Spent the blizzard in Poland...and won.

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Spent the blizzard in Poland...and won.

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41-45 GC, Version 1.03, vs Soviet AI, normal difficulty, decisive German victory on 6/17/1943. I wrote a detailed 66-page AAR, downloadable here as a 21MB pdf:

http://www.mediafire.com/?ez21wj1h3g080jv

I will try to upload some rather poor quality screenshots of some of the pdf pages.

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upload 2 (Snowbarossa)

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upload 3 (Barbarossa II)

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upload 4 (The Final Push)

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Forgt to mention that it is possible to zoom on the pdf map at 200% resolution for a closer look.
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Hi all,

Thanks for AAR!


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Oooh, fancy schmancy formatting. Nice. [:)]
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Very nice and detailed AAR. I'm not myself big fan of playing against AI, but damn i liked your AAR. Very clear and nice effort you put on it.
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Very well prepared AAR vs. the AI. Interesting strategic concept that I think a number of us have at least thought about if not actually implemented. It should save you suffering about 1,000,000 casualties from frostbite during the blizzard turns of 41-42. That's a million frostbite casualties even with the 1.04 patch. I tested this over the weekend via an AI vs. AI game.

The goals of this strategy when employing it against a human would be very different than in a Human vs. AI game. It puts the Soviets right on the door step of Rumania for the winter of 41-42. Pushing back to Moscow, Leningrad and Kiev against a human player who now has an 8 or 9-million man army that’s well entrenched in Poland, Belorussia, Ukraine and Bessarabia seems like a rather daunting\impossible task for the Germans in 1942. At least I think it to be impossible against even an average skill level Russian player. But if your intent is to fight a long term delaying action on the Russian\Polish Frontier until 1945, than the extra 1,000,000 men that you avoid loosing from frost bite attrition couldn’t hurt your cause.
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Thank you for the comments. I agree concerning the difficulties associated with employing this strategy against a human opponent, as I stated at the end of the AAR. I should have also added that I wouldn't recommend using this strategy against even the AI if you 1) fail to take Leningrad 2) fail to inflict at least 4 million troop casualties with 80% of those killed/captured. My friend tried the Pullback/Snowbarossa strategy after taking out around 3 million Soviets during Barbarossa, and could not get past the Dnepr in 42. Of course, if you take Leningrad, Moscow, and inflict 4+ million casualties in 41, you likely stand a good chance of getting a decisive victory even if you stay east for the blizzard. I liked the blizzard avoidance approach because you're on permanent offense for most of the game, the Wehrmacht doesn't get emasculated, and you launch Snowbarossa with 500 APs accumulated while sitting through the blizzard. I never fell below 150 APs on any turn after March 42, and I was doing some major reassignments getting 18th Army sorted out.
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I winterred the whole army in Poland in a game against the AI.
At the end of the blizzard losses were 4 million soviet to 1 million german.
The AI had followed my troops to the border and when mud hid many soviet units surrendered. I pushed slowly using my units to makes two deliberate attack a turn along the whole line. The AI kept moving its forces back into contact and the sovied numbers started to fall regularly.

This would not work against a human player but it was an interesting experiment
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Also I you don't have Leningrad, The soviets may take the opportunity to eliminate the finns around July by concentratig some corps there. These troops can the be redeployed to the main front.
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Very good AAR. This game came close to follow just what you did.

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But vs one of the elite SHC players things will look more like this. The ammo bug has been nerfed, but still vs a very good SHC player you be lucky to get very far east.

I would say that if GHC stopped near the two major rivers and held them though 42 summer, that a draw is very possible. SHC would not beable to push until Dec and GHC OOB would be at 4 million.

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Very nice AAR hope you stick around.
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Nice screens. In what program you did them?
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Very nice AAR

But you had already won by turn 17 with losses 4.4M for the russian player and an OOB below 3M. You could have fought forward and won easily
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