CMANO and Harpoon

Take command of air and naval assets from post-WW2 to the near future in tactical and operational scale, complete with historical and hypothetical scenarios and an integrated scenario editor.

Moderator: MOD_Command

User avatar
stilesw
Posts: 1515
Joined: Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:08 pm
Location: Hansville, WA, USA

RE: CMANO and Harpoon

Post by stilesw »

nukkxx,

Absolutely correct. It never would run smoothly and was a PITA when it came to crashes and system hangs. After a couple of months you couldn't find it in stores and it went into the (future) Windows 8 dustbin! Maybe my copy is a colletor's item?!
“There is no limit to what a man can do so long as he does not care a straw who gets the credit for it.”

Charles Edward Montague, English novelist and essayist
~Disenchantment, ch. 15 (1922)
thewood1
Posts: 6886
Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:24 pm

RE: CMANO and Harpoon

Post by thewood1 »

I still have my Patriot 5" disks. It never worked properly. It got a couple patches and then disappeared.

I can't believe someone would have Command and then go back to Harpoon. One thing I want to point out is how limited Harpoon was on release. It took a while for scenario editing to be legit. It took years for the ability to add battlesets, and even more years to edit the db.
You are like puss filled boil on nice of ass of bikini model. You are nasty to everybody but then try to sweeten things up with a nice post somewhere else. That's nice but you're still a boil on a beautiful thing! - BDukes
User avatar
Gunner98
Posts: 5509
Joined: Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:49 am
Location: The Great White North!
Contact:

RE: CMANO and Harpoon

Post by Gunner98 »

collection of Cold War era scenarios

Good number of CW scenarios in the Community Pack, and there is a lot of variety there as well. Some 270 scenarios set between 1950 and 1990, and 71 of them have the word NATO in the description.

Northern Inferno and my Northern Fury series alone give you a good number.

B

Check out our novel, Northern Fury: H-Hour!: http://northernfury.us/
And our blog: http://northernfury.us/blog/post2/
Twitter: @NorthernFury94 or Facebook https://www.facebook.com/northernfury/
User avatar
djoos5
Posts: 384
Joined: Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:45 pm
Location: Ohio

RE: CMANO and Harpoon

Post by djoos5 »

Awesome picture above of the game box! That was one of the sale points for me. I figured if it could model anything like my AH MBT game, then it was going to be awesome. Unfortunately, it was a dud.

Reading the box it says it required the 386. I can't be positive but I might have upgraded machines for this one, too. Talk about always putting the cart before the horse. [:D]

Still have my original Frank Chadwick T2000 RPG game book, too! That was another clunky game system. I remember that they even created a computer-based version of that game.

Anyway - great nostalgia!
Image
JPV511
Posts: 79
Joined: Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:19 pm

RE: CMANO and Harpoon

Post by JPV511 »

ORIGINAL: stilesw

There is (at least) one other possibility. You might check at www.gog.com. They often have older games that have been updated to run on more modern systems. I've found several there.
I thank you. My wallet...not so much.


ORIGINAL: thewood1

I can't believe someone would have Command and then go back to Harpoon.
If you mean me, it's simply because I don't know any better. As I mentioned, I never got around to playing Harpoon, but I've always wanted to. Since I learned how to play CMANO fairly quickly, I figured I could get into Harpoon just as easily so I purchased Harpoon while it was on sale. I gave it a go but you're right...the interface of Harpoon alone, makes it hard to turn my back on CMANO even for a bit. I do enjoy Harpoon's coms such as "Vampire, vampire, vampire!".

Say, are you the same wood from the Steel Beasts forums?

ORIGINAL: Gunner98

Good number of CW scenarios in the Community Pack, and there is a lot of variety there as well. Some 270 scenarios set between 1950 and 1990, and 71 of them have the word NATO in the description.

Northern Inferno and my Northern Fury series alone give you a good number.
Thanks Gunner98. My preference is for the 1980s era. I have the community 400 pack and Northern Inferno and looking forward to getting into those.


User avatar
stilesw
Posts: 1515
Joined: Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:08 pm
Location: Hansville, WA, USA

RE: CMANO and Harpoon

Post by stilesw »

Got to admit I was somewhat a Harpoon nut before I discovered CMANO:


Image
Attachments
Harpoon.jpg
Harpoon.jpg (153.63 KiB) Viewed 1 time
“There is no limit to what a man can do so long as he does not care a straw who gets the credit for it.”

Charles Edward Montague, English novelist and essayist
~Disenchantment, ch. 15 (1922)
VIF2NE
Posts: 82
Joined: Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:41 am

RE: CMANO and Harpoon

Post by VIF2NE »

Нarpoon had its own merits: multi-windowed, difficult weather.
thewood1
Posts: 6886
Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:24 pm

RE: CMANO and Harpoon

Post by thewood1 »

And Harpoon is completely unsupported. If you look inside Harpoon, you'll find a lot of kludging went into getting things to work. Even the weather effects were never fleshed out completely before real development stopped.
You are like puss filled boil on nice of ass of bikini model. You are nasty to everybody but then try to sweeten things up with a nice post somewhere else. That's nice but you're still a boil on a beautiful thing! - BDukes
dmagnusson
Posts: 83
Joined: Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:55 pm

RE: CMANO and Harpoon

Post by dmagnusson »

best colection ever
thewood1
Posts: 6886
Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:24 pm

RE: CMANO and Harpoon

Post by thewood1 »

That is a cool collection. I had all of those in a drawer in a closet and when I moved to a new house, I tossed everything. But the Patriot game was in an old box and made the cut.
You are like puss filled boil on nice of ass of bikini model. You are nasty to everybody but then try to sweeten things up with a nice post somewhere else. That's nice but you're still a boil on a beautiful thing! - BDukes
JPV511
Posts: 79
Joined: Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:19 pm

RE: CMANO and Harpoon

Post by JPV511 »

ORIGINAL: stilesw

Got to admit I was somewhat a Harpoon nut before I discovered CMANO:
So I'm guessing you like Harpoon. [;)]

How did the Multimedia Edition compare to previous versions?
User avatar
stilesw
Posts: 1515
Joined: Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:08 pm
Location: Hansville, WA, USA

RE: CMANO and Harpoon

Post by stilesw »

Well, as I recall, the biggest improvement for me was when Harpoon I (Classic '97 I think) was changed to run under Windows 95 instead of DOS. Also, Harpoon II did not seem to be as big a step forward as I had hoped. The "hyped specs" for the Multimedia version are shown in the picture. It included CD ROM support (vs 5.25" and 3.5" floppies) and many more videos and sound clips.

I think they pretty much started to repackage and "enhance" the names to get more sales. Still, all in all, I enjoyed the game/simulation for a long time.

-Wayne

Image
Attachments
H2MM1Custom.jpg
H2MM1Custom.jpg (164.92 KiB) Viewed 1 time
“There is no limit to what a man can do so long as he does not care a straw who gets the credit for it.”

Charles Edward Montague, English novelist and essayist
~Disenchantment, ch. 15 (1922)
User avatar
DavidRob0
Posts: 67
Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:21 am
Location: Western Australia

RE: CMANO and Harpoon

Post by DavidRob0 »

Do you guys remember Patriot? It was a bad attempt at a modern day ground warfare simulation made by Three Sixty.
I certainly remember "Patriot". I think I still have it in a cupboard somewhere. Had a lot of promise, but I found it hard to play, and harder to understand what the game/interface was telling me.
Only the Dead have seen an end to war-
David Rob
User avatar
Sensei.Tokugawa
Posts: 341
Joined: Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:06 pm
Location: Wieluñ, Poland

RE: CMANO and Harpoon

Post by Sensei.Tokugawa »

Funny thing - my thread form 2 and half years ago where I was seeking advice whether I should include Harpoon UCE in my naval warfare digital studies if I had already had CMANO was one of the two threads summarily closed by the admin here. Now ... this?
"-What if one doesn't make it?
-Then we know he was no good for SpetsNaz. ..."
V. Suvorov, "Spetsnaz;the Story behind the Soviet SAS"

...No escape from Passchendaele .../ God Dethroned, "Passiondale"

mavfin
Posts: 274
Joined: Tue Jun 22, 2010 5:22 pm

RE: CMANO and Harpoon

Post by mavfin »

What I remember about the first Harpoon product I had (about 1995-ish?) was that I sent in a bug report, and got a floppy disk in the mail with an updated game engine on it, return address name Don Gilman.

But yeah, Command is way past it. Well, it was originally written in the late 80s. That was coming up on 40 years ago now. I would hope there would be some advances!

I mean, back then, programming a product like this had a LOT of deciding what you could do, and what you simply didn't have RAM/disk space/CPU for. Not so much a problem now, when Command on my hard drive, with extra images, and the Steam community Scenario pack, runs up between 15-20 GB, and even my old desktop has 16 GB of RAM, and a 6-core 2012-vintage Intel Westmere Xeon.

The original computer I ran Harpoon Classic on (and I was way later to the party than Wayne, Gunner, etc) had a 250 MB (not GB) hard drive, and a whole 8 MB of RAM. I had a 32-bit processor at 33 MHz. So, yeah, there's no way the core game could run on a basis to even belong in the same universe with Command. Harpoon was pretty awesome...30 years ago. Oh, and downloading things from the internet was possible, but that was at 28.8K baud, not at the 45 Mbits that I run now on my DSL.

So, it's not that Harpoon was bad...it's just OLD now.

The whole other kerfluffle I won't even mention other than to say that it's just old BS that no one should bother touching. It's like old moldy turds. Do you really want to look or smell any further? They stunk then, and it still does, so just don't bother.

--Mav
Dimitris
Posts: 13402
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:29 am
Contact:

RE: CMANO and Harpoon

Post by Dimitris »

ORIGINAL: mavfin
I mean, back then, programming a product like this had a LOT of deciding what you could do, and what you simply didn't have RAM/disk space/CPU for.

This is always the case, even today.
User avatar
Primarchx
Posts: 1946
Joined: Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:29 pm

RE: CMANO and Harpoon

Post by Primarchx »

I remember buying a copy of the Harpoon boxed wargame in 1988 and saw a flyer in it saying to stand by for the upcoming PC version from 360 Pacific. I was quite poor at the time but had recently bought a 286 PC and started saving my pennies for the actual game. I would troop over to the closest Software Etc every couple of week to see if they had any info on this game. Finally, in 1989, it showed up and I've been hooked on it and its' literal and spiritual descendants ever since.
thewood1
Posts: 6886
Joined: Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:24 pm

RE: CMANO and Harpoon

Post by thewood1 »

I played Harpoon original from the initial release. I gave up on it when the db wars started on Matrix. I kind of kept track of it. But always hoped that Red Pill worked out.

I see people who think Command is just a modern Harpoon. That statement can only be made in ignorance.
You are like puss filled boil on nice of ass of bikini model. You are nasty to everybody but then try to sweeten things up with a nice post somewhere else. That's nice but you're still a boil on a beautiful thing! - BDukes
User avatar
SeaQueen
Posts: 1338
Joined: Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:20 am
Location: Washington D.C.

RE: CMANO and Harpoon

Post by SeaQueen »

Maybe some day we can get them to fund "Command: Supercomputing Edition." LOL!
ORIGINAL: Dimitris
This is always the case, even today.
User avatar
Primarchx
Posts: 1946
Joined: Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:29 pm

RE: CMANO and Harpoon

Post by Primarchx »

ORIGINAL: SeaQueen

Maybe some day we can get them to fund "Command: Supercomputing Edition." LOL!
ORIGINAL: Dimitris
This is always the case, even today.

I'm pretty impressed on what's shoved under the hood right now. The fact that we have a complete war game that allows you to fight across the entire topographically-represented Planet Earth in real time still blows me away.
Post Reply

Return to “Command: Modern Operations series”