OT: Greyhound movie

[Jorge_Stanbury]

I read the book, and nothing that I saw there remind me of it

[spence]

Technically even the book upon which the movie is based: "The Good Shepherd" by CS Forester has a serious. I've forgotten what class of destroyer it is in the book/movie but during the time frame of the book/movie the US Navy (thanks to Adm King) with all its 'modern' destroyers was off gallivanting around the Atlantic looking for submarines. The not so glamorous American convoy escorts were comprised of old "4-pipers" and Coast Guard cutters and were a definite minority among the British and Canadian escort types.

I think CGI graphics are about all that can be had today to represent WW2 era ships. The only ship in existence that I am aware of that also fought in the Battle of the Atlantic is the USCGC Ingham which is now a museum ship in Key West, FL. In the 70 odd years since it fought it has had its arrangement modified multiple times (in AE it shows up as an AGC but when it fought in the Atlantic it had an armament much more like the CGC Taney's (non-existant) FRAM in 9/42.

Any Type VIIC's U-boats out there anywhere?

BTW I liked the book. And since I served on two of the ships that actually fought in the early Battle of the Atlantic I also am looking forward to this one. Tom Hanks is a good actor and seems in character with the book in the brief clips of the trailer shown here.

[Scott_USN]

Still we don't get very many movies like this so glad to see it hope it does well in theaters so more will be made. Midway was the same way unfortunately that is what we have CGI, but I did like how the ships were not perfectly painted and such showing use.

[Scott_USN]

Don't you love when you get the North Carolina.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5f7mgQeHEI

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: PTalvela

Not going to pay for this type of BS in any format.

Are there children now working as studio executives?

Or maybe they view the large audience as having the attention span and general interests of small children?
This might be a real possibility, it would in turn open up interesting speculations about the future of our societies as a whole.

Seems the genre is "war horror", evil nazis taunting from the radio and sneak attacking with their U-boats in evil nazi warpaint.

Unbelievable.

[&:]
Have you read about the Battle of the Atlantic? It was horrible. The Nazis were evil, and were the first to carry out unrestricted submarine warfare, targeting passenger liners and sometimes even hospital ships.
Lord Ha-Ha and Goebbels did taunt the Allies about their losses.
And my father participated in sinking a U-boat that had a big sawfish emblem on the conning tower - warpaint! And he had to help rescue victims of the U-boats: oil covered and often burned or suffering broken bones.

All that does not mean all Germans were evil - not all were Nazis and most were just being loyal to their country when they went to fight. That doesn't matter to the Allied sailors who were targets for their torpedoes and the escort crews whose job was to kill the U-boats. A movie or book written from the Allied side is inevitably going to cast the Axis side as the bad guys.

[Scott_USN]

No one knows the story of the unknown sailors who defended ships from NAZI subs. Some of the German Sub commanders were very chivalrous, some were idiots who blew up South American ships and turned South America totally against the Germans. There were also actions of US ASW planes who blew up a sub and dropped flares and rafts. German Subs attacked all shipping in North America and South America without caring who they killed. Just fact. Have to live with it.

[Scott_USN]

When I say no one knows I am talking about the general public.

[Yaab]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Oh, Chickenboy. The graphics. The graphics. Oh, the humanity!

Tom Hanks is such a great actor. I think he produced or directed this. I wish he had insisted upon realism and hadn't settled for anything less. Oh, for something like D-Day in Saving Private Ryan or Dunkirk in Dunkirk.

In twenty years (if the world still exists), movie audiences will look back on this era of movie-making special effects with horror, as we who grew up in the '70s look back on leisure suits and bell bottoms.

Oh, the humanity.

Speaking of Saving Private Ryan, check a film titled Stosstrup 1917 (Germany, 1934). Great cinematography.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0140572/

[Fishbed]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Oh, Chickenboy. The graphics. The graphics. Oh, the humanity!

Tom Hanks is such a great actor. I think he produced or directed this. I wish he had insisted upon realism and hadn't settled for anything less. Oh, for something like D-Day in Saving Private Ryan or Dunkirk in Dunkirk.

In twenty years (if the world still exists), movie audiences will look back on this era of movie-making special effects with horror, as we who grew up in the '70s look back on leisure suits and bell bottoms.

Oh, the humanity.

Well I am not so sure about that myself - I mean, not about everything of course. Some good old movies out there, with proper footage. I give you that, not that many, but still [:D]

Look at this scene of the Enemy Below for instance. Isn't that the right stuff, right there [;)]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XVrnXy15y4

Notice btw how old grumpy escort Captain Tom Hanks has some strikingly similar traits to old grumpy escort Captain Mitchum. Besides what's contained in the source material, wouldn't be surprised he took some inspiration from this role too.

[PTalvela]

ORIGINAL: spence

Technically even the book upon which the movie is based: "The Good Shepherd" by CS Forester has a serious. I've forgotten what class of destroyer it is in the book/movie but during the time frame of the book/movie the US Navy (thanks to Adm King) with all its 'modern' destroyers was off gallivanting around the Atlantic looking for submarines. The not so glamorous American convoy escorts were comprised of old "4-pipers" and Coast Guard cutters and were a definite minority among the British and Canadian escort types.

I think CGI graphics are about all that can be had today to represent WW2 era ships. The only ship in existence that I am aware of that also fought in the Battle of the Atlantic is the USCGC Ingham which is now a museum ship in Key West, FL. In the 70 odd years since it fought it has had its arrangement modified multiple times (in AE it shows up as an AGC but when it fought in the Atlantic it had an armament much more like the CGC Taney's (non-existant) FRAM in 9/42.

Any Type VIIC's U-boats out there anywhere?

BTW I liked the book. And since I served on two of the ships that actually fought in the early Battle of the Atlantic I also am looking forward to this one. Tom Hanks is a good actor and seems in character with the book in the brief clips of the trailer shown here.

There is a Flower class in Canada and a VIIC in Laboe Germany.

[PTalvela]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: PTalvela

Not going to pay for this type of BS in any format.

Are there children now working as studio executives?

Or maybe they view the large audience as having the attention span and general interests of small children?
This might be a real possibility, it would in turn open up interesting speculations about the future of our societies as a whole.

Seems the genre is "war horror", evil nazis taunting from the radio and sneak attacking with their U-boats in evil nazi warpaint.

Unbelievable.

[&:]
Have you read about the Battle of the Atlantic? It was horrible. The Nazis were evil, and were the first to carry out unrestricted submarine warfare, targeting passenger liners and sometimes even hospital ships.
Lord Ha-Ha and Goebbels did taunt the Allies about their losses.
And my father participated in sinking a U-boat that had a big sawfish emblem on the conning tower - warpaint! And he had to help rescue victims of the U-boats: oil covered and often burned or suffering broken bones.

All that does not mean all Germans were evil - not all were Nazis and most were just being loyal to their country when they went to fight. That doesn't matter to the Allied sailors who were targets for their torpedoes and the escort crews whose job was to kill the U-boats. A movie or book written from the Allied side is inevitably going to cast the Axis side as the bad guys.

I have read a lot about it and this caricature does not seem to depict it very accurately.
From the trailer I got the impression it was an U-boat captain trasmitting to the convoy and not Goebbels taunting from Berlin, maybe I made a mistake.

The Laughing Sawfish? The same one that was in Das Boot? 9th Flotilla? Was it perhaps the U-217 or the U-450?

Generally these emblems where not very scary, often they where actually funny and never did they cover the entire conning tower with bright colours.

I would not blame the author but the studio and producers, this movie reminds me of Iron Sky, in that movie nazis have a secret base in the dark side of the moon..

[warspite1]

This look worthy of a trip to the cinema.

The CGI looks okay - but as with aircraft, why does everything have to be so close together? In the opening seconds of the clip those three destroyers are travelling at a rate of knots about 5-foot apart!

Tom Hanks has to be my favourite actor (a pretty remarkable career and some pretty good films to say the least) and I see Stephen Graham dons an American accent for this one (another good actor).

So yes, this will get me purchasing a ticket.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

I'm looking forward to this one...[8D]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VVHKXPyeV4

This looks good to me! I trust Hanks much more to tell a compelling story with some semblance of reality to the combat interactions. I'll watch it.

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

[X(]

Here she is with her brother. She is wearing a red collar and nothing else . . .

A couple of real cuties, but if those collars don't have stretch sections built in they are on way too tight.

[spence]

Much like nose art on bombers and fighters the 'art' on U-boat conning towers had little to no official controls on it as to size and color. The "Laughing Swordfish" in green was semi-officially adopted by the 9th Flotilla but apparently it was used by many different U-boats. Apparently it also appeared in red and black on the conning towers of other U-boats.

https://uboat.net/special/emblems/popular.html

[Scott_USN]

Well I don't really watch movies for educational purposes.

[Jorge_Stanbury]

ORIGINAL: spence

Much like nose art on bombers and fighters the 'art' on U-boat conning towers had little to no official controls on it as to size and color. The "Laughing Swordfish" in green was semi-officially adopted by the 9th Flotilla but apparently it was used by many different U-boats. Apparently it also appeared in red and black on the conning towers of other U-boats.

https://uboat.net/special/emblems/popular.html

but in the movie, it seems as if it was used to taunt enemy, which is kind of absurd in a stealth vessel, same as having a "phone call" with captain Tom Hanks, c'mon!

that said, I will still watch it

[Canoerebel]

I won't watch it.

I understand the rationale of those who will - that it's the best we can hope for in these time. They're right, although I suspect from time to time, somebody will come along and get it right.

For now, we'll have to do without the non-CGI grandeur of Doctor Zhivago, Gettysburg, Schindler's List, and The Lord of the Rings. And wonder if they'll ever be able to make movies like that again, given the labor component of six zillion extras and on-site filming expense.

But we can still enjoy excellently made "small sets" that don't require CGI. I can pop in my DVD of Twelve Angry Men or go back and see Knives Out for a third time.

But I can't sit through video games. I don't know if my way of viewing movies is unique or ubiquitous, but I become immersed in them. I love that feeling. But there's no immersion when the graphics stink to high heaven.

[PTalvela]

ORIGINAL: spence

Much like nose art on bombers and fighters the 'art' on U-boat conning towers had little to no official controls on it as to size and color. The "Laughing Swordfish" in green was semi-officially adopted by the 9th Flotilla but apparently it was used by many different U-boats. Apparently it also appeared in red and black on the conning towers of other U-boats.

Yes, that is the site that I used to check what boats carried the famous Laughing Swordfish.
Olympic rings where propably the most colourful emblem in use, I guess the IOC would not like to see them in the movie.

[PTalvela]

ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury

ORIGINAL: spence

Much like nose art on bombers and fighters the 'art' on U-boat conning towers had little to no official controls on it as to size and color. The "Laughing Swordfish" in green was semi-officially adopted by the 9th Flotilla but apparently it was used by many different U-boats. Apparently it also appeared in red and black on the conning towers of other U-boats.

but in the movie, it seems as if it was used to taunt enemy, which is kind of absurd in a stealth vessel, same as having a "phone call" with captain Tom Hanks, c'mon!

that said, I will still watch it

Taunting the audience, also in the phone call.
War horror genre, like the film Overlord, better than snakes on a plane or sharks in a tornado..
I can imagine the studio executives brainstorming this based on some audience research.