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“‘Who controls the past,’ ran the Party slogan, ‘controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.’”

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Not exactly "Breaking News", but I thought it was an interesting read:

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-bu ... orld-19746
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http://www.atimes.com/article/light-war ... tech-arms/

I wonder if the US is placing platforms into higher and higher orbits i.e retrograde orbits. Talk about taking high ground.

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ASAT probably isnt the endgame here. ABM is.
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ORIGINAL: kevinkin

Talk about taking high ground.

Kevin

"maybe", "we dont know for sure","they do something" ,pfeh

I prefere design bureau "Arsenal" stuff
They made Lotos-S ELINT and Pion-NKS radar satellites
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But they dream BIG ! Prepare yourself, for "Arsenal" dreams!
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From up to down :ELINT/SIGINT + Multispectrum Jammer , two variants of radar
all of them ~7t payload module and...
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space nuclear reactor
if reactor integrated in spacecraft it is 12-17t for reactor ,so ~25t for whole
if payload module and reactor launched separarely it is 15-22t for reactor +7t for payload module
all this things for > 1500km orbit , 212-442 kW(depend on reactor regime),7 year work etc,etc...

So, comrade use proper stuff from design bureau "Arsenal" and be happy with it.
Jamming entire planet from the orbit with nuclear satellite - it is only way to be sure!





P.S.God , sometimes I hate this powerpoint presentation , so much colors but so little information
site of KB "Arsenal" : http://www.kbarsenal.ru/razrabotki/rake ... a-tekhnika
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So the OST is no longer in effect? Why aren't we seeing Rod of God, Solar Focal Beam Satellite or Orbital Missiles yet?
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Non-military news, but something that modern military always strikes for: advanced materials in rare earth.

Guangxi, China found a large rare earth deposit in Pingnan County from mining area.

A number of rare earth ore resources have been explored to reach the size of the super large rare earth deposits. The rare earth mineral resources can be used for more than 100 years of mining enterprises with an annual output of 2 million tons of ore.

http://www.china.com/act/military/568/2 ... 19987.html (Simplified Chinese)
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ORIGINAL: Triode
ORIGINAL: kevinkin

Talk about taking high ground.

Kevin

"maybe", "we dont know for sure","they do something" ,pfeh

I prefere design bureau "Arsenal" stuff


P.S.God , sometimes I hate this powerpoint presentation , so much colors but so little information
site of KB "Arsenal" : http://www.kbarsenal.ru/razrabotki/rake ... a-tekhnika

Nice, thanks for that!
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A rare view from South Korea about why China has justification to fear the THAAD (Radar):

http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_ ... 93916.html

AN/TPY-2 radar could track any Chinese ICBMs as they pass over the Korean peninsula

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Projected tracking results by AN/TPY2

THAAD deployment in South Korea would make early interception possible
Two scholars were wondering about the reason why China has voiced its strong opposition to the potential deployment of THAAD on the Korean peninsula. They took note of very powerful X-band radar that can construct radar images of distant targets to a resolution of about 0.15 meters. They thought that Chinese are concerned that this radar could be used to image the deployment of warheads and decoys from their ICBMs at an early stage of their flight.
After they received the question from the Hankyoreh reporter that if this radar is fixed to the direction toward not China but North Korea, what its impact on China would be, they started to examine this issue closely and then they found new points.
The two scholars noted that ICBMs launched from China will be highly likely to pass within 2000 to 3000 km north of South Korea. Since the trajectories are hundreds of kilometers above the earth, these trajectories would be within direct line of sight of THAAD radar based in South Korea looking north. Given the fundamental characteristics of this radar, it is capable of scanning about 100° of sky from left to right and to beyond 90° relative to horizontal. Due to the radars extremely wide scanning capability, and it‘s high power, it can potentially track Chinese ICBMs as they fly through its field of view on trajectories towards the United States.

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Estimated physical dimensions and L-band radar cross sections of the Chinese DF-5 rocket stages
The crucial thing here is whether the detectable range of this radar could reach to that long distance. Two scholars examined specifications of Chinese DF-5 and capabilities of this radar closely. They found that the upper stage of DF-5 in flight could be exposed to the detection of the radar based on South Korea.
The radar is equipment that detects and tracks targets by transmitting radio signals towards target objects and then analyzes its reflected signals. The main factor that determines its detectable range is the radar cross-section (RCS). RCS of an object depends on its geometrical shape and its orientation relative to the direction of the radar beam. The larger the RCS of an object is, the longer is its detectable range. The RCS varies considerably according to radar viewing angles. In the case of the upper stage of DF-5 missiles, it becomes larger in its side and end from viewing angles than in its cone-shaped nose. The two scholars said, “The THAAD radar could estimate the direction and velocity of the object by many measurements a minute as the target moves.”
The point here is how large the RCS of the upper stage of DF-5 would be. The two scholars estimated how the RCS for the upper stage with its shroud would vary according to radar viewing angles during its flight towards the U.S., specifically in sky north of South Korea. Its results was large enough for them to be surprised. “Mirror-like reflections”, which are analogous to the situation of shining a flashlight into a mirror, occur at 70 degree off the nose direction and at 90 degree perpendicular to the nose direction. Such reflections are called “speculars” within radar jargon.
It is noteworthy what would occur when the shroud, which protects the upper rocket stage and its warheads from aerodynamic forces and heating during the early stages of powered flight of the ICBM, is removed. The shroud is typically removed at about 100 km altitude, after the DF-5 has dropped its first stage and when the second stage is in powered flight for 30 or 40 seconds. The second stage continues flying for roughly 1.5 to 2 minutes after the shroud is dropped. When the second stage finishes its powered flight it then begins the process of deploying its warheads. Two scholars estimated that when the shroud is removed, the radar’s detectable range could reach to approximately 3700 km or more “in almost all orientations both nose on and back on.” Also, when the upper rocket stage is coasting after burnout, it would give a strong radar reflection over a wide range viewing angles. Professor Postol wrote in an email, “their net conclusion is that the AN/TPY-2 radar would be highly viable for tracking Chinese ICBMs as they pass north of South Korea.”
In particular, they noted that if data about the orientation of the upper rocket stage is identified when the warhead is deployed from the upper stage, then it is possible to infer the trajectories of the warhead. Professor Postol said, “even if the warheads are not actually observable by the radar, an estimate of the trajectories on which they might be coming could be made with potentially reasonable precision.”
Thus, this data from the radar could be used by the US missile defense systems in Alaska to conduct the early launch of its interceptors against Chinese ICBMs towards the US mainland, the two scholars said. Hence the concerns of Chinese military planners.
 
By Park Hyun, Washington correspondent

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This appears to be the answer to the notion that the AN/TPY-2 has only 1000km and cant detect the DF-5s fired from their sites in central China;

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China-Defense member Danfried succintly wrote following comment and pointed to the link above:
Total garbage. It completely ignores the possibility of the TPY-2 radar being used in Forward Base Mode (FBM), where the data is passed on to missile interceptors elsewhere, e.g. GMD interceptors in Alaska. FBM is also much more powerful, with potentially up to a 3,000 km range!

The U.S. promises the radar will only be operated in Terminal Mode (TM), which gives the 1,000 km in the diagram Don Juan posted. BUT the hardware is identical for both modes -- and the switch between modes can be done through software in a matter of hours!

So yeah, China has damn good reason to fear a THAAD installation could be used to improve U.S. missile defenses against it. But I have to disagree with Hongjian. It's far too early to assume that pressure on S. Korea won't work. There are MUCH higher levels of screw-turning that China could apply, and I'm sure the Chinese will let the Koreans know this. Look at what happened when Japan announced they would put a Chinese citizen on trial for entering "their" Diaoyutai waters. They didn't anticipate the rare earth metal tactic and ended up caving quickly and completely.

Seems that deploying Boost-Glide weapons like the DF-ZF has become ever more important for China's nuclear deterrence. These HGVs are said to fly a flat trajectory just above 100km altitude, which would allow them to fly below the radar horizon of the AN/TPY-2, when launched from central China.
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Many Chinese medias does concern with THAAD, but actually the capability of intercepting ICBMs isn't the biggest problem China is facing.

The biggest concern is the radar it used, AN/TPY-2. It isn't just a radar to track any ballistic missiles under its detection range, but also runs in X-band with very high strength to read stealthy targets. including aircrafts. And it has the datalink for PAC-3 and SM-2/3 air defense integration too.

With its system installed, US will have drastic advantage to counter aerial threats from Chinese region, way more than Chinese or NK ICBMs.

And I made that topic long ago: tm.asp?m=4133361
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China's CSSC Unveiled the Type 730C Dual Gun and Missile CIWS

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During IDEX-NAVDEX, held from 19th to 23rd February in Abu Dhabi in the United Arab Emirates, Chinese company CSSC (China Shipbuilding Trading Co. Ltd.) unveiled the Type 730C dual gun and missile close in weapon system (CIWS). It combines the existing Type 730 seven-barrelled 30 mm Gatling gun system (Chinese Navy designation: H/PJ12) with 6x FL-3000N (Flying Leopard 3000 Naval missile, Chinese Navy designation: AJK-10 or HQ-10).
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... -ciws.html
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What kind of abomination is that... [X(]

But I see a hexagon barrel mount, wasn't it the 1130 (down) rather than 730 (up, barrel mount is square)? The turret tower design though is rather different, could be an export variant, or an improved design for extra launchers.

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This is something what scenario editors love to play with: editing ship weapons and equipments. US Navy is now doing the same, but to be tested on real water, and inside the combat system.

USS Dahlgren is a 'warship' of anything the navy could imagine: a perfect replica of current serving ships, futuristic guardian, intruding villain, or just about all kind of ship put into and without.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/virtual-warfa ... 02921.html
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-ja ... 39012.html

"Japan wants to invite Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte, who has pushed ties with China in recent months as he has criticized the old alliance with the United States, to visit the Izumo when it visits Subic Bay, about 100 km (62 miles) west of Manila, another of the sources said."

Got to get the Philippines back in the fold.

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-navy- ... rea-2017-3

"Additionally, the US's newest combat aircraft, the F-35, will fly in to simulate attacks on North Korea's missile infrastructure, Joon Gang Daily reports."

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I read the comment section of this news. Strange world isn't it? This keep asking me why US did not foresee the Communist aggression (which is entered in China while Republic KMT hunting them down) and unite with Japan before the Pearl Harbor attack?

This could give Japan much of prosperity, and to 'end' the Chinese 'primates' becomes the superpower nowadays. No need to use A-bomb on Japan which US forced to be regretted with as well. While letting Nazi Germany and Soviet Union killing and weakening each other until US can take them both -- end of both communism and fascism.

It's too late to say whatever they wish for both Japan and US in military projections. They still could stop Chinese aggression today, doesn't mean it's worth to reminisce the Cold War once more. Unless we really believe death is the only option.

(Inspired by Baloogan's Nuclear War scenario, of the Chinese retaliation on Japan.)
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The Pakistan Army has inducted the LY 80 (HQ16A) into its air defence system:

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/192010-Modern-air-defence-system-handed-over-to-army
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China's CSSC Unveiled the Type 730C Dual Gun and Missile CIWS

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During IDEX-NAVDEX, held from 19th to 23rd February in Abu Dhabi in the United Arab Emirates, Chinese company CSSC (China Shipbuilding Trading Co. Ltd.) unveiled the Type 730C dual gun and missile close in weapon system (CIWS). It combines the existing Type 730 seven-barrelled 30 mm Gatling gun system (Chinese Navy designation: H/PJ12) with 6x FL-3000N (Flying Leopard 3000 Naval missile, Chinese Navy designation: AJK-10 or HQ-10).
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... -ciws.html
I've felt this is exactly what the U.S. Navy should try to achieve with Phalanx and SeaRAM system. I never liked the idea of a 11 cell launcher alone when you could have a large swarm of incomings. I also understand the range difference and the value of the missiles.
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Recent report on JASSM status - March 10

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/agm ... es-014343/

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Combat effectiveness: Patriot 1, Phantom 0
Unit-price ratio: Patriot 1, Phantom 15000

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 31466.html

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You cannot tell or even imagine the power of nuclear weapon without a video, especially the post-Hiroshima designs. US declassified some 2400FPS films used to record many US nuclear test experiments:

http://newatlas.com/classified-nuclear-test-film/48429/
https://youtu.be/pWpqGKUG5yY
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Russia MoD: Problems with Ka-52K Katran Naval Helicopter Following Mediterranean Trials
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According to Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov that the Ka-52K shipborne helicopter had certain imperfections following early shipborne trials. The deputy defense minister expressed confidence that they would be removed soon.
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... rials.html

Russia to Launch 1st Project 955A SSBN Submarine Knyaz Vladimir in August-September 2017
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The Project 955A Borei-A class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine Knyaz Vladimir will be floated out in August or September 2017, a source in Russia’s defense industry told TASS.
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... -2017.html

Russian Navy Borey-class SSBN & Victor III-class SSN Practiced Dueling Each Other with Torpedoes
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The Project 955 (NATO reporting name: Dolgorukiy-class) K-535 Yuri Dolgoruky nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine (SSBN) and Project 671RTMK (Victor III-class) K-138 Obninsk nuclear-powered attack submarine of the Russian Navy’s Northern Fleet have practiced dueling and launching torpedoes, according to the fleet’s press office.
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... edoes.html

Kawasaki Heavy Industries Delivers the 8th Soryu-class SSK SS-508 Sekiryu to the JMSDF
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SS-508 Sekiryu is the 27th submarine built by Kawasaki after the war and the 8th Soryu-class submarine supplied to the JMSDF (the 4th built by Kawaski, the other four ones having been built by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries). Sekiryu means Red Dragon. Sekiryu's keel was laid in March 2013, the SSK was launched in November 2015.
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... jmsdf.html
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