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RE: SE Pac

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Nope, put Shoho with one of the other TF's........her air groups will arrive in the mid 60 experience level. Too low for frontline use IMO.

I would use one of the CVL's you start the war with......much better experience.

I forget, how many Div do you have in Malaya? I would not move on India until Java is secure or just about secure. Just my opinion and all, but I try to have only 2 major moves going at once......never more than that once the enemy is found. Stretch's your support forces, and supplies too thin.

You are going to need a slew of supply for India until you capture some serious stockpiles. Be prepared. I would have 50,000+ ready to land with my invasion, 50,000 enroute and another 100,000 stockpiled and ready to load. India can and will be a major undertaking.

Burma is a side show when you invade India......a holding action to keep the pressure on. Once you land in India, you will see a mass run away syndrom start in Burma. Burma is a death trap.

Yes, pull CV Div 2 back to the Pacific.......You can keep Junyo and Hiyo along with Shoho in the Indian Ocean area/DEI.......That is the grouping I use anyway. I group ships (CV) by class/speed whenever possibly.
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RE: SE Pac

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Thank you Sir! 

Good idea of moving a different CVL to Hiryu/Soryu.  Should be Zuiho then and Shoho can replace her in the Mini-KB.  Am debating on putting a full Daitai of Zero on Shoho anyway and have her as a CAP booster like the Japanese planned after Midway.  We'll see...

There are 4 Inf Div in Malaya.  We now plan to 'fix' the Allies with the Burma Invasion blasting into southern Burma and taking the central bases but stopping below Mandalay.  Want them to move troops INTO the area and not AWAY.  If the plan works OK then we can pick-up the 3 TK REg in Burma to add to the Viza landings.  Figure 4 Inf Div and 5 TK Reg for the initial combat power....

Brad is all over the supply issue and preparation.

Getting ready to post a screenshot from 12/24 that is a riot to see!

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The Invasion of Tavoy!

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A massive force descends from the sky to take Tavoy!



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RE: The Invasion of Tavoy!

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Nope, Bombay has a fort. And it cannot be moved. But a whole slew of Indian bases will be undefended.......not near enough troops to garrison them all........you/they cannot even garrison all the southern coastal bases with enough troops to stop you.
 
The only thing that gives me pause about swapping out any CV/CVL air group is the bug that forces them to re-size. I only swap out CVE air groups, Zero's for CAP, Vals for all purpose, and Kates for anti ship. I try to have 2-3 of each follow my CVE's around the map for fast swaps etc.
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RE: Scratch FOUR Cruisers!

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Phillipines

This theater is very confusing to me; maybe John can post a screenshot. I welcome your comments.

There are 6 Allied units at Baguio, apparently some of their best troops. Shuzan Nav Gd. is in the hex to screen; they could probably push that aside anytime, though they haven't bombarded or otherwise scouted that unit, so they may not know it's only 100AV Gd unit.

Yesterday, 48th Division and support tanks/Art reached Clark in their rear, and took the forts down to 2. Engineers arrive tommorow, at which point we will attack again after a brief rest. 65th Bde guards Lingayen.

The Southern Luzon Force easily took Naga, with those 2 PA divisions fleeing to Manila. We should be able to invest Manila tommorow.

Maybe they know something we don't, or maybe they screwed up the defense. Why would they split their troops like this? Those troops at Bagiuo could break out and threaten the base at Appari, but is a supply-sucking offensive really wise for the Allies? I don't get it.

We are going to bring in 38th Div from Hong Kong for a couple weeks to help take Clark, and eliminate the pockets on Luzon. I will probably bring 4th division from Naga around as well, 1 division is plenty to invest Manila with the forces there, but 2 aren't enough to take it. Very strange.

We have a chance now to really close out the Phillipines, or at least eliminate most of the combat troops outside of Manila in isolated pockets.

Can anyone out there guess why they are aligning troops this way, or do you think it's a mistake?

I belive this is not intentional as well. But if I try to force an explanation, this comes to my mind:

I am currently reduced to diddling against the AI, playing stock due to time constraints and tried to do something different in the Phillipines. Rather than concentrating everything in order to hold as long as possible what is doomed anyway I tried stay mobile with a few units in the north of this region, concentrated more units in the south at Naga in order to put up a more of a fight there and shuffled troops in such a way that I could try to reinvade those bases which have resources. One obviously cannot keep them, but the idea was to reduce the available resources at these sites. In other words, the Allied strategy is directed at negating resources to the Japanese.

In the end, I feel this did not work well, because fatigue of the units I used in the North was increasing quickly, but I used only 2 or three of the Phillipine divisions. Not sure whether this was worth the about 100 resource points that were destroyed in addtition to the ones destroyed in my standard defense.

I have no idea whether this consideration works on the map you are playing on and am far from being an expert or even good at this game. Just wanted to try to open a different perspective to look at things.

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RE: Scratch FOUR Cruisers!

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I'm enjoying the AAR, guys. As I posted in the War Room, I've been trying to learn how to seize oil centers in the DEI without then exposing them to Allied bombers. I guess in Big-B, Amboina isn't threatened by Darwin? In stock, Darwin builds up pretty fast, and it's supplied by rail. They didn't bomb Amboina from Kendari either, it seems. When you took Tarakan, did they try to bomb its oil from Balikpapan? When you take Balikpapan, will they bomb it from Palembang? When you take Palembang, you'll rely primarily on AA and fighters to protect the oil?

As you can see, I'm a bit paranoid about this. Using WITP-Tracker opened my eyes to how fast those oil stocks are draining. :)

Anyway, keep up the good work!
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Breakout from Baguio

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December 25th

This is a quick update on the Phillipines, as we had posted screenshots and sitrep before.

The forces at Baguio pushed aside the Shuzan Nav Gd; forces there consist of 2 PA Divisions, the 1st PS Regt, and 4th Marines. With Baguio free, I believe they will retreat to Clark.

A Division arrives at Manila tommorow, so at least we have them split in two. An attack tommorow should take the forts at Clark down another notch. 38th Division unloads at Lingayen in 3 days, and another division about 3 days after that; should be enough to take out Clark.

Elsewhere, we attack at Koepang and Lautem tommorow. Balikpapan lands tommorow.

Timetable

I think John's timetable is right-on. We are making good time in the SRA. We are diverting some troops to Luzon; they will reduce Clark, we still may not be able to close out Manila, but even if we don't, there will be so little AV there we could bottle them up with a Nav Gd unit or something like that.

We should probably start prepping some troops soon. At some point they will know what's up, and at any rate, it's not like they wouldn't be prepping for an invasion of India.
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RE: Breakout from Baguio

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If you have a unit at Clark, and another at Manila, they are stuck and will never make it to Manila. Zone of control will prevail. As long as you get a unit into Manila first, any retreat from Clark will force them to Bataan. Or back to Baguio. They are toast.
 
At least I have not ever been able to move units when the same scenario occurs in my games.
 
Pound those units from the air as heavy as you can......that way it takes them longer to get to Clark, they arrive disrupted. Then when your new units arrive, they will be forced to retreat.......to Bataan which hopefully is in bad shape supply wise.
 
I would be bombing Manila airfield nonstop to prevent fort construction and to destroy supply. Same for Bataan, all it takes is 1 bomber group for each target to keep damage and prevent fort building.
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RE: Breakout from Baguio

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We have been doing that.  The Betty at Formosa have been hitting the Port at Manila while bombers at Aparri have been hitting troops at Clark and Baguio.

If that Inf Div makes it to Manila tomorrow then we still have a very good chance of doing this far quicker then could reasonably be expected.

 
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RE: Breakout from Baguio

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Thanks, I meant to say Clark not Manila, I realize we have split them in two, if not 3 or 4. But I think they attacked in order to withdraw to Clark.

Our good fortune here is causing us to revise plans, but in a good way.
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RE: Breakout from Baguio

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I would not risk just leaving a naval guard unit.................only remove a frontline combat unit once a low experience unit of basically equal strength arrives to take it's place. You should be able to pull 2 of the 4 divs almost as soon as you bottle them up, but I would be rotating in my low exp units in for some safer training. Either Div's or all those units you should have arriving in the HI that need some training to get up to 70+ exp. That is what I classify as combat ready, 80's are Vets, 90+ are Elite.
 
Only 70+ units are even considered for garrison units of bases I deem worth defending. As in I will fight for it. Not mere speed bumps to prevent the cheap capture with para's and subs. Most DEI base get 70+ units, the more important the base, the bigger and better the garrison.
 
 
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SE Pac

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Interesting thought off of 2nd ACR. How about we rotate in those small China Brigades for 'training' here? If we don't get the base quickly then use it for our own Jungle Warfare Training Center??!! Evil...

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RE: SE Pac

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I release the small Mixed Regiments from China for use as good garrisons. I think they are the 1st and 2nd Mixed Reg. One starts near Pescadores but in China and the other I think is near Shanghai but inland. They max out at about 150AV.
 
I use them to garrison level 4 air bases that are not directly on the front line. Important, but not important enough to have 300AV dedicated to it right away.
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RE: SE Pac

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You have taken the idea I began with in Forlorn Hopes.  There are actually TEN of those Brigades spread through China.  They cost about 1,000 Political Points each and start at about 50% strength.  This is why they are so cheap.  We already have 2-3 in Shanghai with the others moving there once Yenen and SE China is dealt with.

Nearly all of our PP are being spent on Engineering Regiments, Heavy Artillery Regiments, and TK Regiments in Manchuria for India.  Going to need some Base Forces as well...
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RE: SE Pac

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You get a ton of base forces. I would leave the ones that start in China/Manchuria alone. I do pull out all Engineers, Aviation regiment, and even the AA units.
 
NO, the one I am talking about are identical to the 4th Mixed which starts near Saigon. They max out at 150AV roughly, not the Ind Brigades/Regiments that reach 300 when full strength but start at 150AV or so. I pull those too, but later down the road. I think the 1st Mixed is in Amoy (?) near Pescadores, 1-2 bases southeast of Canton.
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RE: SE Pac

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These Rgts are in the two bases/ports just north of Pescadores and the very very good thing about them is that they have a lot of support squad, more than enough for them and a couple of divisions/brigades.  I usually send one to the PI and one to Java. For garrison purpose you can replace them by two SNLF Guard (around 105/130AV needed to garrison each base). Its definitely a good exchange.

You can also take the Kwantung 71st Division, and in China two Ind. brigades that start with 45exp (one in Ningpo, the other in central China) as well as a Naval Guard that starts understrengh. PP wise these units as well as these two rgts are your best choices at start.
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RE: Japan X-Mas Presents

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There isn't very much in Japan to help the attack:
Fukuoka   1st Reserve Tank Reg
Osaka      6th Reserve Tank Reg
Sasebo    1st Mortar Reg

and one engineer regiment on the coast between Osaka and Tokyo, though its 35xp but you can use it for Java or PI.
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RE: Japan X-Mas Presents

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These are all good thoughts. We will look at all the PP options. All things being equal though, I would prefer to pull from Manchuria; troops in China can still fight Chinese, troops in Manchuria above 8000AV don't do anything.

I realize the Nav Gds are brittle; without any artillery, they have alot less staying power than a Bde or Regt, even though their AV appears almost as high. I am a big fan of rotating units to build experience, or improving morale. The reason Shuzan Nav Gd is on Luzon is to build experience; by the time we are done, it will be an 80+ experience unit, not 45.

The troops at Manila though appear to be only 2 PA divisions, and lots of HQ/Engineers. We will get an exact inventory as we reduce the other pockets.
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RE: Japan X-Mas Presents

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Brad--How many Inf Div will we have in Luzon once 38th ID arrives?  Do you think it might be enough to end the fighting in Luzon fairly quickly?

I am really hoping that our opponents THINK our main attack is heading southward towards PM, Noumea, and Eastern Australia.  W have at least 10 Manchurian units prepping for Cairns and Townsville and CarDiv5 just flew a recon mission over each town.
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RE: Japan X-Mas Presents

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These are all good thoughts. We will look at all the PP options. All things being equal though, I would prefer to pull from Manchuria; troops in China can still fight Chinese, troops in Manchuria above 8000AV don't do anything.

I realize the Nav Gds are brittle; without any artillery, they have alot less staying power than a Bde or Regt, even though their AV appears almost as high. I am a big fan of rotating units to build experience, or improving morale. The reason Shuzan Nav Gd is on Luzon is to build experience; by the time we are done, it will be an 80+ experience unit, not 45.

As for myself I use the Nav Gds for two main purposes after the initial landings in the SRA :
1) as a first line of defence in the Marshalls/Gilberts Is as well as the Solomons and Aleutians (Atu/Kiska)
2) as cheap garrison for several ports on the coasts of China, thus freeing some nice Rgts and Brigades to help finish the PI and then strengthen the defense of key bases (Rabaul, Kwajalein, Java)
You can keep those precious few with high exp as a 'fast reaction force' easily airlifted/fast transported

Speaking of Kwajalein, what is the status of your defenses in the 4th fleet area? The US Navy isnt goint to stay iddle while you attack India.
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