Civil War
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RE: Civil War
From what I have heard this is already on Frank Hunter's "to do" list. We just might see it by 2011.ORIGINAL: Skyros
Okay the 150 anniversery is coming up in 2011 - Whats in the pipe line.
How about reviving Frank Hunters The Road from Sumter to Appomattox Civil War Game. It would be awesome upgraded and improved!
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RE: Civil War
Gitcherself a copy of Victory's old "Civil War" cardboard-and-paper game. Punch 'em out and set 'em up, it's never been done better.
This game continues to be played more often than any other by the members of the wargame club I belong to (and we all have WitP). We have worn out three copies over the years and recently bought an unpunched copy on eBay so that we can (please don't tell the copyright cops) - ummm - "reproduce" the components on our own stock and retain the unpunched game against a time that no more will be available.
An example of this game's greatness is how well the far west theater is presented. I know of no other game, computer or otherwise, that models the activities of the limited federal and Confederate forces there and the involvement of the various Indian tribes - even Stand Watie is included!
You can almost hear Eli Wallach yelling, "Hurrah for the Confederacy" in the mistaken belief that the cavalry unit approaching his and Clint's wagon is Southern, but turns out to be a Union unit whose blue uniforms are covered with grey dust from long, hard riding through the desert.
This game continues to be played more often than any other by the members of the wargame club I belong to (and we all have WitP). We have worn out three copies over the years and recently bought an unpunched copy on eBay so that we can (please don't tell the copyright cops) - ummm - "reproduce" the components on our own stock and retain the unpunched game against a time that no more will be available.
An example of this game's greatness is how well the far west theater is presented. I know of no other game, computer or otherwise, that models the activities of the limited federal and Confederate forces there and the involvement of the various Indian tribes - even Stand Watie is included!
You can almost hear Eli Wallach yelling, "Hurrah for the Confederacy" in the mistaken belief that the cavalry unit approaching his and Clint's wagon is Southern, but turns out to be a Union unit whose blue uniforms are covered with grey dust from long, hard riding through the desert.
Put my faith in the people
And the people let me down.
So, I turned the other way,
And I carry on anyhow.
And the people let me down.
So, I turned the other way,
And I carry on anyhow.
RE: Civil War
I thought I remembered someone saying there were something like 3 ACW games in the pipeline at Matrix roughly a week ago - with the only announced one beging on the GGWaW engine.
RE: Civil War
ORIGINAL: pasternakski
Gitcherself a copy of Victory's old "Civil War" cardboard-and-paper game. Punch 'em out and set 'em up, it's never been done better.
I quite agree. I have always said that Victory Game's "The Civil War" is the most eloquent and beautifully designed wargame ever. The theater allocation and game turn termination process is nothing short of genius. I bought this game when it first came out and played the hell out of it. It is one of the few wargames (maybe the only one) that I would play all day and night and then into the next day untill the game was over. It's like a good novel that you just can't put down till you're finished. It's not only the best "Civil War game" ever made but possibly the best "wargame" ever made.
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RE: Civil War
I've got that game, it is very good. I just do not have any one to play against.
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ORIGINAL: pasternakski
Gitcherself a copy of Victory's old "Civil War" cardboard-and-paper game. Punch 'em out and set 'em up, it's never been done better.
This game continues to be played more often than any other by the members of the wargame club I belong to (and we all have WitP). We have worn out three copies over the years and recently bought an unpunched copy on eBay so that we can (please don't tell the copyright cops) - ummm - "reproduce" the components on our own stock and retain the unpunched game against a time that no more will be available.
An example of this game's greatness is how well the far west theater is presented. I know of no other game, computer or otherwise, that models the activities of the limited federal and Confederate forces there and the involvement of the various Indian tribes - even Stand Watie is included!
You can almost hear Eli Wallach yelling, "Hurrah for the Confederacy" in the mistaken belief that the cavalry unit approaching his and Clint's wagon is Southern, but turns out to be a Union unit whose blue uniforms are covered with grey dust from long, hard riding through the desert.
RE: Civil War
Gary Grisby is using his World at War engine to produce an American Civil War game.
According to his diary it wil come before his new War in Russia game.
According to his diary it wil come before his new War in Russia game.
RE: Civil War
Gitcherself a copy of Victory's old "Civil War" cardboard-and-paper game. Punch 'em out and set 'em up, it's never been done better.
I agree. Its the best Strategic Civil War Game I have played. I play both face to face and on VASSAL. Getting ready to start a new game next week.
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RE: Civil War
ORIGINAL: AlvinS
Gitcherself a copy of Victory's old "Civil War" cardboard-and-paper game. Punch 'em out and set 'em up, it's never been done better.
I agree. Its the best Strategic Civil War Game I have played. I play both face to face and on VASSAL. Getting ready to start a new game next week.
From all the praise given to this game! I wish this game was one of those being planned for release to computer

RE: Civil War
There was a computer DOS version of this game released by Avalon Hill but it was a total disaster. Horrible graphics, an extremely sluggish interface, and worse, it totally lost the appeal of the boardgame. Also adding to it's distaste, you could only play against the computer as the Union. Even allowing for the early state of computer programing it was an abomination.ORIGINAL: Zap
From all the praise given to this game! I wish this game was one of those being planned for release to computer![]()
There is a good Vassal version available for download on the Vassal site if you want to get a look at it. You will of course have to install the Vassal main program to run it. Both are free and well worth the effort.
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RE: Civil War
Ahem... you might want to check this out.
- pasternakski
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RE: Civil War
I hate to say it, but this looks pretty lousy by comparison to the VG title. Sounds like sort of a Sid Meier thingy to me...
Put my faith in the people
And the people let me down.
So, I turned the other way,
And I carry on anyhow.
And the people let me down.
So, I turned the other way,
And I carry on anyhow.
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RE: Civil War
Here's a quick look at a part of the map for our Civil War game. We hope to be done with it around the beginning/middle of next year.


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RE: Civil War
ORIGINAL: pasternakski
I hate to say it, but this looks pretty lousy by comparison to the VG title. Sounds like sort of a Sid Meier thingy to me...
Er have you not played Crown of Glory? Great game and not like that at all...Im really looking forward to this one!

RE: Civil War
ORIGINAL: Joel Billings
Here's a quick look at a part of the map for our Civil War game. We hope to be done with it around the beginning/middle of next year.
Looks great! Looks like Ill be buying two upcoming Matrix Civil War games! Cant wait! [:D]

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RE: Civil War
Yep, there are several Civil War games in the works. Here's the rough sequence of release:
1. Forge Of Freedom from Western Civilization Software (Grand Strategy, based on a massively updated Crown of Glory engine) - Great game based on the beta, should release this Summer
2. Battleground Civil War (an updated compilation of all the TalonSoft ACW titles in one package) - Should release this Summer
2. Gary Grigsby's American Civil War from 2by3 Games (Grand Strategy, based on a massively updated GGWAW engine) - Excellent game based on the alpha, should release Q1 2007
3. Frank Hunter's ACW - This is farther off, but will be Frank's take on ACW grand strategy
I think ACW gamers will have a lot to enjoy here and from what I've seen FoF and GGACW will complement each other as each has a different approach to grand strategy. I'm sure some will prefer one or the other, but you really need to try both.
Regards,
- Erik
1. Forge Of Freedom from Western Civilization Software (Grand Strategy, based on a massively updated Crown of Glory engine) - Great game based on the beta, should release this Summer
2. Battleground Civil War (an updated compilation of all the TalonSoft ACW titles in one package) - Should release this Summer
2. Gary Grigsby's American Civil War from 2by3 Games (Grand Strategy, based on a massively updated GGWAW engine) - Excellent game based on the alpha, should release Q1 2007
3. Frank Hunter's ACW - This is farther off, but will be Frank's take on ACW grand strategy
I think ACW gamers will have a lot to enjoy here and from what I've seen FoF and GGACW will complement each other as each has a different approach to grand strategy. I'm sure some will prefer one or the other, but you really need to try both.
Regards,
- Erik
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RE: Civil War
I play SP, CM, PC. I used to play SMG and CWG2. Anything coming from MG on these scales?
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RE: Civil War
THanks for the info Erik. I cant wait, now how will I fit these in with my WITP games. HMMM.
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RE: Civil War
I don't know how I missed this thread over the past week, but somehow I did. Four Civil War games in the pipeline? Awesome! I'll be buying them all with the possible exception of the Battleground pack, since I have all of the original games. Will this update have a map editor or will it restrict users to the original maps, oobs, etc?
RE: Civil War
[2. Gary Grigsby's American Civil War from 2by3 Games (Grand Strategy, based on a massively updated GGWAW engine) - Excellent game based on the alpha, should release Q1 2007]
Awww man another flippin year??? Gawd you guys take forever to make a game.
Awww man another flippin year??? Gawd you guys take forever to make a game.

WE/I WANT 1:1 or something even 1:2 death animations in the KOIOS PANZER COMMAND SERIES don't forget Erik!
and Floating Paratroopers We grew up with Minor, Marginal and Decisive victories why rock the boat with Marginal, Decisive and Legendary?
