S-400/SA-22 Med Tsunami

[DWReese]

I recently played the Med Tsunami. It is a very nice scenario involving US forces attacking Russian forces in Syria via Tomahawks.

I would highly recommend conducting the attack with, and without, the OECM Growlers. The scenario will really display how powerful that plane is at concealing the Tomahawks.

Doug

[jtoatoktoe]

I played this last week. I won't give my AAR so others can enjoy and have fun but we'll just say that S-400 stopped my first wave of 80 Tomahawks dead cold.

[temkc5]

Really did not like seeing/reading the unedited email version of this tread.

Please don't do that again

[DWReese]

I'm glad that you had some fun with it. It is a real blast.

The scenario has been around for a while. It was created under 113, and we are playing with 114 now. Plus, it was created under Build 972, and we are up to Build 998, so it has likely been played by most of the people here.

That being said, it's a very nice, and very topical scenario. I encourage all to give it a try, using as many different variants (tactics) as you deem necessary to add to your enjoyment.

Doug

[rmunie0613]

ORIGINAL: temkc5

Really did not like seeing/reading the unedited email version of this tread.

Please don't do that again

No one "did" anything. If you do not want to see "email" on the thread, it is something you control by not choosing email notifications.

[rmunie0613]

ORIGINAL: DWReese

I'm glad that you had some fun with it. It is a real blast.

The scenario has been around for a while. It was created under 113, and we are playing with 114 now. Plus, it was created under Build 972, and we are up to Build 998, so it has likely been played by most of the people here.

That being said, it's a very nice, and very topical scenario. I encourage all to give it a try, using as many different variants (tactics) as you deem necessary to add to your enjoyment.

Doug

Thank you for the recommendation Doug... this one sounds fun.

[BeirutDude]

I've been working with/playing with an updated 2020 version that postulates...

1. Syrian has either crushed or otherwise neutralized the resistance in Syrian and now controls all airbases/territory.
2. Russian provides an S300 system to cover Damascus and southern Syria from IDF/IAF Strikes (right out of today's headlines)
3. Russia, Iran, Syria and Hezbollah are all joined in a Warsaw Pact like Alliance were an attack on one is an attack on all.
4. Hezbollah is kited out with SA-17 BUKs (possibly already there)
5. Turkey is neutral but allows major power overflights (from a survival POV) from Russian Crimean airbases
6. The U.S., France, UK, Israel, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Qatar all form a loose alliance and cooperate (The enemy of my enemy)
7. The Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) states mentioned above and Iran come to a tacit agreement to keep the Gulf open and Iran itself is not fair game for political and military reasons. The Saudis and Emirates see no need to have their oil facilities smoking ruins and neither does Iran.
8. Following an IAF airstrike on Hezbollah positions in the Bekaa the balloon goes up in the Levant...

So just started, I have basically just defined the Syrian ADA and that is about it right now.

[BeirutDude]

OH BTW did anybody notice that the Tartus Naval Base is misplaced in Med Tsunami 2019? My bad!!!!!! [:D] [8|]

[blkholsun]

Sounds great, BeirutDude, looking forward to playing it!

[Zaslon]

ORIGINAL: BeirutDude

I've been working with/playing with an updated 2020 version that postulates...

1. Syrian has either crushed or otherwise neutralized the resistance in Syrian and now controls all airbases/territory.
2. Russian provides an S300 system to cover Damascus and southern Syria from IDF/IAF Strikes (right out of today's headlines)
3. Russia, Iran, Syria and Hezbollah are all joined in a Warsaw Pact like Alliance were an attack on one is an attack on all.
4. Hezbollah is kited out with SA-17 BUKs (possibly already there)
5. Turkey is neutral but allows major power overflights (from a survival POV) from Russian Crimean airbases
6. The U.S., France, UK, Israel, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Qatar all form a loose alliance and cooperate (The enemy of my enemy)
7. The Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) states mentioned above and Iran come to a tacit agreement to keep the Gulf open and Iran itself is not fair game for political and military reasons. The Saudis and Emirates see no need to have their oil facilities smoking ruins and neither does Iran.
8. Following an IAF airstrike on Hezbollah positions in the Bekaa the balloon goes up in the Levant...

So just started, I have basically just defined the Syrian ADA and that is about it right now.

I know that this is a fictional scenario but I think that these scenarios must be a credible What-if not a weird mix.

Point 3 doesn't make sense pal. Russia or another country won't enter in a military alliance with terrorist group.

Also Israel never, never will enter in an alliance with Wahhabi muslims. It will be a political suicide for the israeli government and vice versa. If Jordan enters in a military alliance with Israel, the King shoul fled to Paris in the next 24 hours.

Also, Qatar and Saudi Arabia are not in good harmony. No since Saudi Arabia decrees a blockade last year. Now its like there are two sunni blocks. Qatar and Turkey in one side and Saudi Arabia/UAE in the other side. It doesn't look that this diplomatic conflict could be solved in less than two years at a point to be allieds agains.

I also must remember that Russia and Israel have a special relationship. Israel is considered the only russian speaker country outside the former Tsar and Soviet territories. These strong ties where supported by an intense commercial relationship. Russian UAV programs where based in Israeli technology (Russia bought Searcher mk.II and mk.III). In 2016 Russia was the main Oil supplier to Israel. For example.

The ties between Israel and Russia are very strong. So Russians never will enter in a alliance with Hezbollah. I know that it's hard to believe that due to the neo Cold war propaganda which draw Russians like Soviets...Time Changes. Although I like the Cold War it won't happen again, not with the same actors not in the same format.

You guys always forget that there are a huge conflict between Jews and Muslims. And also between Shia and Sunni.

Turkey cannot be neutral since Sultan Erdogan is playing a major role supporting Muslim rebel groups. Turkey and Wahabbi countries deactivate the real rebellion (but the main group, Free Syrian Army commanded by Col. Riad Al- Assad (he do not have ties with the Dictator) was deactivated by Turkey. Now FSA is a puppet of Turkey. Also Turkey want crush Kurds which are allied of USA in the region. Then Turkey allow Russians to use his airspace but denied it to the tripartite coalition because they are supporting Kurds.

I suggest remove Hezbollah from this insane alliance. The reality, sadly is more complex than in Hollywood movies.
1. US, France, UK and Jordan (tripartite coalition) vs Syria, Iran and Russia
2. Israel vs Hezbollah and Iran.
3. Saudi Arabia and UAE vs Syria and Iran.
4. Turkey and Qatar vs Saudi Arabia and UAE.
for example. Maybe point 4 is excessive for the purpose of this scenario...

At the end, is barely the same but it adds huge an interesting challenge because the player must obtain a positive ID in order to not struck other sides.

My two cents.

[kevinkins]

If I am reading this correctly, there are about 12 sides to arm and prepare missions for. That's ambitious. Can Command handle that?

Kevin

[Gunner98]

If I am reading this correctly, there are about 12 sides to arm and prepare missions for. That's ambitious. Can Command handle that?

Command should be able to handle it, I would recommend keeping the unit count manageable and limit any no-nav/exclusion zones, make sides blind if possible. I've used 8 or 9 sides before and it worked fine, the problem will come with side postures - Old Grudges Never Die is an example of how complex they can get and that logic is very touchy in Command.

B

[guanotwozero]

ORIGINAL: Zaslon
...
I suggest remove Hezbollah from this insane alliance. The reality, sadly is more complex than in Hollywood movies.
1. US, France, UK and Jordan (tripartite coalition) vs Syria, Iran and Russia
2. Israel vs Hezbollah and Iran.
3. Saudi Arabia and UAE vs Syria and Iran.
4. Turkey and Qatar vs Saudi Arabia and UAE.
for example. Maybe point 4 is excessive for the purpose of this scenario...

Insightful.

I agree Point 4 is unlikely - NATO countries and other allies would politically try to quash any chance of direct hostilities between them. However, support for proxies is possible, and maybe even open hostilities towards the other side's proxies. Mini Cold War. Such proxies would be non-state militias in Syria and possibly elsewhere.

[leemiller24]

I dont seem o have this scen. Can someone post it?

[stilesw]

leemiller24,

Here's the scenario I have.

-Wayne Stiles

[BeirutDude]

So no worries I have better things to do with my free time in any case and last time I looked the pay is the same whether I produce it or not! Just saying.

[BeirutDude]

Just corrected it as I found a mistake the other day. Look for the corrected version in Mods and Scenarios. I used Build 998.8

[BeirutDude]

Updated version

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