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Would anyone be willing to build a scenario set in the Second Age of Arda (LOTR), using New Dawn mechanics? I'm willing to commission the project or donate, if that's safe to do given intellectual property rights issues. I don't have deep pockets but I'd be interested to see how much someone would accept in order to do it.

Alternately, I'd be willing to pay someone to tutor me in how to do it.

It would be an AI-functional map with 2-6 factions.

I know Vic has already released a scenario or two with graphics and units that could be used to build this, but I have some questions about how to do that -- I don't have the expertise at this time. I really want the New Dawn landscape graphics and that nifty auto-reinforce TOE feature, which those older LOTR/fantasy scenarios don't have.
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Very, cool... while I can't help, I give a double thumbs up... LOTR fan since I'm 8 and began reading them at 12... Hope your dream is realized, my friend.
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... I don't think I can make this scenario. Mainly cause I know nothing of it's subject matter. I can however guide in it's making.

I think you need to start off by loading up the editor, using a masterfile already made. (To get graphics, that suit you). Then start making the map. Making it is by no means an easy task. You need to consider things like size and limitations. Do you want it to cover the whole world, just a continent, or maybe even less. Another thing you need to take into consideration is the amount of time you are willing to invest. Each hex you make will take some time. Thus it is far easier to make a 100x100 map, than a 200x200 map (which is 4 times bigger!). Usually you would want to use an overlay, of a map of the area you are trying to make into a scenario map. This will obviously have an impact on the dimensions of the map. The you can begin filling in the landscapes of the map.

When that is done comes the next part. Deciding how many countries there are supposed to be. Personally I wouldn't go above 20, cause each country (regime) has a lot of variables (data entries) that are possible to make for them. Some of them being in relation to other countries. This means that every time you add a regime you are making the amount of data bigger than just adding one more entity.

How to do these things is an entire different matter, but, learning (i find) is part of the fun. But the above can be planned, before you begin.

If you need any technical help, don't hesitate to ask.

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Thanks for the advice -- and offer!

Would you be able/willing to make a scenario set around the time of the Peloponnesian War? I am perhaps 60 percent done with a map that includes Asia Minor, Italy, and Greece. I could make the map portion, but not sure about everything else.
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Sounds interesting, what nations (regimes) would you want to put on there?
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Ideally, these five factions:

-Athens and Thebes
-Argos and Corinth
-Sparta and Persia
-Olynthos and the cities on the Chalkidiki peninsula
-Macedonia

But given resource limitations (my money and your time) I would be alright with decreasing the number of factions to three: Athens, Sparta, and Persia.
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Thanks!
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Actually 9 factions is not that bad, assuming you would be splitting them up in:

Athens
Thebes
Argos
Corinth
Sparta
Persia
Olynthos (never heard of it)
The cities on the Chalkidiki peninsula (the same)
Macedonia

Something about Sparta and Persia being one that didn't fancy me much.

Well, whatever is decided, you should begin considering their relative economic strengths to each other. That is what is the total amount of production you would want each side to have. This will have a profound influence on the games balance. So be careful not to give one side too much or the other for that matter. A good way to think of what they produce would be to translate it into Political Points. Now those may also be too abstract to get a good read on things, but imagine they are gold, and you can buy mercenaries by using them.

I am assuming that for instance Persia won't be able to produce the same types of units as Sparta, so there is no way to compare the two...

Another thing that needs to be done is to find out where the borders go, and which cities you want to be represented. These are all questions that need to be answered, and cannot be answered by anyone other than you.
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Ideally, these five factions:

-Athens and Thebes
-Argos and Corinth
-Sparta and Persia
-Olynthos and the cities on the Chalkidiki peninsula
-Macedonia

But given resource limitations (my money and your time) I would be alright with decreasing the number of factions to three: Athens, Sparta, and Persia.
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But given resource limitations (my money and your time)

Actually making regimes is not that hard, it takes very little time, compared to say, making the unit types that need to be there, figuring out balance, making special events, and such.
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In any case, even if I won't end up doing anything, I'd love a copy of the map :)

My email is ernie[at]olympias.dk
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I was reading a little, and I think I know a bit more now about the subject matter, and why you chose certain factions to be with each other...
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Sent back an email after I received your map. Wondering if you got it?
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