When?

[animaluk]

Any update as i am undecided as to what game to buy next

[Gil R.]

The manual is now 99.99% done at our end, but for Matrix to format it and get it printed takes 4-5 weeks on average. So I wouldn't predict a release before the beginning of March.

I hope that helps. I can't be more specific as to an estimated date simply because my estimates of game and patch release dates have frequently proven wrong, usually because of something unforeseeable. Here, I really think we're not going to run into any hold-ups on the way to release, but that's why they call the word "unforeseeable."

[Erik Rutins]

We should have a projected release date (somewhere in Gil's range, between end of February and early March) for you guys by the end of the week, with any luck.

[Gil R.]

animaluk,
See how uncertain these things can be? Erik won't even firmly predict when there will be a projected release date! [:)]

[Hard Sarge]

hehehehehe

I thought about that when I read it

[Romeo13]

Wow.... coming out at the exact same time as Empire Total War?
 
Hate to say it, but for sales purposes you may want to rethink that...

[Gil R.]

ORIGINAL: Romeo13

Wow.... coming out at the exact same time as Empire Total War?

Hate to say it, but for sales purposes you may want to rethink that...

As I've mentioned in another thread, coming out around the same time might turn out to be fortuitous. When multiple games on the same or a similar theme come out around the same time it can boost sales of each, as people who might have overlooked one stray title suddenly notice a small surge in titles on that subject and become interested. Moreover, fans of the 2+ games inevitably start discussing their relative merits, drawing the attention of others. All it takes is a few people in ETW-related forums and threads elsewhere on the internet comparing and contrasting the two games, and suddenly you've got people who might never have heard of COG:EE (or had heard of it but didn't think it would be of interest) coming over here and taking a look. Likewise, some readers of this forum might not have been aware of ETW and will now investigate. So not only do I not think that ETW is a threat, but I welcome its release.

(As a side note, as I've observed before in the FOF forum, I am 100% positive that both WCS and AGEOD benefited from having FOF and AACW come out about four months apart.)

[Romeo13]

I can see the synergy that could affect two titles coming out in sequence... as one could drive sales of the other... especialy as they tire of the first title.
 
But coming out in direct competition with each other?  If I was you I'd attempt to put a "hurry" on your production department.... even a one or two week jump on ETW could drive some initial sales your way, as people like me make the decision as to what games we buy with limited resources.
 
And besides.... that way I get to play it sooner... [:D]

[Gil R.]

There is no way to speed things up -- which is good, since it means that we're already working hard to get this game out there.

By the way, here's some proof of "synergy" already:
http://www.octopusoverlords.com/forum/v ... 12&t=66063
I found this thread earlier this afternoon, during one of my regular visits to that forum. Now, I have no doubt that COG:EE would have been discussed there eventually, but perhaps not as many people would have paid attention as might be paying attention now because of the comparison with ETW. My guess is that other such discussions will occur elsewhere on the web, especially if -- as I have reason to believe will be the case -- COG:EE is superior to ETW in certain areas.

[tgb]

ORIGINAL: Gil R.

There is no way to speed things up -- which is good, since it means that we're already working hard to get this game out there.

By the way, here's some proof of "synergy" already:
http://www.octopusoverlords.com/forum/v ... 12&t=66063
I found this thread earlier this afternoon, during one of my regular visits to that forum. Now, I have no doubt that COG:EE would have been discussed there eventually, but perhaps not as many people would have paid attention as might be paying attention now because of the comparison with ETW. My guess is that other such discussions will occur elsewhere on the web, especially if -- as I have reason to believe will be the case -- COG:EE is superior to ETW in certain areas.

Since I started that thread, do I get a free copy? You know, like a promotional fee? [:D]

[Gil R.]

You certainly get free patches! [:)]

[Mr. Z]

MrZ did most of the new research this time around, so he might have further recommendations, particularly on the social and economic side of things. For OOBs I know he used many of the papers in the Nafziger Collection:
http://home.fuse.net/nafziger/

I will add a couple, sure.

As a general introduction to the flavor of the period, a good books is Frederick Kagan's The End of the Old Order (Kagan is the son of Donald and the brother of Robert, and helped design the "surge" strategy in Iraq fwiw)

http://www.amazon.com/End-Old-Order-Nap ... 0306811375

http://books.google.com/books?id=XZdjTr ... #PPA129,M1


Also good is David Bell's The First Total War:

http://www.amazon.com/End-Old-Order-Nap ... 0306811375


If you want even more specific detail, Nafziger is actually a published author--he wrote one of the definitive histories of the invasion of Russia (out of print, and as you can see from the price it is a highly-valued volume!)

http://www.amazon.com/Napoleons-Invasio ... 560&sr=1-3


Another rather good account of the Russian invasion is Richard Riehn's 1812: Napoleon's Russian Campaign.

http://www.amazon.com/1812-Napoleons-Ca ... 0471543020


This next one is considered a classic, though I have not read it--it is actually a memoir by one of Napoleon's aide-de-camps:

http://www.amazon.com/Defeat-Napoleons- ... 1590172825


For the Spanish campaigns, there is The Spanish Ulcer:

http://www.amazon.com/Spanish-Ulcer-His ... 0306810832


Finally, of course, Tolstoy will give you plenty of flavor:

http://www.amazon.com/War-Peace-Leo-Tol ... 0307266931


As will Stendhal:

http://www.amazon.com/Charterhouse-Parm ... 0679783180


And, in her own way, Austen:

http://www.amazon.com/Persuasion-Pengui ... 0141439688


Do not assume that I have completed reading all of the above novels, however

[Johnus]

ORIGINAL: Gil R.

You certainly get free patches! [:)]

You think this game will need patches ?? I thought it would be perfect on release. We don't need no stinking patches.

[Hard Sarge]

not to be smart, but everything will need some kind of patch, your computer is not the computer I use, so things can be different on one then on another

as a tester, we try to do and check everything, but nothing says, the players are going to do everything the same way we do

there may be simple things we don't see, or there may be complex things that we never tried

and I have to say, Eric is one of the best, at reacting to anything we find that we think is wrong

[Gil R.]

Hard Sarge, I think Johnnie was making a "We don't need no steenkin' badges" reference.

Hey! It turns out that that quote has a Wikipedia page! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stinking_badges

[Mus]

Prefer UHF myself:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKIAn2UlAX4
 
[:'(]
 
Badgers?  Badgers?  We dont need no stinking Badgers!!!

[iamspamus]

OHMIGOD, Yes!

Camera pans to the supply closet and out jumps and Oriental guy sceaming "Supplies!!!".

Or what about little Johnny drinking from the fire hose?

Classic!

ORIGINAL: Mus

Prefer UHF myself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKIAn2UlAX4

[:'(]

Badgers?  Badgers?  We dont need no stinking Badgers!!!

[TheOx]

Still no news on release?

[Kingmaker]

HiHi
 
Anyone know if CoG EE can be pre-ordered?
 
I would hate to miss the release date by a few hours and find all those Goodfolk over the Pond had snaffled all the initial release.[X(]
 
All the Best
Peter

[undercovergeek]

ORIGINAL: TheOx
Still no news on release?

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

We should have a projected release date (somewhere in Gil's range, between end of February and early March) for you guys by the end of the week, with any luck.

this not quite giving you the info you need?