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>>> THIS IS THE DAWN OF MANKIND'S SPACE AGE <<<

Long have we fought, exploited, and deceived each other... Long have we destroyed our world in the name of greed.
Now we look to the stars, not to seek refuge, but to show that we have learnt the value of beauty in this universe. It is our chance to embrace a new future, but in the end, as our united nations have decided, it will be up to you!
This trust also comes with a great responsibility, that to preserve our species against the threats that the Big Unknown is likely to send at us...


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CONTENTS:
- DOWNLOADS
- WHAT IS SPACE AGE?
- MILESTONES AND RELEASE PLAN
- WEBSITE AND FORUM
- PRESENTATION
- PRIORITIES AND TECHNICAL CHALLENGES
- ROADMAP AND CHANGELOG
- DISCLAIMERS


DOWNLOADS

See included NFO readme files for installation instructions.

MAIN CUMULATIVE DOWNLOADS
  • SPACE AGE: GALAXY
    Soon.
STANDALONE FEATURES
  • SEPARATE OVERHAULED GOVERNMENTS v.1.0
    Note: I included a Races.xml file modified specifically to make the standalone modded Governments.xml work with the vanilla version of the game. All new government types should be selectable as desired for each faction, and preferred government types for them have been reassigned based on vanilla settings.



WHAT IS SPACE AGE?

Distant Worlds is its own universe. Although fundamentally grounded in science-fiction, Distant Worlds also has—like Star Wars—elements leaning towards the fantasy genre, such as with some of its resources, its research or storytelling, which all partake to make the game unique beyond its mechanics and depth. To an extent, the own lore of Distant Worlds is also deeply embedded in its making.

As a moddable platform, however, Distant Worlds 2 also represents a perfect setting for other types of sci-fi approach and storytelling taking place across stars, because of its scale, immersive complexity, and—with the hope that it will expand much further—the malleability of its contents.

The goal of SPACE AGE is simply to let the power of Distant Worlds 2 tell specifically the early history of mankind’s expansion into space, while the game’s original plot itself takes place millennia later. It is also to tell a sci-fi story to which we can more closely identify, with a darker, more intricate and more realistic background, and with more explicit ties to science or politics. At the top of the list of inspirational backgrounds for SPACE AGE are the Alien franchise, Descent: FreeSpace and The Expanse.

SPACE AGE is therefore intended to be a partial conversion of Distant Worlds 2 set at the start of mankind's definite step into the cosmos. Since the game is focused on telling the star-faring adventure of mankind, only humans are going to be playable in the full, narrated version of SPACE AGE. However, large sections of the game will also be modified to develop the game around that context. SPACE AGE is planned to mainly feature:

- A map of 1000 named stars in the local Orion Spur up to 2000 parsecs around the Solar system (see this thread);
- Overhauled, more science-based astronomical data, including likelihood of spectral type, number of planetary satellites, effect of star habitable zones, etc.
- Overhauled, more realistic set of resources, with limited number of “luxury” resources all unique to celestial body types;
- Revisited tech tree, with a richer sci-fi context, and with more integrated research pathways;
- Revisited component names and characteristics;
- Expanded bonuses and locations of interest for celestial bodies;
- Overhauled and expanded list of governments, now 11 in total;
- Overhauled character pool (names and avatars) for humans, with male and female variants;
- Three new alien species with deep lore replacing vanilla ones;
- Modified and expanded music;
- Entirely new storyline, with ties to known sci-fi franchises, and new game events;
- Introduction of Ace pilots as characters;
- "Fuel" limiting system replaced by "Supplies";
- Jump gates.

For more details about these features, see the PRESENTATION section.

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MILESTONES AND RELEASE PLAN

SPACE AGE is an ambitious project. Its progress is not only limited by the time to create and test it, but by the own modding constraints of Distant Worlds 2 (see the ROADMAP section for more details).

For this reason, I decided to work with milestones and separate pre-releases, each representing larger modifications and progress towards the full and final SPACE AGE. These milestones will be SPACE AGE: GALAXY and SPACE AGE: GALACTIC CIVILIZATIONS. The content of these sub-mods may change according to the evolution of DW2 moddability.

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SPACE AGE: GALAXY

SPACE AGE: GALAXY will be a way to enjoy DW2 and its lore in a refreshed and more scientifically-accurate astronomical context. It is planned to feature:

- The new galaxy settings; [80%, CURRENTLY BUGGED]
- New Milky Way-inspired galactic background; [DONE]
- The new governments; [DONE]
- New music. [50%]

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You can already download the new Milky Way-inspired galactic background HERE. To install, simply unzip into your main DW2 folder (where the executable is). For those who wish, they can modify the file to enable a version without the spiral (for non-spiral galaxy types). Backup included.

Estimated release date: Soon.

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SPACE AGE: GALACTIC CIVILIZATIONS

SPACE AGE: GALACTIC CIVILIZATIONS will represent a more significant change and provide a new technological context, as well as new alien civilizations. In addition to the content of SPACE AGE: GALAXY, It will feature:

- The overhauled resources; [75%, CURRENTLY BUGGED]
- The overhauled research; [25%]
- The modified components; [25%]
- Three new races; [80%, CURRENTLY BUGGED]

Estimated release date: Summer 2022.



WEBSITE AND FORUM

Beside criticism and new ideas, SPACE AGE will require testing, which is why I plan to set up a space on Moddb.com as well as a forum as soon as Distant Worlds 2 is registered there as a game (I already notified Slitherine).

If you are interested by any aspect of the mod and wish to get involved, please drop a line below or contact me directly: amiralace (at) yandex.com.



PRESENTATION (WIP) [SPOILERS!]

Below is a presentation of the main changes to the game brought by SPACE AGE and its pre-releases, as well as the ideas behind them.
  • 1. NEW GALAXY SETTINGS (Orbtypes.xml)
    Since SPAGE AGE is set to take place in the volume of the Milky Way within 2000 parsecs of Sol, changes to the composition of the galaxy intend to make it more science-based and immersive. This means, among other things, that:
    • Most celestial objects get an updated look
    • Stars are classified by spectral type and their relative abundance follows real astronomical observations
    • The possible size of star systems is expanded, and they can now have an Oort-like peripheral belt
    • Planet types occur more within their expected distance to the star, and life-bearing planets only occur within the habitable zone of the corresponding spectral type
    • Number of possible planetary satellites is expanded within the technical limit allowed by the game
    • Asteroid belts orbiting planets are removed
    • Planets with homogeneous biomes (forest, mangrove, swamps...) are replaced with a diversity of other much more likely planets to find
    • Following latest astronomical data, H2O-bearing planets are much more common
    • Each suitable planet now delivers one unique "luxury" resource not find in other celestial types
    • Sceneries, bonuses and ruins are modified and expanded and made more relevant to the celestial body they belong to
    • Asteroid types according to the Tholen classification (C, S, X), plus icy planetesimals on the outskirts of systems
    The new list of celestial objects is:
    • Stars
      G-type
      M-type
      K-type
      D-type
      F-type
      Neutron
      Black hole
      O-type
      A-type
      B-type
    • Planets
      Class Ht (terran)
      Class Hm (microbial)
      Class Hs (surface ocean)
      Class Ps (hydro desert)
      Class Ks (snowball)
      Class Tm (magmatic)
      Class As (siliceous)
      Class Gg (gas giant)
      Class Gi (ice giant)
      Class Hg (gaia or "superterran")
      Class Hb (blighted)
      Class Pr (post-hydro desert)
      Class Pt (hydrobio desert)
      Class Kt (bioarctic)
      Class Kr (frozen crust)
      Class Hd (mantellar ocean)
      Class B (brown dwarf)
      Class Am (metallic)
      Class Ai (icy)
      Class Hx (toxic)
      Class C (protoplanet)
      Class Ts (sulfuric)
    • Asteroids
      S-group asteroid
      Icy planetesimals
      X-group asteroid
      C-group asteroid
  • 2. NEW GOVERNMENTS (Governments.xml)
    SPACE AGE offers 11 tailored government types representing both a broader and more detailed political range.

    The new government list is:

    Bureaucratic Communism
    Socialist Republic
    Technocracy
    Theocratic Monarchy
    Capitalist Republic
    Corportatist Oligarchy
    Benevolent Dictatorship
    Military Dictatorship
    Hive mind
    Way of Darkness
    Way of the Ancients
  • 3. NEW RESOURCES (Resources.xml)

    Resources are central for SPACE AGE to lay out a more immersive, "harder" sci-fi game context. But, of course, it is still science-fiction, so a few of them still lie beyond science (where would be the fun and creativity otherwise, huh?). Beside the 17 strategic resources, there are 18 "luxury" resources. This means that a majority of existing luxury resources have been removed from gameplay, but the ones remaining have been made more meaningful: each luxury resource is now associated with a single planet type, and won't be found anywhere else. This provides more controlled rarity and should create more pressure on some worlds that are among the few to yield a luxury resource.

    Overall rules of abundance for resources are also revisited. In general, planets have more available resources, but in lesser abundance. Asteroid fields (X (metallic) and C (carbonaceous) types as well as outer icy planetesimals) are also designed to be important places to find specific resources, especially early in the game.

    New resource list:
    • Strategic

      GASES
      • Metallic hydrogen
        Metallic hydrogen is a solid and therefore condensed form of hydrogen, present in great quantity on most gas giants. Hydrogen isotopes are used most notably in propulsion and nuclear fusion. (still used as fuel source before SPACE AGE final release)
      • Hydrocarbons
        Hydrocarbons are organic compounds consisting entirely of hydrogen and carbon, found abundantly in frozen form on most ice giants. Hydrocarbons, like fossil fuels or methane, have long been used to provide energy, but can also be used to make a wide range of materials.
      • Arsane
        Arsane is a flammable and highly toxic gas which is one of the simplest compounds of arsenic. Because of this, it is difficult to handle, and therefore its production is costly. However, it is also extremely useful in the fabrication of microelectronics.
      • Sciathide
        Sciathide is a recently-discovered exotic gas that has extremely strong ionization properties and which can be modulated with an electromagnetic field, potentially forming a deflective surface impenetrable by other molecules.
      METALS
      • Titanium
        Titanium has the highest strength-to-density ratio of any metallic element. This is why it has long been used to produce strong, lightweight alloys for civilian and military purposes alike.
      • Tungsten
        Tungsten is a rare metal found naturally on most telluric planets. Tungsten occurs in superalloys and a wealth of other technological components. Tungsten's hardness and high density make it suitable for military applications in penetrating projectiles, and is often used as an industrial catalyst.
      • Palladium
        Palladium is a rare and lustrous silvery-white metal of the platinum-group. It is used extensively in the fabrication of autocatalysts, electronics and chemical reagents. It is also a key component of fuel cells, which react hydrogen with oxygen to produce electricity, heat, and water.
      • Orichalcum
        Long considered to be a fictional metal, a rare natural alloy was recently found occurring in oceanic crusts that may have been the fabled orichalcum of the Atlantis. This metal is characterized by anti-gravitic properties challenging current tenets of physics.
      MINERALS
      • Silicon
        Silicon is one of the most common elements of telluric crusts and certain asteroids, and is critical to some life forms. It has a vast range of uses, from construction to electronics.
      • Clays
        Clay minerals form in the presence of water and are thought to have a catalytic role in the formation of life. They are important constituents of soils, and have long been useful in agriculture and manufacturing.
      • Salts
        Salts are electronically neutral chemical compounds found in planets with a history of sedimentary cycles, and sometimes have organic origins. Some salts, like phosphate, have a wide range of applications, in medicine, agriculture or industry.
      • Amphibolite
        Amphibolite is an aqueous metamorphic rock commonly found on telluric worlds with a tectonic history. It is mixed with other materials to build the toughest of planetary constructions.
      • Shocked quartz
        Shocked quartz is a form of this mineral usually resulting from catastrophic events in the history of the celestial body in which it is found. It has recently been used in the stabilization of ion generators and engines.
      • Liquid vermeerite
        Vermeerite is a very rare mineral whose unique characteristic is to be found naturally in cold, liquid crystalline form. This exceptional thermodynamic property allowed for the theorization and conception of resilient fluid materials.
      CARBON
      • Thiotimoline
        Named after Isaac Asimov's fictional compound, thiotimoline is a carbohydrate molecule found generally in carbonaceous chondrites. Extreme heat and pressure applied to thiotimoline creates instable carbon bonds that lead to a physical effect known as "quantum leak", which distorts space and time.
      • Graphite
        Graphite is a crystalline hexagonal and the most stable form of carbon. Its high conductivity makes it useful in electronic products such as electrodes, batteries, and solar panels. Most importantly, however, graphite can be either decomposed into graphene, one-atom layered lattices used for nanoconstruction, or compressed to form diamonds, which have uses for their hardness in a myriad of civilian and military applications.
      • Protokerogen
        Kerogen is a solid and amorphous form of amalgamated carbon polymers from compressed organic matter, usually abundant on planets with carbon-based life. Protokerogen is a form of kerogen dating back to the early stages of the formation of the universe. This compound has a tremendous importance for fundamental research across all disciplines.
    • "Luxuries"

      Perhaps better left to discover?
  • 4. NEW RACES (Races.xml)

    New factions? Really?
    SPACE AGE will feature three new alien species replacing existing ones: Xenakars will replace Boskarans, Ylrikis the Haakonish, and Zygonens the Mortalens. Respective ships and other assets of the original races will be kept, but the rest of the data will be extensively modified.

    X, Y, Z?!
    Earth xenoanthropologists thought naming these extra-solar intelligent lifeforms with the last letters of the Latin alphabet would emphasize their alien nature. Bring it to them.

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    Xenakar

    Called this way because they disturbingly look like hands (xeno and cheir in Greek meaning "alien" and "hand"), Xenakars originate from the system of Uruk, a F8V main sequence star located 386 light years from Sol, far into the North-East quadrant, between Deneb and the Helix nebula, in a sector called the Winged Council.

    The xenakar homeworld is a telluric planet whose atmosphere is replete with ammonia, chlorine and sulfur dioxide, and therefore considered extremely toxic for humans. Most Xenakars are effectively something like one-meter-long spiders covered with skin: they have four pairs of clawed "fingers", and their few organs are protected inside an exoskeleton, but their entire body is also covered with a stretchable membrane, which is lethally poisonous to humans. They also possess a "tail" that they use mainly to move and hang themselves, but that is also designed to connect to the tail of other Xenakars, as a means to share nutrients and possibly also information. At any one time among a group of Xenakars tasked with a specific mission - like on a ship - a single individual is designated the "collector", and serves as the "memory" or data repository for the entire group. This is usually what is considered the equivalent of a commander or ambassador. Xenakars are parthenogenetic and lay soft eggs inside decomposing organic matter, preferably inside corpses and carcasses.

    Xenakars do not have any sense of pity or compassion, and operate coldly, making their expansionist drive a very serious threat. On one-on-one combat, they have been seen jumping at a human's head and then stabbing them in the chest with their strong tails. Because they breath ammonia, however, they are rarely seen outside of their ships or any suitably enclosed environment, except of course on the toxic planets they colonize. For larger assaults, they use vehicles that are semi-organic - like their ships - and which often move on articulated legs. They also use larger creatures specifically bred for ground combat. Establishing any kind of relationship with this species is a tremendous challenge.

    Studies suggest that Xenakars evolved from parasites living in ponds of liquid ammonia - an extraordinary biological feat for a multicellar organism. Although they use metals and are naturally gifted chemists, they favor organic matter and even living organs for any type of construction, which may seem paradoxical considering how harsh their homeworld is for life. Xenakars curiously do not have a 0 in their culture, not only as a symbol, but also as any multiple of 10. This sometimes makes their arithmetic difficult to understand, and causes practical military issues.

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    Ylrikis

    The Ylrikis are native of Nushagak, a G5 subgiant system with a wide but hot habitable zone, located on the way to Polaris, towards NGC 246 and the Alpha Persei cluster. The Ylrikis homeworld is a desert planet with sparse, salty water seas. The Ylrikis have evolutionary roots into arthropod-like aquatic species with high saline tolerance, before their migration to land and their adaptation to dry and hot biomes.

    Grossly resembling three-meter high leeches with crustacean heads, Ylrikis generally have simple thoughts, and their society has an equally simple organisation. They are ruled, or perhaps more appropriately "guided", by a trio of "united" individuals, culturally and sexually, to which other trios are subordinate. Indeed, the Ylrikis possess a three-way form of sexuality requiring three partners to produce offsprings, and individuals forming such a union usually are bound for life. An Ylrikis has very little needs, filtering the air for water and ingesting soil for minerals and organic particles.

    The Ylrikis have an approach to existence that may be called spiritual, but without any superstition or any esoteric metaphysics attached to it. They have a reverence for life in general, and a deep respect for all things surrounding them. They are therefore mostly peaceful, but are also particularly devoted to protecting what they love and value.

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    Zygonen

    The imposing Zygonens, standing at a height of about four meters, come from the blighted planet Zygona, in the Bibha system, a G1V at the heart of Cassiopeia's Sextant, which is surrounded by pulsars and on the path towards the Orion nebula.

    It was initially believe that the Zygonens were responsible for the destruction of their homeworld, several thousands years ago, as the result of a nuclear holocaust. However, it is now clear that this cataclysm was caused instead by a massive asteroid impact, even if the belligerent culture of the Zygonens had certainly left their world in a poor state before the collision occurred. Their society today is born from the ashes of this past history, making them all fantastically resilient survivors, and perhaps even reinforced their warmongering tendencies. They have also biologically and technologically adapted to the peculiar conditions of devastated worlds, which in their chaos and instability share similarities with protoplanets.

    Zygonens are obsessed with symmetry and rectangularity, from their ships and constructions to their culture and the very structure of their society. This society is divided into three classes: the Khhâellfar (Resilient), the Çbemedanik (Inspired) and the Jiùjiùnoor (Valorous). None of these is superior to the other, instead they are considered the three essential aspects of a society and each individual must join one of them - through a fundamentally important ritual - according to their predispositions and skills. The casts more or less respectively represent the workers, the intellectuals and the soldiers, although zygonen functions can in fact be quite complex, and for instance officers can be either Çbemedanik or Jiùjiùnoor depending on their role.

    Zygonens have an horizontally elongate head with two red slits for eyes, and a tiny mouth hidden behind salivary papillae. Zygonens only have short stumps for arms but also a set of six pedal tentacles they use for locomotion and manipulation. This is consistent with the idea that Zygona was originally a deep ocean planet. In spite of their tiny mouth opening, Zygonens intriguingly can also produce a colossal range of sounds, much more vast than what humans are capable of. This makes their language uniquely deep, artistic and complex, even if it is bound by geometric rules.


    PRIORITIES AND TECHNICAL CHALLENGES

    The main technical challenges to overcome to make progress towards the release of SPACE AGE: GALAXY and SPACE AGE, by order of current priority:
    • 1. Debug the currently available XML
      -> Changing race names causes them to be unselectable at game start
      -> Metallic asteroid name hardcoded and cannot be modified
      -> Luxury resources cannot be deleted from Resources.xml and unused ones still appear in-game.
    • 2. Obtain access to images
      Images, including species and character portraits and planet backgrounds, are harcoded.
    • 3. Make categories for male and female names and associate with image bundles
      Currently there is only first and last name categories in Races.xml and control over image allocation is hardcoded.
    • 4. Obtain access to galaxy generation settings
      I made the Thousand Starmap exportable as a table file. Ideally, this dataset could be fed to the galaxy generator in-game to place star names, spectral types and relative locations and then procedurally generate the rest.
    • 5. Broader code access
      Making new character types (Ace pilots), changing fuel with supplies and adding gateways will only be possible with more code access and understanding, which is a more long-term goal.



    ROADMAP AND CHANGELOG

    /SPOILERS\
    ROADMAP:
    - Overhauled, more science-based astronomical data;
    - Improved and expanded list of governments, now 11 in total;
    - Expanded bonuses and locations of interest for celestial bodies [UNFINISHED];
    - Modified and expanded music [UNFINISHED];

    -> SPACE AGE: GALAXY milestone

    - Revisited troops, planetary facilities and artefacts [PLANNED];
    - Overhauled, more realistic set of resources [UNFINISHED (BONUSES)];
    - Overhauled tech tree, with a richer sci-fi context, and with more integrated research pathways [UNFINISHED];
    - Revisited component names and characteristics [UNFINISHED];
    - Three new alien species with deep lore replacing vanilla ones [UNFINISHED, TO IMPLEMENT];

    -> SPACE AGE: GALACTIC CIVILIZATIONS milestone

    - Overhauled character pool (names and avatars) for humans, with male and female variants [TO IMPLEMENT];
    - Introduction of Ace pilots as characters [PLANNED, TO IMPLEMENT];
    - 1000 star map within 2000 parsecs of Sol [TO IMPLEMENT];
    - "Fuel" limiting system replaced by "Supplies" [PLANNED, TO IMPLEMENT];
    - Jump gates [PLANNED, TO IMPLEMENT];
    - Entirely new storyline, with ties to known sci-fi franchises, and new game events [PLANNED].

    -> SPACE AGE

    Features [TO IMPLEMENT] are essentially ready but cannot yet be added to the game due to the current modding limitations.

    [COMPATIBILITY]

    SPACE AGE: N/A
    SPACE AGE: GALAXY: DW2 v.1014

    [INSTALLATION]

    TBA. Should come with installer and be made available on Steam workshop.

    [FILE STRUCTURE]

    /SpaceAge
    -spaceage_readme.text => this readme
    --/backup_SA => backup files
    ---Governments.xml
    ---OrbTypes.xml
    ---Races.xml
    ---Resources.xml
    --/screenshots_SA => screenshots of current bugs or mod features
    --/data => main mod files
    ---Governments.xml
    ---OrbTypes.xml
    ---Races.xml
    ---Resources.xml

    [CHANGELOG]

    v.0.1 23022021
    - Current star definitions replaced with spectral types: M to O plus D (white dwarves) (modified existing or newly created star types):
    > increased size ranges;
    > colour and brightness changes;
    > probability changes;
    - Brown dwarves larger;
    - Changed planet type probability around stars according to spectral type;
    - Extended moon types and number (up to 3 for most planets, up to 10 for gas giants);
    - Extended colour range for gas giants, inc. blue and red hues;
    - Removed planet-orbiting asteroids but made star-orbiting asteroids more common;
    - Changed min/max system objects according to spectral type.

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    v.0.2 24022021
    - Adjusted planet distance to star (life-bearing planets within CHZ btw. 10 and 20% dist. from star; separate telluric, gas giants and system boundary zones; fine overall temperature-based distance adjustments);
    - Adjusted planet quality ranges;
    - Implemented Tholen classification for asteroids, addition of C-group (carbonaceous) asteroids;
    - Replaced ice asteroids with icy planetesimals (Oort-type), always located at system heliopause;
    - Readjusted planet frequencies, increased probability of liquid water-bearing planets;
    - Brought max moons down to 2 (most telluric) and 6 (gas);
    - Included the GraphicsSettings_Galaxy.xml for a brighter background.

    *

    v.0.25 25022021
    - Changed planet names and introduced (by replacement) new planet types: microbial, blighted, toxic, protoplanet and gaia;
    - Changed planet size ranges;
    - Slight changes to resources for gas/ice giants;
    - Other minor adjustments.

    *

    v.0.3 26022021 - CAUTION: FROM THIS POINT ON MODDED ORBTYPES.XML AND RESOURCES.XML ARE INTERDEPENDENT - this will also affect everything else in the game based on resources.
    - Resources.xml entirely modded based on mostly real and some fictional materials, now composed of 1 fuel, 16 construction and 18 luxury resources, all with new names and descriptions;
    - Resource distribution and abundance in stellar objects completely redone: luxury resources are now unique to a single planet type; stellar objects generally have more resources but yields are smaller; black holes can now be harvested for anti-matter;
    - Blighted planets have been reworked;
    - Other small adjustments to OrbTypes.xml.

    *

    v.0.35 18052021

    - Added all new and modified governments, with descriptions, updated WotA and WoD;
    - Made modifications to humans in Races.xml following modifications in Governments.xml;
    - Added new species and wrote descriptions, adjusted some variables;
    - Added new human name list.

    ///KNOWN ISSUES///

    See ROADMAP and PRIORITIES AND TECHNICAL CHALLENGES.



    DISCLAIMERS
    • This mod and all associated contents come from personal endeavour, are entirely non-commercial, and are not officially endorsed by CodeForce or Matrix Games LLC. All new creative contents related to this mod should be considered under a CC BY-NC license.
    • The new character portraits were generated thanks to EVE Online's avatar designer and are used strictly according to CCP Games' Terms of Use. This material is used with limited permission of CCP Games. No official affiliation or endorsement by CCP Games is stated or implied.
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So looking forward to this. Will be glad to test, help out, whatever. I know this is a labor of love but thanks anyway for your hard work on this!
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Wow, impressive.
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Mega mod plan *checks calendar* 4 days after release.


Well, that was fast. I think I'm going to like this modding scene.
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This looks brilliant, looking forward to this...
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brucethemoose wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:19 am Mega mod plan *checks calendar* 4 days after release.


Well, that was fast. I think I'm going to like this modding scene.
[COMPATIBILITY]

DW2 v.0958
Pretty sure they had a head start.
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How about making this great, epic mod sticky ? - any MOD in this forum ? ;)
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Looks amazing, cannot wait to try it out.
Once complete, will this be getting added to the steam workshop? (once workshop support is available of course)
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Thanks for the support, guys. @Scott2933 This is certainly a labour of love!
Jadey wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:14 am Pretty sure they had a head start.
The fundamental idea was conceived before the Beta even started, since I knew DW2 was going to use its own random starmaps and storyline.
ranik_sandaris wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 12:04 pm Once complete, will this be getting added to the steam workshop? (once workshop support is available of course)
I don't see any issue with this, but I think there's still a lot of work before using the Steam Workshop for DW2 becomes a viable option.

I added a new section laying out the current issues with making the mod happen. Not so many and I believe a bunch of them should be overcome soon enough. But if you have any advice on any of those, it is welcome! I'll start exploring further the harmony option, but using this method will definitely call for additional help, because I know C# as much as a horse knows poetry.
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This looks really good, I'm hyped!
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Nice!
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I released the overhauled government file as a standalone download, so test away!
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Base game has some easily fixable issues your mod could look into:

Vector engines are useless (too weak to have an effect)
Fighters are too slow (sometimes slower than their mothership)
All weapons have PD ability, and few PD overpowers any Carrier swarm.
Bombarding is already in the early game way too fast in terms of killing the population and troops. You can wipe out your enemies while they are still in hyperdrive to save the planet using normal level 2 torpedoes.
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Thanks, that's useful and noted. I do intend to also address some balancing in this mod as I'm working on component definitions, and to compare reports I see with my own testing, so, yes, please, feel free to share your suggestions.

Regarding engines, one of the major changes planned for this mod is to considerably increase sublight speed, which should also give more room to make each type more unique. In the context of SPACE AGE, this also involves other required technologies and different sets / amounts of resources.
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I started a Presentation section detailing some of the main changes the mod will contain. I also decided to do a two-part pre-release.
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Very interesting mod. Will keep a good eye on this.
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Hey Stepan - I have looked into your governments mod and I have two questions:

1. Do you have a sumary or a little concept of what your new governments types imply (gameplay-wise) or what they will accomplish in the game ? (not especially the real numbers / bonuses (I already have them as screen-shots now :)), but a kind of explanation with your own words / some sreens (of your concepts) may also be sufficent (if you could share those). ;) )

2. Where is the government type "Democracy" gone (or why have you dropped it) ??

EDIT: Another question: Why is "Way of Darkness" and "Way of the Ancients" not available for ANY of the races (or at least not from the beginning / a new game) ??
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frankycl wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:47 pm Hey Stepan - I have looked into your governments mod and I have two questions:

1. Do you have a sumary or a little concept of what your new governments types imply (gameplay-wise) or what they will accomplish in the game ? (not especially the real numbers / bonuses (I already have them as screen-shots now :)), but a kind of explanation with your own words / some sreens (of your concepts) may also be sufficent (if you could share those). ;) )
I tailored the data of these governments to do what would be expected from them in reality. They are more or less arranged into contrasting and/or softer to more radical pairs:
- Choose a Theocratic Monarchy if you want a firm grip on your pops, do not much care about vast and fast scientific advancement, and are prepared to be rather isolated diplomatically. On the contrary, choose Technocracy if you are prepared to be weaker in military and productivity but want to compensate with unrivalled research;
- Choose Bureaucratic Communism if you don't mind lower direct income but higher productivity. In many ways it is a stricter version of a Socialist Republic.
- Likewise, a Corporatist Oligarchy is a more radical version of a Capitalist Republic, which should be self-explanatory - the guiding line of your society is essentially growth through profit.
- Benevolent and Military Dictatorships are two facets of authoritarianism, one more utopic than the other - use Benevolent Dictatorship to roleplay as a "good dictator".
But how well this actually works requires testing.
frankycl wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:47 pm 2. Where is the government type "Democracy" gone (or why have you dropped it) ??
Democracy has to do with representation and the election process, which is not really accounted for by the variables provided by the game, so it is simply abstracted. Several of the governments proposed can be democratic, by contrast obviously to the oligarchies and dictatorships.
frankycl wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:47 pm EDIT: Another question: Why is "Way of Darkness" and "Way of the Ancients" not available for ANY race (or at least not from the beginning of a new game) ??
You have to play the game further to discover that :)
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Miletkir wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 11:12 pm I tailored the data of these governments to do what would be expected from them in reality. They are more or less arranged into contrasting and/or softer to more radical pairs:
(...)
Ok, thanks for this hints/explanations - those are very interesting, too. :)
But what I meant was more the overall advantages/disadvantages (or the distinct specifics) that the single government types will give the players gameplay-wise. (e.g. what are the most important strength-/weakness-points in comparison to the other types (?), etc.) Don't you have a concept-sheet, or something, that you had used to balance the values in the game ? (at least that's how I would have done it) ;)

Miletkir wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 11:12 pm Democracy has to do with representation and the election process, which is not really accounted for by the variables provided by the game, (...)
That's a kind of pointless argument, don't you think ? This "election process" is something that just isn't possible to be "accounted for" in any game, because it would need many diferent INDIVIDUALS that would be part of these elections.
But in games (and certainly in single-player games) this always only can be simulated by either the option to do this "election" by th players themselves (which can't be more than 1 single individual, normally) or to let the AI do the election, but this comes down to some algorithms that a single peron (or a little group) had made and therefore wouldn't be much diferent than the other option from above. - No, to simulate such an "election process" it would be needed to simulate many, many individual AIs beforehand (or to let real persons do it in multiplayer) - and that simply isn't possible for ANY game I know off - and certainly not of any 4x game. :|
But what can be simulated (and this is certainly the intension of the Devs that put this option in the vanilla game) is the outcome of this election-/government-system that has some distintc diferences to other government systems (socially, economically and regarding laws and social liberties, etc.). - And therefore I would really like to suggest to add this kind of government in your mod again. ;)
Miletkir wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 11:12 pm
frankycl wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:47 pm EDIT: Another question: Why is "Way of Darkness" and "Way of the Ancients" not available for ANY race (or at least not from the beginning of a new game) ??
You have to play the game further to discover that :)
Ok, then I figure that this will be found in the Races.xml, yes ? (I'd like to know this beforehand, because I intend to to do some changes in those files in my own mods and need to know what/where I would have to add those things in the files. ;) (at least as long as we don't have a propper mod-management for the game that will allow to use different "same" files simultaneously. :roll: )

Another little thing: The descriptins of your government types sometimes don't fit properly in the game window of the race-gereration screen (not even with all default values in the options menu - at least not in my game). It's not much, but it seems to be a bit longer on the right side than the windows would allow. ;)
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Like I said, whether the desired effects will happen and how is a matter of testing. I personally don't like to have things laid out too precisely, because it takes away the enjoyment of the unforeseen.

I don't think it's pointless, no. There are elections in Stellaris. Not here. And like I said, democracy is abstracted in several governments. Just consider republics as democratic if you want.

The special govs have to do with the endgame, so... Play. Yes, there are formatting issues with long texts but my hands are tied about that.
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