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Here is northern China:



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This is 'known' intelligence of India. We have been flying recon from Port Blair with constant overflights of Columbo, Trincomalee, and Madras. The 4th Chutai rotates around to various locations.



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John and I are communicating on what the plan is on India. It's 3/4/42, and the Invasion is underway!

NOTE: A little false intel on the post title....

IJA Component

The following are on transports, and headed for a rendevous point. I estimate a landing on or about the 15th at this point:

IJA Divisions:
2nd
38th
48th
18th
Imperial Gds

4 Tank Rgts
2 Engineering Rgts
2 Army HQs
2 Base Forces
3 SNLF
4 Artillery Units

....that's quite alot of units. I counted about 170 transports with escorts. We carry with us approx. 75K in supplies.

Remaining at Singapore are 3 more divisions, plus more engineers and base forces, resting and prepping after the battle of Sinapore.

Naval Plan

We had many of our BB's damaged in an ill-advised bombardment of Singapore earlier, so our surface support is a bit skinny. We should have enough CV air though to keep the RN at bay, and do some damage if they choose to fight.

CARRIER FORCES:

CAR DIV 2: Soryu, Hiryu, Zuiho,Shoho
SUPPORT FORCE: Junyo,Ryujo,Hosho,Taiyo

The plan is to raid/attack ports on Ceylon, where elements of the RN have been spotted as docked. John is handling the tactics, but we will load extra Kates for this raid.

SURFACE FLEET:

BAT DIV 1 (Ukita): Nagato,Yamashiro, 2 CL, 6 DD

FIRST STRIKING FORCE (Tanaka): 4 CA,2CL,6 DD

ESCORT FORCE (Onoshi): 4 CL, 10 DD

We have a size-3 airbase now at Port Blair, headed to size-4. The RAF has been worked over pretty well in Burma, though they still have level bombers. We expect bombing attacks on the transports, but we will have at least some Zeros on LRCAP from the CVE. Some transport losses are acceptable.
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Brad has tasked me to handle the Clearing of the Japanese Left Flank for the Invasion of India.

Here are my Naval Assets:

CarDiv2--Hiryu/Soryu/Shoho/Zuiho (Adm Yamaguchi) with 2 CA, 1 CL, 8 DD
Support Force--Junyo/Ryujo/Hosho (Adm Yamada) with 1 CA, 1 CL, 7 DD
Cover Force--Taiyo with 4 DD
Raiding Force of 2 CL and 9 DD


CarDiv 2, Support Force, and Raiding Force will follow the moves detailed on the Screenshot. The Cover Force is too slow for effective help so it will travel with the Invasion force provding some CAP.

Day 1 & 2
As seen, the TF will move into position by a sprint run SE and then will close for Naval Attacks in the morning and a massed Port Strike at Columbo in the Afternoon. Junyo and Hosho will be using their planes for Naval Attacks period and all the rest hit Columbo. The Force carries 128 Zero, 38 Val, and and 143 Kate.

Day 3
The TF splits as the Support Force moves back to a position on the flank of the Invasion Force but with the ability to hit Trincomalee, Madras, and anything at sea. CarDiv2 moves around Ceylon and hunts anything at sea it can find...

The Raiding TF will be thrown at targets of opportunity...

Traveling behind the TF will be a separate TF of 3 AO and escorts.



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An additional part of this Operation in the IO is to force the Allies to spread and LOSE their fighters.  Rigth now there are a about 100 Figthers at Calcutta, 30-35 Fighters at Columbo (1 Squadron of AVG), and 25-30 Fighters (! Squadron of AVG) at Columbo. 

The Strike at Columbo SHOULD destroy the Fighters there. 

A next day Sweep by either of the CV TF should then deal with Trincomalee.  There will be 100 Betty at Port Blair at that point and they will then do a Port Strike against Trincomalee AFTER the Sweep to hit shipping there.

All this activity--plus the inbound Invasion Force should provoke the moving of some of those Fighters at Calcutta.  Last planned action is a large Land-Based Zero Sweep over Calcutta coupled with an AF attack by the Bettys.

IF this works, Brad's Invasion Force should be in good shape for its landings. 

IF----IF----IF

I am not marrying this plan.  Any different/better ideas?
 
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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

An additional part of this Operation in the IO is to force the Allies to spread and LOSE their fighters.  Rigth now there are a about 100 Figthers at Calcutta, 30-35 Fighters at Columbo (1 Squadron of AVG), and 25-30 Fighters (! Squadron of AVG) at Columbo. 

The Strike at Colombo SHOULD destroy the Fighters there. 

A next day Sweep by either of the CV TF should then deal with Trincomalee.  There will be 100 Betty at Port Blair at that point and they will then do a Port Strike against Trincomalee AFTER the Sweep to hit shipping there.

All this activity--plus the inbound Invasion Force should provoke the moving of some of those Fighters at Calcutta.  Last planned action is a large Land-Based Zero Sweep over Calcutta coupled with an AF attack by the Bettys.

IF this works, Brad's Invasion Force should be in good shape for its landings. 

IF----IF----IF

I am not marrying this plan.  Any different/better ideas?


Hi,
Well, the more I read your plan, the more I feel uneasy about it for several reasons :
Naval war:
- It doesnt seem you have enough naval assets to efficiently (I mean you need/want to crush them brutally, rapidly) deal with the RN (assuming most of their capital ships are there and not in Oz with the Repulse TF) without risking a very damaging attrition war.
- You are gambling everything on the Colombo raid, if it fails (most RN units arent there, CAP wreck havock on your DB/TB, Colombo turned into an AA death trap) then what? Do you go hunting for the RN or do you concentrate all your forces to avoid being ambushed by fast surface forces on a suicide run? As it is you cannot do both, your covering forces are too light without close CV support and any damaged capital ship will considerably weaken your forces as you will also have to detach DDs to escort it back to safety. In fact you are doing a Midway style approach : like the japanese you are gambling on the fact your opponents are exactly where you expect them. What if they arent?

- I would approach Colombo by the West side, its a long way but by doing so you :
=> arrive by an unexpected side,
=> prevent any escape toward Bombay/Karachi
=> can easily intercept any fleeing/reinforcement TF
=> the area east of Ceylan is covered by your naval LBs, if they go that way then all the best

Air/Ground :
- where are you going to land? what are your first objectives? How will you divide your forces once you got ashore?
- follow-up force :
=>more LCUs, a couple of reserve divisions and tank regiment would be welcome as well as some (a lot of) paratroopers
=>Air HQ, more BF to land/airlift asap
=> reserve air units for your CV squadrons as a fight against the Brits CV risk attriting your units a lot, leaving you vulnerable to land based LB/TB, keep these DBs you switched for Kates nearby



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Good Comments! Brad and I have a bunch of emails running right now bouncing ideas back-and-forth...

Anymore would be welcome.



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imo your absolute first main goal should be to establish a base for your naval LBs and ground fighters. Your CV based squadrons are there to support your first strikes against coastal bases and hunt down the RN TFs. The sooner you put your land based squadrons to the front the better. Not to mention you need a base for your paratroopers.

the second thing is a size 3+ port for naval logistic and to speed up the unloading of your followup forces

all of this advocate for an early invasion of Ceylan to establish a forward air/naval base to support your invasion and also shield your flank. Of course the moment you do this they will most likely start withdrawing indians units inland and strengthen strongholds to slow you down so time is of the essence. You must do this in roughly 2-3days at best.
Alternatively you must land sufficiently away from Ceylan to avoid being within fast striking range of RN units, your choice. Will you spend 3days+ neutralizing Ceylan bases with your air and naval assets of will you spend 3days+ invading it with a couple of division?

In any case I would advise landing just 2-3+ division worth in the first wave depending on your first target with BF units just behind, everything else can wait, no need to disorganize more units than necessary. You can hold back the other transport TFs out of LB/recon range, and concentrate your naval assets on the defense of this reduced first wave. You dont have enough to protect everything as well as you would wish so concentrate.

So thats :
1st wave : 2+ assault divisions
close by - follow up : BF
2nd wave : tk rgts, paratroopers
3rd wave : HQs, reserve divisions
later on : logistic, artillery, engineers

just my 2cents[;)] Did I mention I wish you good luck?[:)]
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This is my morning status report to Brad:

That was a decent turn to watch.

The CVs within the Strike Force will join-up tomorrow (3/9), refuel and head out.  Figure two days (3/10-11) to move and will strike Columbo on Day 3 (3/12).  I would get your MASSIVE Invasion Force organized and start it moving for the target on the 11th.  Probably won't be spotted until at least 12th or 13th.  There doesn't appear to be too much recon going on around the bay of Bengal.

Don't understand what they are doing in NZ.  I have a single Regiment whalloping that Brigade and nothing has come out to support it.  I'll keep driving the Cav Brig to destroy it and see what happens.  Have another TF of supply coming in and then should be solid in Gisbome for a while.  Am bringing in a large Naval Guard unit and then nothing more for Gisbome until China reinforcements arrive.

The KB is moving into the shipping lane between Aust and NZ.  Have the strong feeling that it is going to run into the Royal Navy.  Considering all 4 CV are together, that would be a rather pleasant thing...

I moved that remaining fragment of Zero Chutai from Magwe to Rangoon so you can fly it to Taiyo quickly.  Good thought moving that there.  Will add a few more Zeros to your CAP and THAT is a good thing.

Didn't fly a recon over Calcutta this turn but will with the next.  Will probably take a Zero Sweep of that target within the next few days.  Am concerned about Fighter losses there though.  REALLY want to try and break-up those bombers there before they have a chance to take crack at the Invasion Force.

Nice work getting the surrender at Medan.  Another 4,000 POW in the bag.  Will you take out Bankha quickly and, thus, Sumatra is clear of Allied troops?


TCM--Thanks for the thoughts.  Brad can you run though how you plan to assault Viza?
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hm.. I disagree quite strongly : In this game either you manage to destabilise your opponent by a big blow or (specially for the japs) you risk being stuck in a big slow fight... if the Japs go for ceylan they risk having the allies start the full run to Karachi straight away, in which case it will be mighty hard to dislodge them...
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Yeah, I agree with veji1.  Get ashore at Viz, spread out, and you'll be taking plenty of good bases quickly.  You can handle Ceylon later if time permits.  Dispersal has risks, but consolidation has many benefits, at least in this instance.  Get ashore at Viz, as quickly as possible without risking undue disruption, run amock in interior India, and move in force to get behind the Allied troops in Burma/NE India.  Your opponents will be having heart attacks.
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A picture of the current situation in New Zealand:



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ORIGINAL: veji1

hm.. I disagree quite strongly : In this game either you manage to destabilise your opponent by a big blow or (specially for the japs) you risk being stuck in a big slow fight... if the Japs go for ceylan they risk having the allies start the full run to Karachi straight away, in which case it will be mighty hard to dislodge them...

Brad commented just a couple of days ago that Ceylon is being reinforced heavily. There are 8-9 units in Columbo and 4-5 in Trincomalee. We are happy to see that because it will simply become a POW Camp. The troops there (hopefully British) will be way out of position for what we are doing.

Veji/Dan are right on. We need to crush Viza, and MOVE--MOVE--MOVE before they can establish a coherant defense. I'll let Brad comment more on this. He has control of India so we'll see what the soon-to-be Master of India has to say...

Dan--working on your turn as soon as this posts...
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The comments are dead-on; we have to get ashore quickly, then spread out. Getting ashore and capturing one base is everything; once that happens, we are on the offensive. I don't plan to unload all division, but will have them with me; if we get "stuck", we better reinforce quickly, or it will get very ugly fast.

Speed is key for several reasons:

1. Divide and trap British forces before they can come together
2. Stop Chinese from marching into India; keep them in Burma
3. Make as much progress as possible before 5/1/42, the upgrade date for the RAF. Until then, they have to live with alot of Buffalos, Mohawks, Lysanders, and other meat.

I had 2 large Bdes and tanks prepping for Ceylon, on the assumption that they would do what most players do, and evacuate Ceylon except for the static base forces. They appear to be reinforcing though. If we take Southern India and Addu Atoll, Ceylon will become a large POW camp. We will starve it and take it later.

PS, this is what we are doing in the Phillipines. We have one division there now, plus some Nav Gd units, and of course bombers. I don't anticipate attacking on Luzon until late 1942, when we will do so to collect the points for Auto Victory.
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The screenshot shows the planned movement of everyone in the IO.

We have changed the Carrier Striking Force into a strong Flank Guard rather then free-lansing around looking for trouble.

There has been a marked increase in enemy Fighter aircraft and it will be the CVs job to knock them down. A Port strike will hit Trincomalee where a number of lighter ships are based (SS and DD). We hope to flush the Royal Navy out and SINK it. If they try to interfere with the landings then they will deal with the firepower of 4 CV and 2 CVL as well as numerous STF.



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Kiwi Sunset?

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March 12, 1942
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India
The plans that were laid at the very onset of the war begin to fully manifest tomorrow in the Indian Ocean.  Brad has initiated the movement of a truly MASSIVE invasion force.  The various TF will move past Port Blair on March 13th.  Maybe we will get a day or two in before they are spotted...

The flanks of India will get punched tomorrow:

1.  Trincomalee Strike--The six Japanese CV operating in the Indian will solidly thump this base and--hopefully--sink several smaller ships in the Port.  Settings are:  Zero Range-6 CAP 50% with altitudes set from 14-18,000 Ft.  Val Range 5, 10% Search, 12,000 Ft, Naval Attack/AF Attack  Kate Range 6, 9,000 Ft, Naval Attack/Port Attack.

2.  Calcutta Attack--This base will get a double whammy.  A Zero Sweep (from Magwe) of 81 Fighters will hit first and then 90 Zero and 117 Betty (Rangoon) will hit the Air Field.  Goal is to cripple the Fighters flying CAP and smack the bomber force that is based there.

New Zealand
62,140  The South Seas Force easily drives the 3rd NZ Cav Brig back to one hex from Wellington.

Gisbome  A SNLF begins its trek to Hamilton to grab that small town in the center of the North Island.

SE Pacific
Suva  Members of the 56th Inf Div begin loading in their transports for the last scheduled Offensive Operation in the South Pacific.  They will be landing at Pago-Pago.

Savaii  This base 120 miles from Pago Pago was taken about 7 days ago and has already seen the AF expanded to Sz-2.  If needed the Construction Bn and Engineering Regiment present here can and will be used to augment the Pago-Pago attack.

DEI
Bankha  Base surrenders with 3,900 POW

Singkep  Base surrenders a fragment with 20 POW

 

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We have a new division of labor reflecting the current strategic realities.  The world is divided as follows:

Brad--India, Burma, Australia, DEI and Japanese Economy
John--China and the entire Pacific

Pacific Decisions:
1.  We have decided that there will be no more ground reinforcements pulled from DEI/Burma/India for the Pacific.  Any reinforcements will only come from China, Manchuria, and/or Japan. 
2.  We are going to beef up the Japanese LBA in the Pacific by adding several Daitai of Zero and Betty.
3.  As soon as India Operation is solidly underway, CarDiv2 (Hiryu, Soryu, Zuiho, and Shoho) will move east to strengthen Pacific Fleet. 
4.  If they are not needed the Junyo and Hiyo will move east as well in mid-to-late April.


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Clearing the Flanks

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March 13, 1942


The Japanese plan works out quite well for hitting both Calcutta and Trincomalee.

Calcutta
The Zero Sweep hits the airspace over Calcutta right on schedule.  78 Zero from 3 Daitai are arrayed at 14-15-18,000 Ft.  They are met by a large force of 46 British and Dutch Fighters.  Unfortunately for the pilots they are mainly flying Buffalo and Brewsters with just 10 Hurricanes.  The Zeros rapidly dive into the fight and score decisively and often.  At the end of the furball, the Japanese tally 12 Zeros lost (8 Pilots) in exchange for 29 Buffalo/Brewsters and 5 Hurricanes. 

This near perfect Sweep is not a complete success due to porr weather over Rangoon cancelling the planned attack of 80 Zero and 110 Betty.  Too bad but a solid start here.

Trincomalee
The Japanese are not spotted as the CVs arrive 4 Hexes SE of Trincomalee.  There is no shipping within 6 hexes to draw a morning strike so the planned after strike goes in. 

The Strike Force is made up of 61 Zero, 34 Val, and 139 Kates.  They are met by 33 Fighters flying CAP over the repair yards and harbor.  These Fighters are better quality the what was fough over Calcutta because 24 of them wear the distinctive Flying Tiger insignia.  Despite facing the Tigers, the Zeros--once again--prove their mettle in combat.  For a loss of 7 Zero (but only 3 pilots) the defenders lose 14 AVG and 7 Blenheims. 

With the air clear, the Dive Bombers go after the AF while the Kates attack the ships in the repair yard and the ones snuggled up to the pairs.  Minor damage is done to the AF for the cost of 1 Val.  The shipping, on the other, gets crushed.  There are 4 US SS and 2 Dutch SS in repair with another 5-6 ships in the harbor.  The Kates all attack with 800 Kg Bombs and they crush the shipping present.  As they wing their way home, the pilots verify seeing 3 US and 1 Dutch SS sink as well as a Dutch Minelayer.  The other 2 SS are in sinking condition and 3 MSW are also hit.  This result for the cost of 1 Kate.

Score for Day 1 of clearing the Flanks:
Japanese lose 19 Zero (11 pilots),1 Val, and 1 Kate.

The Allies lose 58 Fighters total and a Recon plane.

4 SS and a ML are sunk.

This is the email I just sent Brad with planning for tomorrow:

OK.  I stared at the screen and map for a while before making a major decision.

It follows that the Brits will TRY to pull out their fighting ships from Columbo.  The crazier move will be to remain exactly where they are.  I've decided to plan on BOTH Possibilities. 

1.  The CVs move to SW of Ceylon same set of Naval Attack/Port Attack (Columbo).  I'm taking a calculated risk in lowering CAP on Junyo and Ryujo from 50% down to 30% to add fighter strength to the attack. 

The REAL move is to swing the STF I have with me of 2 CL and 9 DD to a high speed run towards Columbo to--hopefully--catch the Fleet coming out of the Port.  While losing ships is a strong probability, ANY damage inflicted/ops points used will SLOW THEM DOWN for the CVs to then hit them.

2.  If they don't try to escape then we will hit them in the harbor.  Casaulties might be bad but I think we must take the risk to keep the landing as smooth as possible.  Should muster a strike of 65 Z, 30 V, and 120 Kates.  It SHOULD be enough to blast through CAP and do some serious damage.

This is my thinnking in the west.

The attack on Calcutta in the east would have been PERFECT yesterday if the Bombing Strike had flown from Rangoon.  Cannot control bad weather.  Your decision to add all the bombers from Magwe into the attack is excellent.  Calcutta will be hit by two strikes each escorted by 70-80 Zeros and having 110-150 bombers.  The combined attack--if successful--should CRUSH the AF. 

There is the real chance we guarantee the Invasion's success tomorrow by doing both these attacks.  BANZAI!
 

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Don't forget Dacca. I use that as my co-primary AF for bombers along with Calcutta. 
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Good Day Michael.  They had bombers at Dacca and then moved them to Calcutta.  Good idea to check out the base though.  I will NOT be using the magic cursor!

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