What other WCS game(s) do you own?

From the first clash at Manassas to the epic confrontation between Lee and Grant, the Brother Against Brother series will bring new levels of historical detail and realism to the battles of the Civil War. This regimental-level game, created by the developers of the award-winning Forge of Freedom, builds on that game’s acclaimed tactical engine, adding scrupulously researched orders of battle, high-quality map graphics, command and control rules reflecting the numerous challenges faced by army commanders, and plenty other features. Beginning with The Drawing of The Sword – which recreates the pivotal opening battles at Manassas , Wilson ’s Creek, Mill Springs and Williamsburg – Brother Against Brother lets you refight the Civil War from start to finish.

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We at Western Civilization Software are curious to know if "Brother against Brother" is your first game from WCS, or if you have previously purchased one or more titles. So, a poll thread seems in order, providing a selection of our other games. Thank you for taking the time to respond.
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Brother against Brother is my first and only game from WCS i'm sorry to say, will now look at a few others and get some of them when time allows, sorry boss[X(] [:(]

i'd like the set if you'd do me a bundle [:D][;)]
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This is my first WCS game....could you make that a poll option?
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Sure, I just did so. Thanks for the suggestion.
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The Conflict of Heroes games was my first and only WCS games. The lack of post release support taught me a lesson.
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I have four others, I can't afford this one yet. You make great games!
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The first three on the poll list.
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First time, and it is a nice one [:D]
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After the "Conflict of Heroes" series I decided to make that my last WCS game(s).
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ORIGINAL: Blond_Knight

After the "Conflict of Heroes" series I decided to make that my last WCS game(s).

I have felt that way about another company in the past but still try to keep an open mind.

If you like good games and the American Civil war this one is real gem. I have not played Conflict of Heroes so won't comment on it. However Brother Against Brother is a great well done game.
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Conflict of Heroes was also a very good game(s). It was the complete abandonment of the series post release that soured me on WCS. A perfect example was additional scripting tools. We were told that additional scripting documentation would be made available. After months of waiting and posting ................. complete silence. CoH was dropped faster than a hot potato.
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I'm dissapointed to see the COH comments here. I understand that something was promised which was not delivered in the scripting docs you mention. I don't recall that but I'll see if we can provide it.

However, I strongly contest the idea that COH was dropped faster than a hot potato. WCS in fact not only supported and updated COH, but did a very major post-release overhaul to make the game more faithful to the board game rules based on community feedback and to make graphical improvements to the 2D mode of play. This was above and beyond normal post-release updates and this was despite the fact that during pre-release development, they were fully partnered with the original board game designer and following his design for the computer game.

In addition, on their own initiative they continued to invest in COH with the Storms of Steel expansion. Unfortunately, neither the original COH nor Storms of Steel met our expectations sales-wise and a series cannot continue indefinitely if that's the case, especially when it's based on a license and not our own IP. After Storms of Steel, COH was left in good shape with several updates including some major feature additions as a stable, finished game.

For previous projects, COG and FOF, WCS has also gone above and beyond in post-release support with many, many feature and content additions post-release.

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ORIGINAL: Blond_Knight

After the "Conflict of Heroes" series I decided to make that my last WCS game(s).

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Sorry Erik but it was the forum silence that got me....
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Yikes, loved COH. One of the most fun gaming experiences I have had. Oozes quality. Just sayin'
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I've Forge of Freedom and Conflict of Heroes (AtB,GD and SoS). These are very good games.
I'm interested by the new game but I don't know if I will take it now.
No problem with Forge of Freedom but the forum silence for Conflict of Heroes has disappointed me.
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Another vote for CoH. I'm disappointed to hear it didn't sell to expectations, but I have no complaints about the finished products. Very much enjoy playing it and I still recommend it.

BaB is turning out very well for me, too. I've spotted what seem to be two small info screen bugs (Brigade status reported as being previous status by some screens, correctly by others) but nothing game-breaking so far. Once I got past the familiarity stage and learned to think correctly about my brigades, the game just sucked me in.

When will there be more scenarios? Day one purchase for me. :-)
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In response to the disaffected COH customer: After COH was released I did months of full time work on patches that added features to the game in response to customer feedback, during which time I was very active in the forum there. We don't really see a big increase in sales from such work, so I was basically doing months of unpaid labor for the benefit of COH fans. I don't mind this so much since I hope that our fan-base will be grateful for the extra work, and I try to work hard to build customer loyalty. But I cannot work for free forever; gratitude does not buy shoes for my children. I try to spend a few months being active in our game forums after release, but we have now released seven games, and if I tried to be active in all their forums it would be a full time job.

With regard to the support for the modding document, I did begin work on a summary of this, but the code for the AI scripts is extremely technical and I found that it was taking me much, much longer than I had originally anticipated. When I looked at the forum and saw that some of the best mods created by the fans -- with custom graphics and excellent playability -- had only been downloaded by less than a dozen people, I realized then that I simply couldn't afford to spend another week of unpaid full-time work supporting something in which only ten people seemed to have had an interest. I'm sorry if our poster in this thread was one of those ten people. I hope our fans in general will understand that though I will do my best to add requested features and to tweak the games in response to feedback after release, my capacity for this is not infinite, and sometimes when I say that I will add some feature or another I shall not always be able to do it.
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I'm also a fan of CoH and thought it was well-done. I was hoping for more scenarios, but sadly this doesn't look like it's going to happen.

(Maybe Matrix can strike up a deal to port more of the Academy Games board games to the computer, but that sounds like wishful thinking at this point.)

Eric,

Your post went live just as I posted to this tread. A BIG THANK YOU for all the work you put into CoH. I salute your efforts! [&o]
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Ericbabe,

Although I don't like the result, I appreciate your position regarding CoH.

Why didn't you communicate your rationale to the community? It would have cleared the air up front.
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Maybe you're right and I should have posted something by way of an explanation, though there were other factors at work. In my defense, I'm a nerdy war-gaming programmer sort so people-skills aren't the greatest of my talents. (That's why I have Gil!)
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