effectively) Political Profile Stratagems via the Scrap Stratagem mechanic. You need to be on the Beta, however.
mroyer
Posts: 938
Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:27 pm

RE: Please add profile and word stratagems

Post by mroyer »

ORIGINAL: newageofpower

There are already (effectively) Political Profile Stratagems via the Scrap Stratagem mechanic. You need to be on the Beta, however.

Do tell! I haven't looked at that very closely - what can you accomplish with in-effect-political-profile stratagems?

-Mark R.
Soar_Slitherine
Posts: 436
Joined: Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:33 am

RE: Please add profile and word stratagems

Post by Soar_Slitherine »

There's two types of strategems generated from scrapping that I've seen: One recruits a leader with a specific personality trait, skillset and capability level, and the other increases a specific regime profile while constructing a certain private asset. So you can get a Commercial Library strategem that gives +7 to the Commerce profile and builds a private library for 16 political points, for example. The specific combination generated seems to be random, but if it's for a profile that you actually want to increase, that's obviously highly useful.
Serben
Posts: 9
Joined: Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:25 pm

RE: Please add profile and word stratagems

Post by Serben »

Great, now we just need a stratagem that can increase the word score. Or some other reliable way to keep it stable in the late game.
Serben
Posts: 9
Joined: Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:25 pm

RE: Please add profile and word stratagems

Post by Serben »

i haven't played for a while and am thinking of starting a new game, but don't really feel like playing if you can't affect your word score and profile except by praying to RNGesus and hoping for the best. so have any of the suggestions in this thread been added yet? or anything similar that lets me affect my word and profile in the game? thanks.
Soar_Slitherine
Posts: 436
Joined: Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:33 am

RE: Please add profile and word stratagems

Post by Soar_Slitherine »

The only relevant change is that the scrap stratagems mentioned earlier made it from the beta patches to the main version.
zgrssd
Posts: 4212
Joined: Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:02 pm

RE: Please add profile and word stratagems

Post by zgrssd »

Some Scrap Stratagems carry a Profile impact. While those are about as random as the Events, at least you can choose not to go the wrong direction (by scrapping the card right back).

The biggest improovements for the beta have been on other fronts:
- ability to modify formations
- balance changes to Logistics assets and certain foot weapons
DW2 Poll:
"Should the Civil and non-Combat Ships loose all or most of their weapon slots?"
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/view ... 1&t=382690
User avatar
BlueTemplar
Posts: 887
Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:07 pm

RE: Please add profile and word stratagems

Post by BlueTemplar »

Unlike what the tooltip says, refusing faction Demands does NOT lower your Word score.
It DOES have an effect on Faction Happiness... which seems to give big random Relation penalties to the Leaders of that Faction ?
I wonder whether the type of your Political Body *also* has an impact on the frequency of Demands from Majority Factions, or if just has an effect on the maximum number of Demands and the frequency of Demands by Minority Factions ?
zgrssd
Posts: 4212
Joined: Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:02 pm

RE: Please add profile and word stratagems

Post by zgrssd »

With the S&S Editor, this should be doable.
It is not explicitly documented and the Decisions do use a special approach, but the Scrap Stratagems should point me in the right direction.

I would say the cost should be something like 1 PP per current score and/or Fatepoints if it goes very high?
DW2 Poll:
"Should the Civil and non-Combat Ships loose all or most of their weapon slots?"
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/view ... 1&t=382690
Soar_Slitherine
Posts: 436
Joined: Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:33 am

RE: Please add profile and word stratagems

Post by Soar_Slitherine »

I considered doing a mod for this where the opportunities to boost profiles were affected by the regime education level, dominant Politics profile (I don't think it makes any sense for democracies to be the best at social engineering just because they get more PP) and maybe the presence of government-run Vidcom Stations, but I think I have too many other things on my plate to look into it in the immediate future.
User avatar
BlueTemplar
Posts: 887
Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:07 pm

RE: Please add profile and word stratagems

Post by BlueTemplar »

Yeah, in practice, in the game Democracies (actually Parliaments¤) end up with lots of unhappy Minority Factions because you are going to refuse their repeated Demands to increase low score, Regime-antagonistic Profiles ?

I'm currently in this situation, what am I supposed to do when my biggest currently "Minor" Faction has my SHQ commander, 1/3 of my Directors, half of my Governors and half of my OHQ commanders and keeps Demanding for me to raise Autocracy every round, which I keep refusing, so their Faction Happiness is now down to 47%... how long will I be able to keep bribing them ? (Here Democracy certainly shines !)
I'll guess I'll find out, having 100% Word Score doesn't seem to help much against random -22 Relation hits...

----

Or, (though it's a bit late now), maybe it's that trying to get 81-90% in a single Profile and 6-0-0 Regime Feats is the wrong way to go about it when playing a Democracy/Parliament¤ (ironically, this includes Democracy itself !).

So you instead have to aim at 51-59% in your "main" Profile and 41-49% in your "secondary" ones, resulting in 3-2-2 Regime Feats ?
This might be easier to pull off than expected, because it gets ever harder to increase Profiles over 50% (and decrease them under 50%).

You just have to be careful to get the Regime Feats in the right order, to go in the direction of Profile Suppression, not against it, and end up picking your "main" profile LAST.

----

¤Or maybe it's because I messed up in granting votes to anyone that asked, so my Politburo became a Parliament... I guess that if you refuse giving more political power, then even a 90%+ "Democracy" is going to keep its Politburo ?
(I guess that would also make high Democracy % harder to achieve ?)
zgrssd
Posts: 4212
Joined: Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:02 pm

RE: Please add profile and word stratagems

Post by zgrssd »

I'm currently in this situation, what am I supposed to do when my biggest currently "Minor" Faction has my SHQ commander, 1/3 of my Directors, half of my Governors and half of my OHQ commanders and keeps Demanding for me to raise Autocracy every round, which I keep refusing, so their Faction Happiness is now down to 47%... how long will I be able to keep bribing them ? (Here Democracy certainly shines !)
With Democracy, your People and Soldiers can vote.
And what they vote for, depends on the Profiles of their leaders (Governors, OHQ and SHQ commanders).

If you give them that kind of power, they are not going to be a minority faction much longer.
DW2 Poll:
"Should the Civil and non-Combat Ships loose all or most of their weapon slots?"
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/view ... 1&t=382690
User avatar
BlueTemplar
Posts: 887
Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:07 pm

RE: Please add profile and word stratagems

Post by BlueTemplar »

I'm pretty sure that they couldn't vote before I allowed them to.
And that my Regime started out as a Politbureau (starting with +10 Autocracy) not as a Parliament.

You might be confusing starting with +10 Democracy, which then I think always starts you as a Parliament ?

----

They used to be a majority. Funnily enough, the current biggest majority (double their votes) are all Reserve Pool members !
Post Reply

Return to “Suggestions and Feedback”