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[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: jun5896

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MQ-25_Stingray

New Carrier-Based Aerial-Refueling System (CBARS) UAV (2021?)

RAQ-25 was officially renamed as MQ-25

Make sure you're using the latest db although this mod might be in the current beta (so make sure you're suing that).

Should be under RAQ-25 Stingray UCAV along with the 20 other names its had. You'll also see an armed version.

This platform is highly experimental at this point.

M

[JamitovHymem]

I don't really understand why the 346 and 346A APAR on 052C and 052D DDG are early 1990s tech, they should be a lot more advanced than that, especially the 346A



BTW, currently is there anyway to see whether or not a radar has special characteristics in game?(for example, AESA, PESA, etc)
This might be helpful sometimes when playing

[Dysta]

ORIGINAL: JamitovHymem

I don't really understand why the 346 and 346A APAR on 052C and 052D DDG are early 1990s tech, they should be a lot more advanced than that, especially the 346A

BTW, currently is there anyway to see whether or not a radar has special characteristics in game?(for example, AESA, PESA, etc)
This might be helpful sometimes when playing

They did characterized the APAR to be harder to jam after v1.10 update before.

As for the Chinese 052C/D's APARs, it is because they don't disclose their origins officially, and mostly believed it's came from Ukraine and guesstimates the development year as 90s. Yet the company denied when 052C comes out.

http://blog.sina.cn/dpool/blog/s/blog_3 ... 2uxwq.html

346A's radar for 052D has the detection range equal of the US's SPY-1, and slightly superior with APAR's jamming resistance in game, so I think it's fair to say China have the better radar. Until the Zumwalt and AB3 have their better upgrades.

[SASR]

New class of replenishment oiler for the USN.

John Lewis-class, previously known as T-AO(X) and the replacement for the Henry J. Kasier-Class

T-AO 205 John Lewis -- United States (Navy), 2020

Some Info and specs are known right now but will get hammered out further as they get closer to construction. So far it looks very similar to the Kaiser class.

From: https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/R43546.pdf
"The Navy wants to procure the first TAO-205 in FY2016 and the remaining 16 ships at a rate of
one per year during the period FY2018-FY2033. If this procurement schedule were implemented,
the Navy projects that the lead ship would enter service in FY2020 and that the remaining ships
would enter service at a rate of one per year during the period FY2021-FY2036."

From: https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/R43546.pdf
"Although the design of the TAO-205 has not yet been determined in detail, the Navy anticipates
that the ship will have capabilities similar to those of the Kaiser-class ships, and that the TAO-205
will rely on existing technologies rather than new technologies. To guard against oil spills, TAO-
205s are to be double-hulled, like modern commercial oil tankers, with a space between the two
hulls to protect the inner hull against events that puncture the outer hull. (The final Kaiser-class
ships are double-hulled, but earlier ships in the class are single-hulled.)"

From: https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/R43546.pdf
"The press report stated that the TAO-205 would have capabilities similar to the Kaiser-class ships,
but that compared to the Kaiser-class design, the TAO-205 will have increased space for dry
cargo, as well as a refueling capability for helicopters on its deck.8"

From: https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/R43546.pdf
"The T-AO(X) will only have a limited capability to defeat a submarine launched torpedo
attack and no capability to defeat a missile attack. When delivered, the TAO(X) will
have:
—[the] NIXIE Torpedo Countermeasure System [for decoying certain types of
torpedoes]
—[the] Advanced Degaussing System (Anti-Mine) [for reducing the ship’s magnetic
signature, so as to reduce the likelihood of attack by magnetically fused mines]
When required, the T-AO(X) will also have ability to embark Navy Expeditionary
Combat Command Expeditionary Security Teams (EST). The ESTs will embark with
several crew served weapons and are designed to provide limited self-defense against a
small boat attack.
The T-AO(X) will have Space, Weight, Power and Cooling (SWAP-C) margins for
future installations of the following systems:
—[the] Close In Weapon System (CIWS) or SeaRAM (Rolling Airframe Missile) [for
defense against missile attack]
—[the] Anti-Torpedo Torpedo Defense System (ATTDS) [for destroying torpedoes]
Even after the installation of a CIWS or ATTDS, if the T-AO(X) was to operate in
anything other than a benign environment, the ship will require both air and surface
escorts."

[JamitovHymem]

ORIGINAL: Dysta

ORIGINAL: JamitovHymem

I don't really understand why the 346 and 346A APAR on 052C and 052D DDG are early 1990s tech, they should be a lot more advanced than that, especially the 346A

BTW, currently is there anyway to see whether or not a radar has special characteristics in game?(for example, AESA, PESA, etc)
This might be helpful sometimes when playing

They did characterized the APAR to be harder to jam after v1.10 update before.

As for the Chinese 052C/D's APARs, it is because they don't disclose their origins officially, and mostly believed it's came from Ukraine and guesstimates the development year as 90s. Yet the company denied when 052C comes out.

346A's radar for 052D has the detection range is equal to SPY-1, and slightly superior with APAR's jamming resistance in game, so I think it's fair to say China have the better radar. Until the Zumwalt and AB3 have their better upgrades.

I think the blog already gave a pretty valid argument to deny the claim...

[mikmykWS]

We just need data to make the change but keep in mind the generation doesn't actually mean it was built then but the design likely was.

If you look in the database viewer under Sensors/EW you can find type usually in the name on the right and the abilities on the left.



Mike

[Dysta]

ORIGINAL: JamitovHymem

I think the blog already gave a pretty valid argument to deny the claim...

Indeed, but not at the development years.

According to the Chinese official information released at various defense and electronics / radar exhibitions held in China, the Research Institute of Electronic Technology (more commonly known as the 14th Institute) at Nanjing is the developer of the system, and the radar is a direct successor to Type H/LJG-346 SAPARS (Shipborne Active Phased Array Radar System) that was completed in 1997, which was also completely indigenous and designed by the same institute.

For 346A still remain in 90s tech category, I think it's a simple improvement to gain extra miles of range based on the originals, while it's also using same bandwidth and operation method of APAR. Unless we have the claim to say 346A's development is latter than 90s and have significant differences, 90s is already realistically believable.

[JamitovHymem]

ORIGINAL: Dysta

ORIGINAL: JamitovHymem

I think the blog already gave a pretty valid argument to deny the claim...

Indeed, but not at the development years.

According to the Chinese official information released at various defense and electronics / radar exhibitions held in China, the Research Institute of Electronic Technology (more commonly known as the 14th Institute) at Nanjing is the developer of the system, and the radar is a direct successor to Type H/LJG-346 SAPARS (Shipborne Active Phased Array Radar System) that was completed in 1997, which was also completely indigenous and designed by the same institute.

For 346A still remain in 90s tech category, I think it's a simple improvement to gain extra miles of range based on the originals, while it's also using same bandwidth and operation method of APAR. Unless we have the claim to say 346A's development is latter than 90s and have significant differences, 90s is already realistically believable.

Since the blog says the 346 was a direct successor to the Type H/LJG-346 SAPARS which was completed in 1997, it doesn't really make sense if the 346 is early 1990s.

But the 346A has liquid cooling and the 346 has air cooling. This should make some significant differences in the performance between them.

[cdnice]

Can the CH-146 Griffon be added to the database? I went looking but could not find it in the latest version.

http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/en/air ... h-146.page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_CH-146_Griffon

Thank you for the consideration.

[Skjold]

I would like to request these Algerian additions to the DB please.

S-400 (Unknown version, presumably SA-21a?) #1668
16 TEL Launchers in total.
Delivery 2015-2016.

Buk-M2E (SA-17 Grizzly) #1913
48 launchers in total.
Delivery 2014-2015.

Pantsir-S1E (SA-22 Greyhound) #1935
38 vehicles in total.
Delivery 2010-2013.

Sources:
http://armstrade.org/files/obrazecglava4.pdf (Page 14-15) - Note: This is in Russian.

Add Raptor II capability to #3197 Su-24MK2
Delivery 2008.

Edit: Seems very similar to the existing H4-SOW (#3311 & #3312) entry with these differences.

Payload:600 kg HE warhead
Range:200 km (108 nm)


Sources:
http://armstrade.org/files/obrazecglava4.pdf (Page 16) - Note: This is in Russian.
http://www.deneldynamics.co.za/products ... /raptor-ii - Mentions Su-24 Integration

[mikmykWS]

Updated our worklist to this point. Thanks all!

Mike

[Pancor]

Hello

it looks like the weapon #2376 - FAB-4000M-46 GPB has the warhead for the FAB-5000M-46. while the #2377 - FAB-5000M-46 has the warhead for the FAB-4000M-46

could you fix it

thanks

Fixed Thanks

[jun5896]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TT-400TP_gunboat

This ship is missing on the database. It was commissioned in 2012 (4 ships).

[Pancor]

Hello

it looks like the IRST system for the MiG-35 is the OLS-UEM not the OLS-35

OLS-UEM can detect & track air targets automatically. It consists of IR camera with matrix 320x256 and TV camera 640x480. Their cover is made from leuco sapphire. The mirror scan the air space of +/-90 degrees horizontally and -15/+60 deg vertically. Target can be detected from 45 km (rear hemispere) and 15km (front). Laser rangefinder work in two modes. Training (safe for eyes) and combat, in a range from 200 m up to 15 km. The station weigths 78 kg and is mounted in the same bay as the old OLS-29 was.


And the DECM is not the L-203 Gardenia but its the ELT/568(v)2

my preferences
http://www.deagel.com/Navigation-and-Ta ... 04001.aspx
http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-f ... post164156
+
Here's the Avionics for the MiG-35
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/i ... pic=1728.0
http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=20919&page=23

Thanks

[msc]

Is it possible to add following units to db3000, since those were in service until the 1990ies:

M 2650 Ariadne 1961-1992 (see CWDB and my posting to CWDB-platform-request-thread)

M 1060 Schütze (Sweeper) 1959-1992 (see CWDB and my posting to CWDB-platform-request-thread)

M 1072 Lindau (Type 331 Hunter 1968-2000) (see CWDB and my posting to CWDB-platform-request-thread)

M 1072 Lindau Type HL 351 Troika Drone Control Vessel 1981-2000
(conversion from lindau-sweeper, with mine avoidance sonar DSQS 11A, reduced
mine-sweeping gear on board, Galileo OGR 7, ESM DR 855)

Seehund ROV (Troika Mine Contermeasure System) 1981-2000
for use with "Lindau Type 351"
equipment like #2140
(you can use #2140, I think there are no significant differences between versions
1982-2000 [control vessel Type 351] and after 2000 [control vessel type 352])


Please check equipment of following units:

#2140 Seehund ROV (Troika Plus Mine Countermeasures System)
wrong photo
no mechanical mcm gear, only magnetic&acoustic

#1507 P 6092 Zobel [Type 142A]
Radar was KH 14/9 instead of 3RM-20
ESM was DR 875 instead of NO/VR
(possibly chaff/flares on board)
40mm - total about 3100 rnds on board! (144 rnds immediately available on each turret)
40mm/L70 Type Bofors MEL DSTY 58 radar controlled or control by Galileo OGR7/2

[Mgellis]

Slowly but surely, I am working on a scenario involving Romania and Ukraine...

Please consider adding the following RQ-7 Shadow variant:

RQ-7 Shadow 600
Romania
Service dates: 1998-present

"AAI has also built a scaled-up Pioneer derivative known as the "Shadow 600". It also resembles a Pioneer, except that the outer panels of the wings are distinctively swept back, and it has a stronger Wankel engine, the UAV EL 801, with 52 hp (39 kW). A number of Shadow 600s are in service in several nations, including Romania." --Wikipedia

"AAI has delivered the six Shadow 600 unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) to Romania which were part of a $20-million order package. The Shadow 600s delivered to Romania were loaded with an Infametrics package that weigh around 17kg and contains a daylight color television camera and thermal imager. With a maximum load weight of 45-55kg, the UAV can carry two to three sensors simulataneously, such as the standard fit of a video recorder that permits the vehicle to be deployed beyond the line of sight from the ground control station (GCS). The Romanian Shadow 600s also includes a universal GCS that incorporates 226,000 source lines of software code."
http://www.readabstracts.com/Business-i ... l-UAV.html

"The AAI Shadow 400 and Shadow 600:

The RQ-7 200 is the only Shadow variant in service with the U.S. military. AAI Corporation (with limited success) also offered Shadow 400 and 600 variants. The Shadow 400 was proposed as a ship-based variant, with a hydraulic launcher and a net recovery system, designed to support naval operations. No production aircraft have been built and AAI is no longer offering this variant. The endurance of the Shadow 600 UAV is in the 12-14 hour range vs. 6 hours for the RQ-7A 200 variant and 9 hours for the RQ-7B 200. Other improvements include a more powerful 52 hp engine (the RQ-7 200 engine has 38 hp). A limited no. of Shadow 600 production aircraft were built and AAI is no longer offering this variant." -- http://www.bga-aeroweb.com/Defense/RQ-7-Shadow.html

Thanks for considering this one.

[SASR]

AIM-9X Block II Range has been doubled over the Block 1

From: http://www.seapowermagazine.org/stories ... siles.html

The 9X Block II can do things its predecessors could hardly have imagined. For example, it is equipped with a 360-degree engagement capability and a data link, said Capt. Jim Stoneman, chief of the Navy’s Air-to-Air Missiles Program Office. That enables a pilot to fire the missile first and then aim it at a target.

“The pilot can shoot and then pass more information to the missile” via the data link to vector the missile to a target, Stoneman said during a briefing May 16 at the 2016 Sea-Air-Space Exposition. The missile’s 360-degree capability enables it to engage targets — even those behind the aircraft, he said.

On some planes, such as the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter, pilots will be able to aim the missiles using sights built into their helmets.

Although the Sidewinder was developed as a short-range missile meant for close-in kills, the Block II’s range has been “about doubled,” Stoneman said, making it into a “beyond-visual-range” weapon.

[stilesw]

DB entry 1023 - SAM Bty (Patriot [PAC-2GEM+]) - United States (Army), 2004, 6x Lnchr - states that it can be guided by AN/APQ-65. However I cannot find any AN/APQ-65 entry in the DB. The last entry is for AN/APQ-64. Am I missing something?
Running CMANO v1.11 SR2 Build 839.4 DB3000 Database Build 445. Also, the same is true
Running CMANO v1.11 Beta Build 843 DB3000 Database Build 445.

Thanks.
-Wayne Stiles

[Vici Supreme]

ORIGINAL: stilesw

DB entry 1023 - SAM Bty (Patriot [PAC-2GEM+]) - United States (Army), 2004, 6x Lnchr - states that it can be guided by AN/APQ-65. However I cannot find any AN/APQ-65 entry in the DB. The last entry is for AN/APQ-64. Am I missing something?
Running CMANO v1.11 SR2 Build 839.4 DB3000 Database Build 445. Also, the same is true
Running CMANO v1.11 Beta Build 843 DB3000 Database Build 445.

Thanks.
-Wayne Stiles

Wayne, the AN/MPQ-65 is already implemented in the Patriot battery so you don't have to add it separately. You can check this by looking at the mounts and sensors of the respective unit. [:)]

[jun5896]

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/dprk/kn-08.htm
http://38north.org/2016/03/chamjin032316/
http://www.janes.com/article/55190/nort ... kn-08-icbm
https://www.nknews.org/2015/10/analysis ... ry-parade/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KN-08

KN-08 ICBM

http://www.janes.com/article/59282/nort ... ation-sams
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/20 ... 00315.html
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/na ... 01736.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... k/kn-6.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KN-06
http://armyrecognition.com/april_2016_g ... 04161.html
http://world-defense.com/threads/northk ... test.3794/

KN-06 SAM(S-300 copy, TEL - HQ-09?)


https://www.nknews.org/2013/11/north-ko ... ile-media/
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/htm ... 00741.html

NK extends KN-01(ASM) range? (Korean source)


http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world ... issile.htm

more north korea missiles list