For Liberty and Quadruple Turrets, a Rule the Waves 3 French AAR

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For Liberty and Quadruple Turrets, a Rule the Waves 3 French AAR

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In this series, I am going to be playing the most recent version of the Rule the Waves 3 Release Candidate, starting with the Marine Nationale in 1920 and running to the missile age. To cover this timespan, I’ll be doing occasional, in depth explanations of both my situation in the game and the new mechanics that I’m experiencing, rather than a detailed turn by turn. For this first post, however, I’m just going to cover the start of the game, and go up to the first few designs of new ships. This will be the vanilla game, showcasing Rule the Waves 3 “as is”, although small changes may be made before release.

Campaign Settings
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The State of the French Navy, and primary opponents:
It is January 1920, and the world is reeling from the first world war. We must reassess our allies and enemies, and prepare our large, but fairly old and obsolete fleet for future combat.

The Sizes of Global Fleets
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As the fourth largest navy on earth, we are well outmatched by the giant fleets of the Royal and US Navies, and will thus seek their alliance for future wars, but cannot count on any support. Our primary expected opponent is the Regia Marina of Italy, which aims to contest our dominance over the Eastern Mediterranean. The MN’s fleet is centered around some 23 heavy surface units, including 14 modern battleships and battlecruisers. The powerful Liberte, with her 3 quadruple 13.5” turrets, is the flagship of our Mediterranean battle force, while the Gloire, a French built, improved version of the now canceled Russian Borodino class, leads the battlecruiser force.

Large warships of the MN
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Minor note: Since we’re playing as the French, you may notice all of the accent marks are gone (ie é). The game engine was struggling with them, but it appears they can be modded back in if you so wish.

Modern Surface Units of the RM
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The Italians possess a larger battlecruiser force than us, but their main battle line is still made up of a majority of older, pre-dreadnought battleships, which we expect them to phase out of service in fairly short order. The Francesco Morosini and Conte Di Cavour, pictured above, are the only super dreadnoughts they possess, versus our seven Charlemagne, Vernigaud, and Liberte class warships.

Some of their newer scouting cruisers are better equipped and faster than our own, but they lack numbers here as well, and have removed all of their pre-war armored cruisers from service.
Our powerful armored cruisers, and relatively new, and numerous scout cruisers, grant us dominance over any smaller actions in the Mediterranean

The MN’s cruiser force, which can only be countered by the battlecruisers of Italy.
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Our latest wartime opponent, now ground to dust, is the German Navy. It is a small, obsolete force that nevertheless has the potential to rebuild. We will leave a small force, led by pre-dreadnoughts, based in Northern France to counter them

Surface units of the Reichsmarine
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A quick survey of the other navies of the world.

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The Imperial Japanese Navy relies on its heavily armed fleet of dreadnoughts. They only have 4 true battlecruisers, including their most powerful Izumo, pictured above. By maintaining a powerful fast fighting force of battlecruisers, we can outcompete the Japanese in scouting actions, leading to victory over their nominally more powerful battle force.

The Royal Navy possesses some 11, 8x15” armed, super-dreadnoughts like London pictured above, the most formidable fighting force in the world. They also possess the most powerful battlecruiser force in the world, including 8, 13” armed ships that can challenge any other battlecruiser afloat, with two new generation battlecruisers under construction. We have no desire to fight them, but if tensions turn for the worse we might be forced to turn to a “Jeune École” type strategy

The Spanish navy's modern fleet consists of two modified Dreadnought-like battleships of the Terrible class, and two much more powerful battlecruisers of the Vicayza class, pictured above. While they represent a lower threat to the MN, we must monitor their developments, as 4 more capital ships on the side of Italy, or as allies, could make a significant difference in an even match.

The Soviet Navy consists of 5 older battleships, although 3 larger dreadnoughts, started during WWI, are still under construction, and it remains to be seen when they will be completed.
Most interesting is their two Maxim Gorky first class cruisers, with heavy armor and a small number of heavy guns, they will be easy prey for battlecruisers, but can counter most smaller warships, forcing us to deploy heavy fleet units if we come into conflict against the Soviets.

The US Navy, as the upstart, second most powerful navy on Earth, is rapidly expanding, and their newest “Standard type” All or Nothing dreadnoughts provide a powerful battle force. Two of our dreadnoughts are also built to this design, so it will be easy to train our other crews to face them, if necessary.

The Chinese navy is centered around two fairly weak pre-dreadnought battleships, and will not be able to counter any of our forces for the foreseeable future


Organizing the Navy:

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Using the division editor, I’ve placed all of our surface ships into 6 battle divisions, 6 cruiser divisions, and 9 destroyer divisions. At the moment, I’ve designated 4 destroyer divisions as (DE), to remind me they are for TP only, as smaller 500-600 ton ships with little use on the modern battlefield. Our weakest (16,000 ton) heavy surface units are organized in the 3e and 4e battle divisions. While the 3e division will be our Mediterranean reserve force(in mothball for now), the two dreadnoughts of 4e division will counter the German pre-dreadnoughts in the North Sea.

Our larger and faster armored cruisers are attached to the scouting force, while the slower ones are assigned as heavy scouts for the battle force. Similarly, our newest and fastest cruisers are covering the scouting force, while the slower ones, and two 30 knot destroyer leaders are covering the battle force, as they are designed for less extended combat.

Here, I’d like to point out a really cool feature, you can move any division using this editor menu, and it will also send every attached division to the same region. On the other hand, if you want to move a lead division without sending any attached divisions, one can go to the normal “ships-in-service” screen, select any ship in the division, hit “D”, and then all ships in the division will be selected, allowing you to change their status or move them.

I deployed the majority of the navy to the Mediterranean, while sending out one or two light cruisers from some of their divisions on foreign stations. Two older armored cruisers of 2e CA division will compose our China Squadron based out of Cam Ranh Bay, Vietnam.

Global Commitments of the French Navy, 1920
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New Construction

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At the start of the game, we have 1 battlecruiser, 1 light cruiser, 2 seaplane tenders, and 5 destroyers under construction, all of fairly modern types shown below. Dunkerque will be the most powerful ship in the Med when it’s completed, and I intend to follow up on the AI design with an improved version. Descartes is somewhat of a step back from our other cruiser designs, but carries experimental DP AA guns instead of a 6” armament, making it a possible future proof escort given the rapid advance of naval aviation. Perhaps most useful is the 5 new destroyers, however…
As I ended the first turn, I received an estimate of escort requirements given new submarine, mine, and torpedo threats- 34 new destroyers to defend the fleet, completely invalidating my initial idea of scrapping the older 500 ton DEs.

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I designed the Gabion class torpilleur, pictured above, to fill this need. As the largest, most heavily armed destroyers in our navy, they should be able to counter any contemporary surface and submarine threats. I was only able to lay down 6 within the budget, followed up by a few more as the other ships completed, so it will be a long while before we can adequately escort our large fleet of slow capital ships.

At this point, I made a few minor changes to the doctrine options, starting a new naval academy for 260 a month, switching our navy over to magnetic detonated torpedoes to hopefully get them working reliably before the next war, and switching to a floatplane search priority, as ideally our new ships will provide a powerful aerial scouting force.

I also made some changes to the game preferences, which provides a couple new options for RTW3 I think many will appreciate. Here, I’ve enabled AI control of all friendly forces to allow me to resolve combat without input if I so choose, and turned off friendly fire hits from torpedoes.

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Onwards(Major Events)

September 1920: The governor of the Portuguese colony of Angola declares independence. The French destroyer leader Davout leads a small international force into the harbor of Loanda, forcing his surrender, and establishing a permanent French naval base there.

October 1920: Four Italian Carlo Mirabello class destroyers commission, larger than anything in service on our side, and packing a powerful torpedo battery.
Note the * in the intelligence boxes by the diplomacy screen-intelligence now takes time to build up, and that indicates my investment in new intelligence networks is not yet complete.

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November 1920: As Italian-French tensions flare slightly, the French navy breaks ground on a naval airfield in Tunis, designed to provide scouting support for any French fleet attempting to pass between Tunisia and Sicily, which also will rely on our two newly commissioned 9,000 ton, 16 Seaplane “aircraft carriers”. At this point we have 15 Gabion class destroyers laid down, and as Dunkerque nears completion, I need to decide between new capital ships and meeting our escort requirements with another set of destroyers. Also, in the first post-war alliance, the UK has signed a defense agreement with Spain. If I can ally with one of them, that would basically spell the end for Italian ambitions. As the all-green tension map indicates, the world remains peaceful.

A New Airbase
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Global Tensions
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February 1921-New Battlecruisers
With the completion of our legacy fleet, we now are approaching a temporary surplus of 8,700 per month. We need new battlecruisers to match the numbers of Italy, but our limit of 13” guns and 35,000 tons could very well preclude building the new ships in French yards.
While we are maintaining good relations with the US, UK, and Japan, the Japanese are slightly behind in technology, so I’ve created a design competition between the British, American, and French yards.
All designs were required to make 30 knots, and carry sufficient armor to defeat Italian 13” guns at 15,000 yards.

The French design, Aquitaine, carries 12 13” guns in 3 Quadruple turrets, while the British design, Strasbourg, features 8 16” guns in US-made double turrets, with much heavier turret faceplates. Additionally, the British design has an inch thicker belt and a half inch thicker deck. The downside of course, is cost. Aquitaine can be finished at ~145,000 funds, while Strasbourg will cost ~175,000. Thus, while we can narrowly afford two Aquitaine class under construction at the same time, we can only afford one of the British designs, although that would give us another 3,000 a month to construct other ships(perhaps the missing destroyers). The US design, Marseille, features 2 Quadruple 16” turrets, with the weight savings from the reduction in number of turrets going to a higher speed and slightly thicker belt compared to the British design.

What do you all think? Although a capable ship, Aquitaine will still be stuck with 13” guns. At the same time, I have a certain sense of pride about not having any more French capital ships built in a foreign yard.

Design Alternatives
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Aircraft Carrier Conversion
We’ve also just unlocked large aircraft carrier conversions, which allows me to show off one final feature of Rule the Waves 3 today-Auto Carrier Conversion. This lets you take any hull in the game, and convert it to a carrier, both in terms of capability and in graphics.
Here, I looked at converting one of our best battlecruisers, Gloire, into a 65 aircraft capacity aircraft carrier. Not a bad conversion, all things considered, but I’m not willing to give up a battlecruiser this capable quite yet. A conversion of the smaller Jeanne d’Arc was only able to carry 45 aircraft due to a variety of reasons, including her thicker belt armor, but I may revisit it if any of our opponents acquire aircraft carriers soon.

A proposed conversion for Gloire
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As an alternative, I instead looked at converting one of our two newly completed seaplane tenders to a light carrier, as shown below. Although it will only be able to carry fighters due to its small size, it will be much cheaper, and we will still retain half of our floatplane search capability. This conversion will provide us a temporary CAP for the battle fleet and further our carrier research for when we inevitably build larger ones.

Our first light carrier
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So that’s a wrap for this first AAR post, feel free to ask any questions, we’ll probably be jumping ahead to the 1930s for the next post.
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Re: For Liberty and Quadruple Turrets, a Rule the Waves 3 French AAR

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EXCELLENT STUFF !!

Can't wait to get my teeth into this, the latest iteration, of this wonderful game!

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Re: For Liberty and Quadruple Turrets, a Rule the Waves 3 French AAR

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First, keep 'em coming :)

Second, now let's look at the BCs :)

On first look, I liked the Strasbourg the most, but I'm really not a big fan of casemated secondaries on anything beyond first-gen Dreads.

The Aquitaine's 13" guns would be a deal-breaker for me. If she had 14-inchers, I could go with it, but a 13 inch battery just won't cut it for me - not in 1920.

After looking at the Marseilles a bit longer, I have to say that I came around to liking it the most - even though it _is_ the most expensive one.
It's improved armor, higher speed and good firepower make it an all-around superior ship, IMO.
Of course, she also has casemated secondary guns (ugh)

Hm, would it be possible to switch the secondary battery to turrets, maybe by dropping down to 5" guns and then changing the 3" tertiary battery to 4" to somewhat make up for this?
(would also improve the AAA firepower and _really_ increase AAA once 5" DP guns come around - though that would be pretty "meta")
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Re: For Liberty and Quadruple Turrets, a Rule the Waves 3 French AAR

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RHoenig wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:55 pm First, keep 'em coming :)

Second, now let's look at the BCs :)

On first look, I liked the Strasbourg the most, but I'm really not a big fan of casemated secondaries on anything beyond first-gen Dreads.

The Aquitaine's 13" guns would be a deal-breaker for me. If she had 14-inchers, I could go with it, but a 13 inch battery just won't cut it for me - not in 1920.

After looking at the Marseilles a bit longer, I have to say that I came around to liking it the most - even though it _is_ the most expensive one.
It's improved armor, higher speed and good firepower make it an all-around superior ship, IMO.
Of course, she also has casemated secondary guns (ugh)

Hm, would it be possible to switch the secondary battery to turrets, maybe by dropping down to 5" guns and then changing the 3" tertiary battery to 4" to somewhat make up for this?
(would also improve the AAA firepower and _really_ increase AAA once 5" DP guns come around - though that would be pretty "meta")
Thanks, great suggestions!
Went off the Marseille design, rather than changing down to 5" guns, I was able to reduce armor to 1" for the 16x6" and put them in double turrets. This gave us the weight savings to upgrade the 3" battery to 4" as well, and gave us some more room to work with in future upgrades. The only downside was a reduction in the LAA battery, due to the new secondary turrets taking up some of their space. She's now under design study.
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Edit: And only 2 turns later...well that's quite funny
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Some new foreign ships are commissioning, some larger threats than others
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Re: For Liberty and Quadruple Turrets, a Rule the Waves 3 French AAR

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By the end of August, 1923, tensions in the Mediterranean have flared into open conflict
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Marine Nationale vs Regia Marina, at the outset of war.
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Generally, the Italians have actually outbuilt us over the last three years, but that will not be enough to overcome our advantage in capital ships. An overview of the modern classes of each navy is given below:

The Regia Marina’s newest classes:
The Semi-Battlecruiser Claudio Tiberio
Amerigo Vespucci Class Heavy Cruiser, 5 in yards, 1 in service
Giovanni Bausan Class Light Cruiser, 3 in yards, 1 in trials, 6300 tons, 6x5”, 8 TT
The light carrier Perseo, 10,800 tons, unknown characteristics
Orsini Class Destroyer, 5 in yards, 4 in service
Procellaria class Seaplane carrier, 4 in service+1 modified in service
Andrea Doria class battleship, 36,200 tons, not expected until 1925
Most worrying among these is the 6 newest heavy cruisers, of which our two Admiral Aube, shown below, will not be soon enough or powerful enough to counter entirely.

Newest ships of the warring navies(open in a new tab to see full details)
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The Marine Nationale’s newest classes:
The Battlecruiser Marseille, under construction in the USA
The Battlecruiser Strasbourg, a modified Marseille class under construction in France with new 15” guns
Admiral Aube class heavy cruiser, 2 under construction
Bugeaud class light cruiser, 3 under construction
Ville de Bordeaux class mine warfare ship, 23 in service, 1 under construction
Gabion class destroyer, 15 Flight 1 and 19 Flight 2 in service, 6 Flight 3 under construction. Flight 2 has more reliable engines, Flight 3 adds 100 tons to the design to add a 40mm suite

Battle of Cape Sperone
25 September, Local Time 12:49, Visibility:14,000 Yards
A heavy Italian force of 11 Capital ships, 7 cruisers, and 36 destroyers is engagin a much smaller French force of 6 Capital ships, 2 aircraft carrying auxiliaries, 6 cruisers, and 40 destroyers covering a convoy to Algeria.
The first casualty of the action is the Italian Destroyer Leader Venezia, which is almost broken in half from a torpedo from the (later unlucky) destroyer Etendard, after it overzealously approached the French force.
The Italian forces are broken into two groups, centered around the battleline and a scouting force, but the battleline runs into the convoy first. The four french battlecruisers take on the Italian battleline, focusing on the newest, and fastest, Claudio Tiberio. She doesn’t stand a chance. A shell from Gloire fails to penetrate, but disables her forward superfiring turret. Heavy 16” shells from the French flagship Dunkerque detonate in her engine room and the barbette of A turret. In 21 minutes, no less than 13 heavy shells slam into the fast battleship. Her fate is sealed another 25 minutes later, by two torpedoes from the destroyer Gabion.

The unlucky Italian fast battleship, on her first combat mission
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Watching their flagship ripped apart by the French force, the remaining Italian ships turn and run, both sides exchanging torpedo salvoes that will damage the French battleship Gaulois and her Italian counterpart Francesco Ferrucio. The Italian scouting force, believing a much larger French fleet is in the area, fires a few salvoes at long range and turns to follow their battle force.
The French destroyer Etendard is hit by a single 12” High Explosive shell while pursuing the unlucky Italian dreadnought, and will founder almost 8 hours later. Her sister ship Renaudin will suffer a similar fate, her engine rooms shredded by a 12” shell from the battlecruiser San Giorgio. One Italian destroyer later founders from its battle wounds, and a French mine claims a second on its way home. The French convoy largely escapes the battle, but the submarine Narvalo claims one merchant ship. A great French victory is at hand, as not only have the Italians failed tactically, but they have given the much larger French battle force a chance to mobilize properly. Ideally, we can avoid ever giving the Italians a numerical advantage again.
A note looking at the logs, two of our Gloire class battlecruisers seem to have had their armor punctured by 14” and 12” shells respectively, punching directly through the belt and armored deck. In future engagements, we would be wise to try and hit from further out, until we can bring better armored ships to the frontline, both hits could easily have killed our ships if they had hit in a different spot.

One of the only benefits to still having coal fired battlecruisers
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Battle of Benghazi
30 November, 1923. Driven by Italian inaction, 5 light cruisers and 13 destroyers of the Marine Nationale are sent on a raid off the coast of Benghazi, Libya, to drive away enemy ships as part of invasion preparations. The destroyer Bouclier(was actually part of the support force, out of my control) ambushes and sinks the Italian destroyers Ostro and Freccia. Two Italian merchants and a submarine are also lost, a very successful mission. Returning from the voyage, however, the flagship cruiser Descartes strikes an Italian mine and sinks, Capitaine de Frigate Darlan going down with her.

Battle off Crete

11 December, 1923. A strong French scouting force of 6 battlecruisers and 3 armored cruisers patrols the Mediterranean between Italy and Libya. Admiral Lejeune is in command, aboard the heavy cruiser Montcalm.
Local Time, 11:34 The escorting destroyer Branlebas spots a ship off her bow, at a range of over 21,000 yards. A flurry of signal flags fly across the French fleet, as they move into battle formation. The trailing battlecruisers move to 25 knots, catching up to the armored cruisers leading the formation.
The Italian ship is the battlecruiser Giseuppe Garibaldi, leading a large Italian cruiser force. French float planes from the Seaplane Carrier Ville de Bougie fly overhead, confirming-1 Battlecruiser, 3 Cruisers, 4 destroyers, and 1 transport. The French force moves into 3 columns in full pursuit, as the Italians, spotting the French battlecruisers, turn and run.
As the battle turns into a running long range gunfight, a shell strikes the “transport”, who falls behind, turning out to be the AV Albatros, a much more worthwhile target.
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By 13:52 the chase is called off, as CA Lejeune attempts to save the damaged destroyer Commandant Riviere, torpedoed by a stricken Italian opponent, and avoid further damage from the now scattered and desperate Italian destroyers. Riviere will sink just after dusk. The Italians will lose, besides Albatros, 4 destroyers and a destroyer leader, only slightly lessened by the submarine Atropo damaging the battlecruiser Marseillase. In one of the first instances of naval air combat, an angered Re.63 B Italian floatplane scout attempts to avenge her parent ship, only to be shot down by a French F.60 fighter flying off the light carrier Bourbaki.
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Battle of Nice
Morning of 26 January, 1924. Captain Frigot aboard the cruiser Coetlogon leads a French scouting force into an Italian trap, leading to disaster.
Chasing what appears to be a smaller Italian cruiser force raiding off of Nice, he brings his three light cruisers into a battle line at around 5:54. For the next 20 minutes the cruiser forces exchange blows, but at 6:26 an Italian 6” shell from the scout cruiser Brindisi punches just below the French flagships forward turret, setting off a conflagration in her shell handling room, which eventually spreads to her magazines. As both forward magazines detonate, everyone forward of the bridge is killed instantly, and the ship violently settles by the bow, doomed. Somehow, both CV Frigot and ship commander CF Lartigue survive the explosion, manage to abandon ship, and make it to the French shore.

The first French loss
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Angered, the French forces pursue the Italian force even more aggressively, damaging several Italian ships with their heavy gunfire. But less than 30 minutes later, at 6:54, Brindisi scores her second kill of the day. Pursuing too close to the Italian ships, Coetlogon’s sister Cosmao is struck by an Italian torpedo at the base of her propeller shafts, separating the stern from the ship and sending her to the bottom of the Mediterranean.

Quelque chose ne va pas avec nos navires aujourd'hui
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As the surviving cruiser Alger vengefully overruns and destroys the Italian cruiser Giovanni Bausan and her escorting destroyer Guglielmo Pepe, a second threat appears, 3 Italian battleships, pursuing the French force from behind, chasing them into Italian waters.
The destroyers Pique and Pertusiane fight valiantly, sacrificing themselves to save the remaining french cruiser force, which narrowly escapes between the Italian battle fleet and the rocky coast. Waiting offshore is the final trap, the submarine Fisalia. At 8:36 she fires a spread of 4 torpedoes at the retreating French force, of which one strikes Alger, and another the destroyer Cavalier. Alger, heavily damaged, continues home, but Cavalier loses power and will sink around 2 hours later.

Support force saves the day?
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Just as it appears the pursuing Italian battleships would overrun the Alger and her surviving escorts, 3 French battlecruisers, responding to desperate calls for help, join the fray. Facing off against the 15” armed Italian flagship Francesco Morosini, the older 12” armed French battlecruisers stand little chance in a fair fight, but they are able to hold the line until a rain squall saves the French force, covering the retreat to Toulon. The heavy French losses in this disaster are only slightly made up for by the submarine Morse’s torpedoing of the Italian battleship Dante Alighieri, a temporary reduction in their battle force they can hardly afford. But still, the loss of two Veteran french scout cruisers, half of our newest class, will hurt our ability to compete in future cruiser battles.

A draw? Questionable.
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The Invasion of Libya
21 March 1924, a large French invasion fleet sails from Tunis to Benghazi, aiming to outflank the Italian forces fighting near Tripoli. With 11 battleships, 7 battlecruisers, 6 armored cruisers, and numerous lighter ships, Admiral Randier aboard the battleship Liberte commands the largest combat force since 1918. The light carrier Bourbaki, having successfully escorted the fleet past the Italian airfields on Sicily, trails behind the force, providing fighter cover against Italian ship-based scouts.

At 13:19 local time a report finally makes its way to Randier, 3 Italian Battlecruisers, heading northwest, about 60 miles south of his force. He turns his fleet to intercept, aiming to have his battle force and Admiral Devin’s scouting force meet the Italian ships at the same time. Several more reports come in, leading Randier to believe there are at least 4 Italian capital ships, possibly spread into two forces.
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At 15:00, the cruiser Dupuy de Lome, scouting ahead of the battle fleet, signals contact, earlier than Randier expected. But they also report no less than 6 enemy heavy units, in two divisions. If this is just the Italian scouting force, more battle units trailing behind could mean the French battle force is outnumbered, since Devin’s battlecruisers are still about 30 miles behind him. Randier decides to push his luck, since his ships are better anyways.

Engaging at high speed, the Italian battlecruisers chase Randier’s scouts into his main battleforce, who proceeds to thoroughly beat them in a long range gunnery contest, scoring many hits between 20,000 and 15,000 yards, until the Italians turn to withdraw. In exchange, Dupuy de Lome is hit twice, disabling one of her 7” secondary guns. Covering their retreat, 3 Italian battleships appear over the horizon and engage. Leading them are the two largest capital ships of the Italian fleet, powerful, well armored, and well armed. But here, they are just outnumbered, underescorted, and now the targets of Randier’s battle force.
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As the battle rages and the battle lines continue southwest, Morosini and the French battleship Massena catch the worst of the hits, and as the smoke starts to accumulate, a peculiar sight appears out of the clouds, 9 new LeO.65 float planes launched from Ville de Bougie, barreling towards the Italian fleet. [While the pilots claimed a hit on the retreating Italian battlecruisers, they had in fact attacked, and missed, the Conte di Cavour, who would survive the battle]
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Around 16:20 local time, the Italian battleships turn and run, Randier noticing a significantly lower volume of fire from the enemy force. At 16:48, the powerful Italian flagship suddenly stops, dead in the water[Post-battle analysis showed that this was in fact a 13” shell from the Randier’s Liberte, punching through the thin 2” deck of Morosini from over 18,600 yards away, disabling both of her engine rooms]. Eventually engaged on 3 sides by the pursuing French battleship divisions, her guns are slowly silenced.

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Just as Devin’s flagship Dunkerque closes on Morosini, her 16” guns finishing what the French battleline started, a huge explosion occurs onboard the old French battleship Henri IV, ripping the ship apart. Post battle analysis would show this was a torpedo hit from the Italian destroyer Giacinto Carini, demonstrating the weakness of pre-WWI torpedo defense systems.

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Meanwhile, Randier, aboard Liberte, pursued the two remaining Italian dreadnoughts as night fell. At essentially point blank range, his battle line comes across Leonardo da Vinci in the darkness and engage. Heavy shells rip apart the old Italian dreadnought, and torpedoes from escorting destroyers seal her fate. With the Italian fleet sufficiently cowed, the French battle force moves towards the landing zones, aiming for a dawn bombardment of any Italian defenses.

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2:28 AM: Something might be wrong. At the trailing invasion force, 60 Miles behind the battle fleet, destroyers are reporting combat. Devin’s scouting force turns back at flank speed. ETA? 2 Hours. Luckily, by 4:48, his force has rendezvoused and is now escorting the transports. Whatever Italian force was engaging had been driven off by the two valiant escorting destroyers, Baliste and Fanion

The aging destroyer escort Baliste, who somehow scared off an Italian cruiser force
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As dawn breaks, Randier’s 11 battleships bring about their massive bombardment, engaging the Italian field guns over the landing beaches. The Italian artillery captain’s manage to score a few hits, causing minor damage, but cannot possibly compete, quickly being forced back or wiped out.

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The battle line then proceeds southwest along the coast, engaging the port of Benghazi directly, including its 9” coastal batteries, airfield, and a Turbine-class destroyer that was a bit late on getting out of harbor. Their mission complete, Randier orders a turn for home, while Devin’s battlecruisers cover the now essentially unopposed invasion force, which successfully lands Northeast of Benghazi.

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The invasion of Benghazi, despite the loss of Henri IV, and the damaging via submarine of the battlecruiser Sully, is a definite success. In post-battle analysis, an incredible feat was found-the battleship Carnot, engaging the Leonardo da Vinci, had scored a hit at around 22,200 yards on the enemy vessel, which, given the 12” gun caliber, failed to penetrate the main turret armor, but disabled da Vinci’s forward triple turret, significantly contributing to her fate. Despite the incredible damage the Liberte class battleships did to the enemy, their quadruple turrets were shown to be very unreliable in combat. Just on the flagship Liberte, turrets lost function no less than 17 times over the course of the engagement. Still, she managed to send 810 13” shells, but we need to get these ships refitted as soon as possible.

Note that my transports didn’t reach the beaches quite in time due to turning back when engaged due to the night. Nevertheless, due to the significant victory the game still let them land post battle(setting the invasion as successful)
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Impressive. I will be watching with great interest.
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To the end of the First Franco-Italian War

25 June, 1924, Battle of Marettimo, off Sicily
In a fleet action for control of the Sicilian coast, multiple mine strikes forced an early French withdrawal from the battle, but a near suicidal(AI controlled) Admiral Devin aboard Dunkerque defeated the Italian fleet with only his 8 battlecruisers. French losses were limited to the 2 destroyers lost to mines, the Italians lost the battlecruiser Carlo Alberto and a destroyer in combat, along with 3 more battlecruisers significantly damaged. A second Italian destroyer was hit by an aerial torpedo while in harbor at Trapani, but is later raised and recovered

Liberte fights once again
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Pilade Bronzetti, the first warship sunk by air attack in combat
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25 July, 1924, Battle of Cape Cavallo, off Corsica
Inconclusive, CA Devin’s battlecruiser force aggressively pursues an Italian force, killing the old light cruiser Livorno with a magazine hit. However, two battlecruisers are damaged by torpedo strikes, and an armored cruiser is damaged by shore based aircraft, while the Italian battleships escape.

October, 1924, Italian Surrender. After 13 months of French blockade, and facing increasing unrest at home, the Italian government sues for peace. In addition to Libya, since fallen completely to French forces, the Italians agree to remove their forces from Rhodes and Eritrea, which will become French protectorates.
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As a bonus, the newest class of German battlecruisers, completed soon after the end of the Franco-Italian war. A mostly worthy opponent for our new battlecruisers.
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8 Years On
It is now 1931, and tensions are flaring yet again between Italy and France. Angered over the loss of their fledgling colonial empire, Italian reactionaries push for war to retake their claims. Will it work the second time?

The international situation is slightly different this time around. Spain is now allied with the USA, and French attempts to join that alliance have unfortunately been rebuffed, at the cost of the French naval budget, even so. The Italians are somewhat backed by the resurgent German navy, whose powerful modern fleet, built in the late 1920s by the new Fascist government, poses a now genuine threat to the Northern French coast. With 8 new capital ships, 16 cruisers, and no less than 10 carrier hulls(6 light), we must watch tensions with Germany, and avoid war until we can find allies, or destroy the Italians.

The current International Situation
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The Regia Marina, June 1931
The Italians, switching away from their old, slow battleline, appear better prepared for war. Their battle force consists of 2 old battleships, survivors of the great fleet battles of 1923, 8 old battlecruisers, and 3 new fast battleships. Under construction are two powerful new battlecruisers, with imminent completion expected. Their cruiser force still consists of 6 Vespucci class heavy cruisers, now supplemented by the larger 10" armed Amalfi. Their scout cruisers, devastated in the last war, are made up of 7 older scout cruisers, and two new Quarto class light cruisers, fast, heavily armed, and very lightly armored. Another 3 are under construction. Their fairly new carrier force is made up of the fleet carrier Aquila, and the light carrier Perseo. Combined, they carry 95 aircraft. They now have 61 destroyers, about 25 of modern postwar designs. Rounding out the fleet is a massive force of 75 submarines of various types, a genuine threat to any unprepared navy. But the French have had roughly 7 years to build an ASW force to counter this submarine buildup.

New classes of the Regia Marina
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The Marine Nationale, June 1931
Within a year, a massive French expansion plan will be completed
4 fast battleships, 3 fast battlecruisers, 7 old battlecruisers, and 7 old battleships provide the navy with an unbeatable battleline. The newest battleship Verite, scheduled to be completed one year from now, is the most powerful warship in the world. Topping out at 47,000 tons, 900 more than her expected British counterparts, armed with 8 16" guns and a formidable 15" main belt, she was designed as the newest iteration of the French modern battleship development that began with Charles Martel, the current fleet flagship of Admiral Raybaud, ordered shortly after the conclusion of the last war. These four French fast battleships can outrun, or kill, any battle division of any navy in the world today.

Of the new battlecruisers, Dunkerque and Marseille both saw action in the last war, Dunkerque valiantly defeating her Italian opponents in several actions. Strasbourg, a reduced, French built version of Marseille, completes the fast force.
The famous Admiral Devin retains command of the battlecruiser force, but concerns over his waning ability 8 years on[Note here, ability can increase or decrease over the lifetime of an officer], are causing a push for a change in command. Admiral Fenard, a skilled commander who saw distinguished service as the captain of Desaix in the three major fleet actions of the last war, will end up assuming the command.

The French battle fleet now is made up of a third force, the Division Aeronaval. Currently consisting of 3 carriers servicing 111 aircraft, another fleet carrier and conversion are scheduled to finish soon, bringing the total aircraft fleet to no less than 215 aircraft, significantly outnumbering their Italian opponents.

The French cruiser forces have seen perhaps the greatest improvement over these last years. The 2 modern Bugeaud class, completing just in time to see the end of the last war, are now joined by no less than 7 Linois class of similar designs. The most modern light cruisers are of the Catinat class, which added 2,000 tons to the Linois design and upgraded her 4 double turrets to 4 triple turrets. Catinat and Du Chayla are now in service in the 1st Cruiser division, while 3 improved versions are under construction. On the heavy cruiser side, the two Amiral Aube class have been joined by 4 Amiral Charner class, with 1 more in the yards, providing a powerful counter to the slightly older Italian heavy cruiser force.

The French destroyer force, driven by both the need to escort the growing french fleet, and the massive Italian submarine buildup, has grown to 120 hulls, even considering the decommissioning of older pre-WWI designs. Of the modern units, there are now 46 Gabion class(4x5") of varying specs(6 were lost in the war), 12 AA destroyers of the Renaudin and Arabe class, and 36 powerful Tonkinois class with 8x4" Dual Purpose guns. The light forces of the fleet are rounded out by 46 multi-purpose corvettes and 45 submarines[20 of which I had to build from government pressure].

Organization and Major surface units of the Marine Nationale, June 1931
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The Second Franco-Italian War
In late July, 1931, an Italian spy is caught and executed by the French government. In a series of provocations, this once again escalates to war being declared on July 30, 1931.
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Three weeks later, the newly reformed scouting force under Admiral Renard puts to sea, challenging the Italians off their southern coast.
Action of 21 August 1931, off Taranto. A French force of 6 battlecruisers, 5 light cruisers, and 4 heavy cruisers engages against a fast Italian scout force, centered around two fast battleships. The Italians withdraw under heavy gunfire, but Italian land based torpedo bombers manage to damage the battlecruiser Dunkerque and the light cruiser Troude, forcing a French retreat. The Italian destroyers Pantera and Lince, and the light cruiser Quarto are heavily damaged by gunfire in the delaying action. Pantera would never make it home, and Quarto is torpedoed and sunk by the submarine Bonite, just outside of Taranto harbor. The withdrawal of the Italian force ensured the completion of a French blockade from Tunis to Athens, cutting off Italian trade.

Casualties of the battle
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Opening blows of the submarine war
By the end of the first month of war, no less than 5 Italian submarines were sunk, with only 9 merchants lost on the French side. Given the lack of significant convoying this early in the war, this indicates we have properly prepared to take on their large submarine fleet. Due to their small force and our weak ASW trade protection ships, we only sank 4 Italian submarines in their entire previous war, so this is a huge improvement. With this loss level, the Italians can sustain a sub campaign for a year at most. [RTW3 Note, notice that the VPs for Merchants are now 6 per hull, in RTW3 the VP for merchant kills gradually grows over the game as merchant size rises].
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Action of 24 September, 1931, East of Sardinia. Admiral Morache leads a raiding force of 3 heavy cruisers and 10 destroyers. Intelligence indicates an Italian cruiser force in the area, and Morache pushes ahead to engage. The Italian force ends up consisting of 2 heavy cruisers, 3 light cruisers, and many destroyers, who push back hard. Maneuevers on both sides lead to a mid range gun battle as the ships run to the north. Amiral Charner is hit the worst on the French side, suffering 17 cruiser grade shell hits, although her well armored citadel keeps her alive, until she is disabled by a torpedo from the Italian destroyers. The remaining operational French CAs, Gueydon and Bruix, fight a retreating action against the 5 Italian cruisers for over 90 minutes. At 13:45, 3 hours into the battle, two events suddenly turn the advantage to the French side. Charner manages to repair her engines, and starts limping home at 16 knots, and simultaneously from the south, Admiral Raybauds’s fast battle line arrives, sending 16” shells screaming towards the Italian cruisers. No one could challenge the Italian captains’ bravery, but their foolhardy charge against the now combining French force fares poorly.
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Morache, his flag now on Gueydon, chases down and sinks both Italian heavy cruisers(Amalfi and Castelfidardo), the destroyer Pigafetta, and an Italian submarine, Pietro Micca, who was foolhardy enough to challenge the 8 escorting destroyers. The remaining Italian forces flee to Naples.

The Amiral Charner, her survival a testament to modern French cruiser design, will be out of action for 6 months
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The First Carrier Battle
October 18, 1931, East of Menorca, Spain. Under the command of Admiral Comby, aboard the heavy cruiser Chanzy, the Division Aeronaval has put to sea. With the converted Bourbaki in maintenance, Bearn and Dixmude together are carrying 35 Loire 90B biplane fighters, and 61 MS.91 biplane torpedo bombers. As of yet, no enemy ships have been reported this far west, but in an abundance of precaution, carrier commander Admiral Bourgeois, aboard Bearn, sends scouts out in an 150 degree search pattern eastwards. With 5 French heavy cruisers escorting, the only surface danger to Comby’s force would be the Italian battlecruisers. At 10:48, a Breguet 84 floatplane scout from the cruiser Conde reports an Italian heavy cruiser, 74 miles Northeast and closing. “Only 1?” Comby wonders. He turns his 2 heavy and 4 light cruisers towards the contact, while the carriers, 13 miles behind, turn southeast. An Italian heavy cruiser, although a tempting target, is unlikely to be alone. 7 minutes later, a second sighting report comes in from the same aircraft. “Heavy enemy force, 7 ships, CV, AV, 5 escorts, course northeast”. The sighting report was 82 miles northeast of Comby, well within aircraft striking range. Comby immediately radioed the information back to Bourgeois, who gave the order to prepare a strike. 6 escorting fighters and 45 torpedo bombers readied aboard the two carriers-the remaining fighters would be sent up on CAP. No Italian aircraft had yet been spotted, but at this range, the element of surprise could not be assumed. All ships in both forces move up to 20 knots.
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A half hour later, the strike is ready on deck, but there’s a problem. In the interim, a third scouting report had come in, indicating the Italian carriers moving Southeast, with the wind. Unwilling to split his strike, Bourgeois ordered the French aircraft to the center of both sighting reports, betting the Italians were heading south, but turning into the wind often to launch aircraft.

At 11:50, just over an hour after the first sighting, Italian aircraft strike. Ba.76 Italian dive bombers attack Comby’s forward deployed cruisers, and 2 130 lb bombs pierce Chanzy’s thin deck, one disabling a boiler and limiting her speed to 24 knots. 30 minutes later, their torpedo bombers find the French carrier force.
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Over a dozen scout planes simultaneously appear over Comby’s force, confirming the presence of the Italian seaplane carrier. By now, the number of Italian carrier aircraft indicates Aquila is here, and possibly Perseo as well. At 12:33, the destroyer Dague is struck amidships by an Italian aerial torpedo, and at 12:49, Bambara takes severe engine damage from another 130lb Italian dive bomb. Dague will be abandoned an hour later. Reporting back though, is critical info from the French strike force-Two carriers and escorts, only 50 miles east, with heavy fighter cover. By the time the French strike has returned, there’s no time before dusk. Comby orders the French force to return to Toulon, intelligence will evaluate the results of the action.


Overall, the first carrier battle of the war was an Italian limited success, failing to score a blow to the French carriers. Aquila’s dive bombers had hit two cruisers and two destroyers, while one of her torpedo bombers sunk Dague. Of Dixmude’s 17 strike aircraft, the only ones to actually find the Italian fleet, Italian fighters had scored 3 kills, their AA guns claiming another 2. In return, the MS.91’s had failed to hit any Italian ships. Conde’s scout that had spotted the Italian carriers would also be downed by an Italian fighter.

However, the Italian strike force also suffered. Bearn’s fighter squadrons shot down 3 aircraft, while French 4” AA fire downed another 7, proving the worth of the expensive anti-aircraft refits many French ships had received over the last 8 years. On the way home, the Italian destroyer Aquilone strikes a french mine and sinks, somewhat evening out the battle results. However, a week later Dixmude also strikes a mine, knocking out a third of French carrier air power for the next 6 months.
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Ambush at Dawn
It is now February, 1932. The last few months have been a series of Brutal skirmishes, mostly leading to French victories, but with heavy losses in the light forces of both navies. However, in December the Italian submarine Scebeli was able to torpedo and sink the French battlecruiser Sully. Eager for revenge, Contre-Amiral Chesneau, the commander of the second battlecruiser squadron, has deployed two of her sister ships west of Rhodes, expecting an Italian cruiser force. What arrives Just before dawn on 13 February is a much heavier Italian force, aiming to bombard the airfields at Lindos. Two Italian battle divisions had initially sailed with 8 destroyers in tow, but 5 of the escorts had to drop back, leaving the Italian force with 3 fast battleships, 2 slow battleships, and 3 escorting destroyers. Unluckily for them, they run into the French force just before dawn, the unlucky French destroyer Bisson being spotted only 2,000 yards away, which is soon after blown apart by 14” gunfire from the Italian flagship Dandolo. Verdun, immediately behind Bisson, has her entire forward superstructure and guns ripped away by another salvo. The trailing French force springs into action. Chesneau's 2 battlecruisers, 6 light cruisers, and surviving 8 destroyers move into an ad-hoc formation, firing off torpedoes and shells of all sizes. Dandolo is a well armored and designed ship, probably the best the Italian's have in service, but under 4,000 yards, that matters little. Two minutes after she destroys Bisson, Desaix's first salvo punctures her hull four times. Within 8 minutes she is dead, having suffered 23 12" hits, 3 torpedo hits from French destroyers, and numerous lighter shell hits. Her center turret flashfires after a 12" shell detonates in the barbette, briefly illuminating the battlefield with flames and flying metal.

Skill Issue
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The escorting Nicoloso da Recco has her turn, a torpedo salvo slamming into the French battleline. Kleber is hit just outside of the V turret's 12" magazine, forcing it's flooding, but the ship is still able to maintain 22 knots and continue firing. Du Chayla is less lucky- a hit amidships disables her boilers and power, she will barely make it home. A salvo of French torpedoes, fired at Dandolo, find Da Recco in their path, one from Verdun breaks her in half.

The third ship in the forward Italian, Sardegna, now faces the French force alone. Initially, she fares much better than Dandolo, and struggles southwards under heavy fire. As dawn breaks, she is engaged by Chesneau's battlecruisers on her starboard side, some older French battleships at long range to starboard, and a number of light cruisers peppering her superstructure from behind.

Close range salvoes cripple Sardegna
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As Sardegna is surrounded and overwhelmed by French firepower, the remaining Italian ships hear distress signals, and after a brief investigation, decide that they need to retreat as well.

The death of Sardegna
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This was a very interesting battle, even without the torpedoes from my escorting ships I had the gunnery jump on the Italian fast battleships, but given their much larger size this could have gone much worse. Glad I sunk a couple Italian cruisers these last few months.

Revenge
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This will be the final action of this war-the loss of their two newest capital ships makes the Italian navy decide they've had enough, and support for the war collapses
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The peace deal reached gives only reparations to the French side, leaving many in the MN feeling the government should have allowed them to push the Italians further. 9 Submarines, a corvette, 5 destroyers, and a battlecruiser have been lost, essentially for naught. The Italians, of course, have lost a good bit more. 16 submarines, 14 destroyers, 6 cruisers, and the two fast battleships are no longer threats in the Mediterranean.
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I love the way you detail and explain the battles. It makes them very engaging and a joy to follow. Great AAR

I think luck in battles can have a very important influence on the end result (tell Bismarck and that lucky hit on his rudder, or at Midway, the American dive bombers falling on the Japanese carriers at the very time when they were preparing to launch their own attack and had their flying decks packed up with planes with their tanks full and dozens of bombs and torpedoes).

And it makes this amazing game even more enjoyable not only to see how our skill (or lack of it) can take us to victory or defeat, but also how well it shows how luck can affect the odds and the outcome in a battle.

Here you first run into an enemy fleet far stronger than you could have expected (France may have the bigger fleet, but here you faced 5 enemy battleships against your 2 weaker armoured BCs)
But by chance you’ve found each other at dawn and again by chance, none other than their most dangerous battle unit, Dandolo, with its all forward 14in guns in 3 triple turrets and 13in armour found itself suddenly at close range of your fleet: for a short period of time, just before plain daylight, you were able to close in and throw at her a hell of gun shots and torpedoes. With the very dangerous Dandolo out of the way, you were still the weaker force but your superior speed and great seamanship did the rest.

Another thrilling battle, alternatively playing luck and skill.
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Dasein wrote: Fri May 05, 2023 11:27 am I love the way you detail and explain the battles. It makes them very engaging and a joy to follow. Great AAR

I think luck in battles can have a very important influence on the end result (tell Bismarck and that lucky hit on his rudder, or at Midway, the American dive bombers falling on the Japanese carriers at the very time when they were preparing to launch their own attack and had their flying decks packed up with planes with their tanks full and dozens of bombs and torpedoes).

And it makes this amazing game even more enjoyable not only to see how our skill (or lack of it) can take us to victory or defeat, but also how well it shows how luck can affect the odds and the outcome in a battle.

Here you first run into an enemy fleet far stronger than you could have expected (France may have the bigger fleet, but here you faced 5 enemy battleships against your 2 weaker armoured BCs)
But by chance you’ve found each other at dawn and again by chance, none other than their most dangerous battle unit, Dandolo, with its all forward 14in guns in 3 triple turrets and 13in armour found itself suddenly at close range of your fleet: for a short period of time, just before plain daylight, you were able to close in and throw at her a hell of gun shots and torpedoes. With the very dangerous Dandolo out of the way, you were still the weaker force but your superior speed and great seamanship did the rest.

Another thrilling battle, alternatively playing luck and skill.
Thank you, I'm enjoying writing it.
I certainly got very lucky in that battle- I had two old WWI battlewagons sitting about 40k yards back, but they were too slow to be useful-and if the Italians had more destroyers it could have very quickly gone the other way, given that the one they had scored 2 hits.
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Status of the Fleet, September 1938
Following the second defeat of Italy, the Mediterranean settled into a fairly quiet piece. For the next 6 years, the Marine Nationale was able to focus on building up its forces, as worldwide developments indicated a rapidly changing balance of sea power- the dependence on aerial strikes. Only having 3 carrier hulls operational going into the 1931 war, the Marine Nationale now has no less than 14, organized in 3 fast divisions(8CV, 1 CVL), a light carrier division(3 CVL), and an escort carrier division(2 CVL).

How did we arrive at this huge fleet? Most of these flattops were completed during the South China Sea crisis of 1935-1937, when Japanese forces threatened to cross from Taiwan and drive the French out of Kwang-Chou-Wan, or even Vietnam. The Japanese were emboldened by their powerful new monoplane strike aircraft, sitting on a large fleet of carriers(Some 9 CVs and 9 CVLs at the star of the crisis). Facing off against them, the French and their Spanish allies only had 3 fleet carriers and 7 light carriers. The government, already having one fleet carrier under construction, decided to show the Japanese that they could still outbuild them.

The Fleet Carrier La Fayette, built 1934-1936
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Spain ordered 2 Princesa de Asturias class carriers, which would complete in 1937 and 1938, as the crisis wound down. Still, this roughly doubled the Spanish fleets aerial strike power, drastically adding to their naval status on the world stage.

The primary French response was the building of two Rochambeau class fleet carriers, enlarged versions of La Fayette designed for long range operations and power projection in Southeast Asia

The Fleet Carrier Rochambeau, built 1935-1937
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However, these were insufficient to counter the Japanese force, so the two Gloire class battlecruisers were converted to fairly good carrier designs, two escort carriers were converted from merchant hulls, and another fast light carrier was built.

Marseillaise, a seasoned veteran of the last two wars, converted along with her sister Gloire from 1936 to 1937
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Foudre, and her sister Basque, converted from merchant hulls in 1935-1936
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While this buildup was the primary factor in Japan backing down, there were many other preparations the MN took to fight a modern air war. Most older ships went into to refit at some point during the crisis, coming out covered in AA directors, 20mm and 40mm anti-aircraft weapons, and new 5" HAA guns.
The destroyer forces had switched a surface action focused design during the last war, after seeing the poor performance of the 4" gun versus 5" equipped Italian forces

A typical Espignole class surface action destroyer
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During the crisis, focused switched back to anti-aircraft armament, and a new group of twelve destroyers were built, consisting of two destroyer leaders and 10 fleet destroyers, where each leader would command five destroyers

Marceau class destroyer leader
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Claymore class destroyer
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The rest of the fleet
The Aquitaine class, 2 units built post-war, with three modified versions laid down 1936-1937
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The Pothau and Leon Gambetta classes of heavy cruisers, each 2 ships
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The D'Estrees class light cruiser, 5 ships built 1933-1938
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The Mistral class escort destroyer, 24 ships designed for ASW work
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The Mameluk class destroyer, putting the features of the Marceau class leader on a fleet destroyer hull, 6 ships under construction
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A new crisis
Now, in 1938, the Marine Nationale has found itself facing off with the most powerful navy in the world
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The Royal Navy vastly outnumbers us, especially with the Germans on their side, so I'm building a number of airbases in Northern France and in strategic locations near British bases around the world. My current backup plan is to use the carrier force to force even long range fights in Northern Europe, while our battle force defeats their Mediterranean fleet. Our worldwide possessions will be the fight of brutal cruiser battles with their massive navy. Thus, the primary plan is to spend whatever prestige is necessary to diffuse tensions.
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Don't worry, on land you will win this war!

UK can't land forces in Normandy and the Maginot line will stop the Germans flat and Spain will easily storm Gibraltar. :ugeek:

L'AUDACE, ENCORE DE L'AUDACE, ET TOUJOURS DE L'AUDACE!

( Seriously you show ship porn, but claim next war will be air focused and not a single word on your planes or Aéronaval :twisted: )
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Cold War Hot War
At the end of May, 1939, the tensions between Britain and France flared into war. Having already mobilized their heavy units, the Marine Nationale's Force de Raid was stationed in Brest, ready to break the expected British blockade, which never arrived. Wary of the new technological advancements, the British fleet for two entire months skirmished with the French, the only losses being some destroyers on both sides. On August 4, they finally deployed in force, intent on defeating the French fleet and creating a blockade.
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Bay of Biscay
4 August, 1939
Amiral Morier, commander of the Force de Raid, recognized widely as Brilliant, leads his four fast battleships against an expected British incursion against a French convoy, 320 miles due west of St. Nazaire.

As the ships spot each other and open fire, the British line of 4 heavy units pulls back under heavy fire, the slow Ramillies splitting West, New Zealand spinning out of control after a rudder hit, while the remaining two British battlecruisers push towards the convoy
The French flagship Diderot pursues Ramilles alone as her captain attempts to get around the French battleline and hit the convoy, Morier onboard Verite is followed by the two French battlecruisers to attack the stricken New Zealand.

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Morier's 3 capital ships, with 3 cruisers following, rip New Zealand apart at close range. At 11:02, with power lost, the bridge and officers gone, and turrets disabled, she is abandoned as fires reach down towards the magazines. Temeraire will torpedo her twice 10 minutes later, causing her to capsize and explode.

Luck, today, does not remain on the French side. Diderot, closing on the aging British battleship, suddenly is hit by 12” shells in both turrets. With those losing power due to shock damage, the disarmed French battleship attempts to flee, but is repeatedly stricken, losing rudder control, her wild circling the only saving grace from closing British destroyers. She is hit by no less than 57 12” shells from Ramillies(And one 16” from New Zealand), only surviving due to her formidable armor. She limps away on fire(which will take almost 4 hours to extinguish) as Morier’s battleline continues westwards, driving off and crippling Ramillies. The French cruiser commander, Amiral Robin, closes, pouring in 8 and 9” shells into the old battlewagon, before she is finished off by torpedoes.

The valiant and foolhardy Ramillies, which almost sunk the pride of the French Fleet
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The French screening ships engage the remaining two battlecruisers to the east, scoring two hits that severely damage the battlecruiser Ariadne, but lose two destroyers in the process. The British force limps home, exchanging long range gunfire with the French ships as they drift into the darkness.

Just as dusk falls, a D.130 Naval Patrol Bomber, flying 200 miles away from her home port in Brest, spots the British destroyer Cristopher, and manages to hit her with an aerial torpedo, blowing away her engine rooms and sending her to the bottom.

Overall, it was a bloody fight, with heavy damage on both sides, but the isolation of the two british ships, Ramillies due to her speed, and New Zealand due to her rudder hit, caused both of them to be lost even as the British scored many more hits than the French.
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