Update info

[Hard Sarge]

ahhhh

okay, made some more changes to the engine types and what not

G-14 will use the DB 605AS (so depending on point of view, the G-10 and G-14 will be what most see as G-10/AS, G-14/AS)

the K-4/K-6 will use the DB 605D

(I don't think it is worth trying to make a G-10/G-14 and a G-10/AS/G-14/AS model as for the most part the job for the plane was the same, plus the numbering system started to just use pak/factory numbers for the upgrade to the engine)

one thing that is going to be odd (and I don't think we got time to try to block it out, right now) is the production system report, will show what is setup on delay (so, say, HARD_Sarge Werke is to come online in Jan 45 and be building 5 Bf 109G-16/HS, it will show 5 parts/engines being needed from day one, even though the factory will not be building or even be on the map for a long time, down the road, I will see if we can add a block to showing any of the factories with a delay for the reports)

[Denniss]

I see several problems here.
There never was a G-10/AS although the DB605DB of the G-10 could be replaced by a late-war DB 605ASB (improved 605AS with more or less the same power as DB605DB used by G-10)

The successor of the G-6 was the G-14, the G-14 is basically a late-production G-6 with MW-50. The successor of the G-5/AS should be a G-14/AS or the G-10 (better stick to one of these two although both were built in large numbers (~1500 each but don't nail me on this)). Then there's the K-4.

It's really not easy to determine the proper upgrade paths with these many variants.

[Hard Sarge]

ORIGINAL: Denniss

I see several problems here.
There never was a G-10/AS although the DB605DB of the G-10 could be replaced by a late-war DB 605ASB (improved 605AS with more or less the same power as DB605DB used by G-10)

Roger, I have it using the same/close to same engine as the AS model (that why I didn't want to add in a G-10/AS model

The successor of the G-6 was the G-14, the G-14 is basically a late-production G-6 with MW-50. The successor of the G-5/AS should be a G-14/AS or the G-10 (better stick to one of these two although both were built in large numbers (~1500 each but don't nail me on this)). Then there's the K-4.

Roger, the G-5/AS will upgrade to the G-14, what is odd is the G-14 came before the G-10 did

It's really not easy to determine the proper upgrade paths with these many variants.

even worse, trying to lock down who flew what and when, one pilot saying late in the war, there were alot of planes around, so if a plane was damaged, it was easier to just go to the park and pick up a new one, then to repair the old one, Pilot says there were 100s of of them just sitting around and as the QMs didn't care any more, would say, take what you want, G-10, G-14, K-4, what ever the pilot felt like flying back to base

[Denniss]

I'm a little confused: The high alt G-5/AS should upgrade to a medium alt G-14 ? Or is your G-14 the G-14/AS?

BTW the G-10 was already assigned for a G-series airframe with the new DB605D engine. Somewhat later there was a suggestion to give the G-6/W or G-6/MW (internally used by Mtt for G-6 with MW-50) a new model number instead of confusing it with the older non-MW G-6. As the G-12 was already assigned to the dual-seat trainer and an even number had to be chosen for non-pressurized variants the G-14 was assigned. The G-10 was very late on shedule because of problems with the new engine so the G-14 appeared some (two?) months earlier than the G-10.

And if someone asks: The G-10 was not made of old overhauled/repaired G-series airframes but was an new-built aircraft. That's a common myth because the initial production run used airframes originally assigned to G-6/G-14 production but diverted to the G-10.

[Hard Sarge]

the G-14 would be more the AS model, as it uses those stats and engine

roger on the G-10

[Hard Sarge]

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

Well, lets see how we doing pilot wise

| Nationality | Count |
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| American | 2327 | 2699 2798 -3123 (6097) 6435 6941
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| Australian | 36 | 52 116 -116 (190) 220 259
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| British | 708 | 949 943 -1002 (1454) 1670 2231
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| Canadian | 139 | 188 187 -187 (354) 814 898
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| Co Axis | 94 | 127 127 -127 (148) 148 148
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| Czech | 70 | 70 70 -70 (87) 93 94
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| Dutch | 51 | 51 52 -52 (54) 55 57
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| French | 306 | 343 389 -389 (424) 425 427
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| German | 1120 | 1367 1546 -1672 (2689) 3015 3137
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| Hungarian | 104 | 105 105 -105 (108) 107 107
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| Italian | 111 | 121 170 -164 (172) 172 182
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| New Zealand | 46 | 60 59 -59 (80) 91 113
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| Norwegian | 20 | 79 79 -79 (91) 91 92
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| Polish | 249 | 252 246 -246 (292) 297 311
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| Rumanian | 81 | 81 80 -80 (79) 102 102
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| So.African | 20 | 32 32 -32 (35) 36 39
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| USSR | 1 | 1 1 -1 (1 poor guy, must be lonely)
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Brazilian (60) 60 60

Well we getting there

7500 +
15000 +

as you can see, there still areas I am weak on, anybody got any better info on the SAAF ? for some of the other Allies, remember, that game sees the nationality based on the Unit it is in, so a Pole in a GB Squadron is seen as a GB pilot

[Hard Sarge]

it don't show up as new if I just edit it

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

Well, lets see how we doing pilot wise

| Nationality | Count |
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| American | 2327 | 2699 2798 -3123 (6097) 6435 6941
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| Australian | 36 | 52 116 -116 (190) 220 259
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| British | 708 | 949 943 -1002 (1454) 1670 2231
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| Canadian | 139 | 188 187 -187 (354) 814 898
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| Co Axis | 94 | 127 127 -127 (148) 148 148
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| Czech | 70 | 70 70 -70 (87) 93 94
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| Dutch | 51 | 51 52 -52 (54) 55 57
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| French | 306 | 343 389 -389 (424) 425 427
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| German | 1120 | 1367 1546 -1672 (2689) 3015 3137
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| Hungarian | 104 | 105 105 -105 (108) 107 107
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| Italian | 111 | 121 170 -164 (172) 172 182
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| New Zealand | 46 | 60 59 -59 (80) 91 113
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| Norwegian | 20 | 79 79 -79 (91) 91 92
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| Polish | 249 | 252 246 -246 (292) 297 311
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| Rumanian | 81 | 81 80 -80 (79) 102 102
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| So.African | 20 | 32 32 -32 (35) 36 39
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| USSR | 1 | 1 1 -1 (1 poor guy, must be lonely)
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Brazilian (60) 60 60

Well we getting there

7500 +
15000 +

as you can see, there still areas I am weak on, anybody got any better info on the SAAF ? for some of the other Allies, remember, that game sees the nationality based on the Unit it is in, so a Pole in a GB Squadron is seen as a GB pilot

[sauro brusch]

Hi Boss news about BTR ?

[Hard Sarge]

WE working

got some testers in, and they going over and don't care about how I speel

we closing in

it is HARD to talk in General about things

[Once Joey]

Oops, sorry wrong post...

[joey]

I love to hear you are closing in! I am hoping for it by Summer/Winter depending on which hemisphere you live in.

[orey22]

I'm sure this has been covered before, but with the extended release date -- lets say the next few too many months -- are there going to be improved cut scenes, graphics, bombing detail, or is the premise just re-doing what's been done before with new AI -- I'd be interested to know if it's graphically improved -- with eye candy -- just curious -- can't wait for the release!

[langley]

You are not alone in waiting for this games release, I just hope this and WITP AE version do not come out at the same time.  If that happens I will not know which to get stared on first.
 
MJT

[joey]

You know I am worried about the same thing. I have been thinking about it for a while. But then that would be a great thing to have to be concerned about! Bring 'em on!

[Hard Sarge]

ORIGINAL: orey22

I'm sure this has been covered before, but with the extended release date -- lets say the next few too many months -- are there going to be improved cut scenes, graphics, bombing detail, or is the premise just re-doing what's been done before with new AI -- I'd be interested to know if it's graphically improved -- with eye candy -- just curious -- can't wait for the release!

not sure what you are hopeing for, or wishing for, overall, I think it would be best to try and look over the AAR type posts and see the screens and map and what is going on, to get a better idea of what it is going to look like

[sauro brusch]

What is the problem mate, today I play with WIP AE tomorrow with BTR......[:D]

[sauro brusch]

My problem is ........I want TODAY, yes TODAY, those two games, I'am crazy....

[Hard Sarge]

here is a list of some of the nightfighters


131 Bf 109G-6/U4N      
133 FW 190A-5/U2       
145 Bf 110G-4          
146 Bf 110G-4/M1       
148 Bf 110G-4/R7       
149 Bf 110G-4/R8       
152 CV F.5             
153 Do 217J-2          
154 Do 217N-2          
158 He 219A-0/R2       
159 He 219A-2/R1       
160 He 219A-5/R4       
164 Ju 88C-6           
166 Ju 88G             
168 Ju 388             
169 Me 262B            
170 Re.2001CN          
173 Ta 154                  
202 Beaufighter VIF    
203 Mosquito N.F.II    
204 Mosquito N.F.XII   
205 Mosquito N.F.XIII  
206 Mosquito N.F.XIX   
207 Mosquito N.F.30    
209 P-61A Black Widow  

[GShock]

Is there any ETA yet?

[daft]

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

here is a list of some of the nightfighters


131 Bf 109G-6/U4N
133 FW 190A-5/U2
145 Bf 110G-4
146 Bf 110G-4/M1
148 Bf 110G-4/R7
149 Bf 110G-4/R8
152 CV F.5
153 Do 217J-2
154 Do 217N-2
158 He 219A-0/R2
159 He 219A-2/R1
160 He 219A-5/R4
164 Ju 88C-6
166 Ju 88G
168 Ju 388
169 Me 262B
170 Re.2001CN
173 Ta 154
202 Beaufighter VIF
203 Mosquito N.F.II
204 Mosquito N.F.XII
205 Mosquito N.F.XIII
206 Mosquito N.F.XIX
207 Mosquito N.F.30
209 P-61A Black Widow

Thanks Sarge, I'm really looking forward to this now.