Neutral Belgium. Warspite vs Ulver
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Neutral Belgium. Warspite vs Ulver
Special House Rules
1. Neutral Belgium. Until and unless neutrality is violated by the central powers the following apply:
1.1 Entente player may not build, place or move any Belgium units
1.2 Other Entente units may not enter Belgian territory.
1.3 Central Powers are considered to have violated Belgian neutrality when a Central Power unit attacks a Belgian unit or enters a Belgian hex. Doing so voids house rule section 1 and 2.
2.British neutrality. Britain is assumed to be initially neutral and then eventually entering the war to preserve the balance of power on the continent in response to Central Powers aggression. While neutral the following applies
2.1 No non-British Entente units may enter British hexes
2.2 No British units may enter the territory of another Entente power, attack a central power unit(that includes ships) or enter Central power territory.
2.3 Britain may not disband any units...
2.4. Britain is restricted in buying additional research centers.
2.4.1 To buy additional Ground Unit Research centers she must build and maintain one Infantry Army in addition to starting forces for each Research center she buys
2.4.2 To buy additional Artillery Research centers she must build and maintain two Artillery units for each Research center she buys
2.4.3 To buy additional Navel Research centers she must build and maintain one battleship in addition to starting forces for each Research center she buys
2.4.4 To buy additional Air Research centers she must build and maintain two fighters in addition to starting forces for each Research center she buys
2.4.5 To buy additional vehicle Research centers she must build and maintain two armored cars for each Research center she buys. Note: This to avoid Britain disbanding everything and putting everything into Research until 6 turns before she goes to war where she would sell some of the research she could not maintain and buy units
2.5 British entry into the Great War. Britain enters the war when
2.5.1 A central power unit enters Belgium or attacks a Belgian unit.
2.5.2 A Central Power unit is adjacent to Paris or Rome
2.5.3 A Central Power unit attacks a French convoy
2.5.4 A Central Power unit attacks a British unit
2.5.5 A Central Power unit enters a British controlled hex.
2.5.6 It is 1916 or later
2.6 British entry into the war voids section 2 of the house rules. Note section 1 will still apply unless 2.5.1 applies
3. US entry into the great war
3.1 Germany must declare war on the USA after 6 turns where any two of Paris, Rome, Petrograd/Moscow or London have been continuously held by the Central Powers.
3.1.1 Petrograd/Moscow only counts as one city even if both are captured – it counts if either has been captured
3.2 An accepted Russian surrender counts as occupation of Petrograd/Moscow
4 Miscellanies rules.
4.1 Germany is allowed to have two Zeppelins on the board.
4.1 Powers other then Germany is allowed to have one Zeppelins on the board
1. Neutral Belgium. Until and unless neutrality is violated by the central powers the following apply:
1.1 Entente player may not build, place or move any Belgium units
1.2 Other Entente units may not enter Belgian territory.
1.3 Central Powers are considered to have violated Belgian neutrality when a Central Power unit attacks a Belgian unit or enters a Belgian hex. Doing so voids house rule section 1 and 2.
2.British neutrality. Britain is assumed to be initially neutral and then eventually entering the war to preserve the balance of power on the continent in response to Central Powers aggression. While neutral the following applies
2.1 No non-British Entente units may enter British hexes
2.2 No British units may enter the territory of another Entente power, attack a central power unit(that includes ships) or enter Central power territory.
2.3 Britain may not disband any units...
2.4. Britain is restricted in buying additional research centers.
2.4.1 To buy additional Ground Unit Research centers she must build and maintain one Infantry Army in addition to starting forces for each Research center she buys
2.4.2 To buy additional Artillery Research centers she must build and maintain two Artillery units for each Research center she buys
2.4.3 To buy additional Navel Research centers she must build and maintain one battleship in addition to starting forces for each Research center she buys
2.4.4 To buy additional Air Research centers she must build and maintain two fighters in addition to starting forces for each Research center she buys
2.4.5 To buy additional vehicle Research centers she must build and maintain two armored cars for each Research center she buys. Note: This to avoid Britain disbanding everything and putting everything into Research until 6 turns before she goes to war where she would sell some of the research she could not maintain and buy units
2.5 British entry into the Great War. Britain enters the war when
2.5.1 A central power unit enters Belgium or attacks a Belgian unit.
2.5.2 A Central Power unit is adjacent to Paris or Rome
2.5.3 A Central Power unit attacks a French convoy
2.5.4 A Central Power unit attacks a British unit
2.5.5 A Central Power unit enters a British controlled hex.
2.5.6 It is 1916 or later
2.6 British entry into the war voids section 2 of the house rules. Note section 1 will still apply unless 2.5.1 applies
3. US entry into the great war
3.1 Germany must declare war on the USA after 6 turns where any two of Paris, Rome, Petrograd/Moscow or London have been continuously held by the Central Powers.
3.1.1 Petrograd/Moscow only counts as one city even if both are captured – it counts if either has been captured
3.2 An accepted Russian surrender counts as occupation of Petrograd/Moscow
4 Miscellanies rules.
4.1 Germany is allowed to have two Zeppelins on the board.
4.1 Powers other then Germany is allowed to have one Zeppelins on the board
RE: Neutral Belgium. Warspite vs Ulver
Could a nice moderator move this to the AAR sub-forum? I posted it in the main forum by mistake
RE: Neutral Belgium. Warspite vs Ulver
Thanks Guys
Now Maitland, now's your time!
Duke of Wellington to 1st Guards Brigade - Waterloo 18 June 1815
Duke of Wellington to 1st Guards Brigade - Waterloo 18 June 1815
Stupidity and the origins of the French crisis.
Stupidity and the origins of the French crisis.
I screwed up, badly.
In what may well be the single greatest act of folly in the History of the 3rd French Republic I disbanded the bulk of the French army. My one consolation is that it is likely it’s last as it may well have doomed it. It is easy to spin this as the French High Command and government acting like morons but at the time there were what seemed like good reasons.
Listen, it’s not that complicated. It seemed blindingly obvious to me that with a narrow heavily fortified Western front the Germans would never launch a frontal assault on France as the same short narrow front allowed the Germans to throw 80% of their combat power east and knock out Serbia in 1914 with a very good chance forcing a Russian armistice in 1915.
I certainly wasn’t going to launch the French against heavily entrenched German defenders without even possession industrial warfare technology and without artillery support. Economically it made a lot of sense to disband unneeded corps, saving the upkeep and investing the proceeds in bombers and airship to wage a relentless strategic bombing campaign and research centers to upgrade French forces to the point where they could attack with massive artillery support.
It seemed a good idea at them time. Even if it ranks up there with “The Ardennes is impenetrable to armor,” deployment blunders in hindsight.
Turn 4 – August 13th 1914. No reasons to fear a German attack at this time. Demobilize everything but the bare minimum.
I screwed up, badly.
In what may well be the single greatest act of folly in the History of the 3rd French Republic I disbanded the bulk of the French army. My one consolation is that it is likely it’s last as it may well have doomed it. It is easy to spin this as the French High Command and government acting like morons but at the time there were what seemed like good reasons.
Listen, it’s not that complicated. It seemed blindingly obvious to me that with a narrow heavily fortified Western front the Germans would never launch a frontal assault on France as the same short narrow front allowed the Germans to throw 80% of their combat power east and knock out Serbia in 1914 with a very good chance forcing a Russian armistice in 1915.
I certainly wasn’t going to launch the French against heavily entrenched German defenders without even possession industrial warfare technology and without artillery support. Economically it made a lot of sense to disband unneeded corps, saving the upkeep and investing the proceeds in bombers and airship to wage a relentless strategic bombing campaign and research centers to upgrade French forces to the point where they could attack with massive artillery support.
It seemed a good idea at them time. Even if it ranks up there with “The Ardennes is impenetrable to armor,” deployment blunders in hindsight.
Turn 4 – August 13th 1914. No reasons to fear a German attack at this time. Demobilize everything but the bare minimum.
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RE: Stupidity and the origins of the French crisis.
Any rules to prevent Belgium from spamming garrisons when attacked with all those built up PP's?
RE: Stupidity and the origins of the French crisis.
ORIGINAL: CarnageINC
Any rules to prevent Belgium from spamming garrisons when attacked with all those built up PP's?
I didn’t consider it needed. If Belgium is attacked in turn 50 yes she could build a stack of garrisons but.
a) She can only place one pr city she controls
b) She can only do so while controlling her capital
c) She cannot pay maintenance for a lot of garrisons for very long.
Frankly if a Central Power player were foolish enough to attack a neutral Belgium late in the game and fail to take Bruxelles then I figure he is such a piss-poor player that he is doomed anyway.
Desperate times; desperate measures.
Desperate times; desperate measures.
As the French government meets in an atmosphere of utter desperation it is clear that any expense not relevant to the immediate defense to France must be abandoned. Long term planning is a luxury the republic can no longer afford. There is shock as the entire French fleet is summarily scrapped and is sailors thrown into the fight as reserve armies.
Turn 7. September 17th 1914. If it can’t be thrown into the front line what good is it?
As the French government meets in an atmosphere of utter desperation it is clear that any expense not relevant to the immediate defense to France must be abandoned. Long term planning is a luxury the republic can no longer afford. There is shock as the entire French fleet is summarily scrapped and is sailors thrown into the fight as reserve armies.
Turn 7. September 17th 1914. If it can’t be thrown into the front line what good is it?
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RE: Desperate times; desperate measures.
It seemed a good idea at them time. Even if it ranks up there with “The Ardennes is impenetrable to armor,” deployment blunders in hindsight.
So what happaned then? Did the Germans attack and break through that thin line after all?
RE: Desperate times; desperate measures.
Okay, here are three screenies showing the position in each of the main theatres:
Firstly the Western Front. Interestingly a French unit may have retreated into Belgium. Should this be interned?
Firstly the Western Front. Interestingly a French unit may have retreated into Belgium. Should this be interned?
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Now Maitland, now's your time!
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RE: Desperate times; desperate measures.
..meanwhile chez Serbia, I suspect Nis is possibly about to fall [:D]
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Now Maitland, now's your time!
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RE: Desperate times; desperate measures.
Last of three, its the Russian Front, where Ulver put East Prussia under serious threat, but appears to have left Brest-Litovsk undefended in so doing..
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Now Maitland, now's your time!
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RE: Desperate times; desperate measures.
I said that East Prussia was under threat... and so it has proved - Ulver takes the East Prussian capital [:@]
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RE: Desperate times; desperate measures.
Those French Corps around Verdun should actually be isolated, if Belgium was truly neutral. Makes it tougher for the CP player using these rules. It'd be nicer to have a 'Belgian Neutrality' switch that we could flip in one of the LUA scripts - so that it's only available to those who know what they are doing! (but IS available).
I've rarely seen an Eastern front so open.
I've rarely seen an Eastern front so open.
RE: Desperate times; desperate measures.
warspite1ORIGINAL: Amaranthus
Those French Corps around Verdun should actually be isolated, if Belgium was truly neutral. Makes it tougher for the CP player using these rules. It'd be nicer to have a 'Belgian Neutrality' switch that we could flip in one of the LUA scripts - so that it's only available to those who know what they are doing! (but IS available).
I think there is a couple of hexes to the Belgian border so they are probably in supply at the moment, but yes, I realised that too shortcoming too [:(]
Now Maitland, now's your time!
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The War expands
The lion awakened.
An increasingly worried British Government sends urgent telegrams to Berlin urging the German empire to accept French request for a ceasefire and guarantying that Germany have no territorial claims on France. Failing to get a reply the British Prime Minister ask for a declaration of war and authority to ship the British expeditionary force to France urgently as German troops are reported on the outskirts of Paris.
Only later does Parliament learn that British forces had been pre-positioned just off the French coast in preparation in response to increasingly desperate French pleas for assistance.
Turn 11. November 12th 1914. As German forces enter the outskirts of Paris the British Empire issues its final warning that the destruction of France is not acceptable to Britain.
An increasingly worried British Government sends urgent telegrams to Berlin urging the German empire to accept French request for a ceasefire and guarantying that Germany have no territorial claims on France. Failing to get a reply the British Prime Minister ask for a declaration of war and authority to ship the British expeditionary force to France urgently as German troops are reported on the outskirts of Paris.
Only later does Parliament learn that British forces had been pre-positioned just off the French coast in preparation in response to increasingly desperate French pleas for assistance.
Turn 11. November 12th 1914. As German forces enter the outskirts of Paris the British Empire issues its final warning that the destruction of France is not acceptable to Britain.
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RE: The War expands
Whoooah..
Okay my fault I did not read the rules properly and moving next to Paris was dumb BUT...
..You mentioned above that "British forces had been pre-positioned just off the French coast". If I read this right then the units are aboard transports and ready to land?? That can't be right for a neutral can it? Surely they don't sail until war is triggered?
Okay my fault I did not read the rules properly and moving next to Paris was dumb BUT...
..You mentioned above that "British forces had been pre-positioned just off the French coast". If I read this right then the units are aboard transports and ready to land?? That can't be right for a neutral can it? Surely they don't sail until war is triggered?
Now Maitland, now's your time!
Duke of Wellington to 1st Guards Brigade - Waterloo 18 June 1815
Duke of Wellington to 1st Guards Brigade - Waterloo 18 June 1815
RE: The War expands
ORIGINAL: warspite1
Whoooah..
Okay my fault I did not read the rules properly and moving next to Paris was dumb BUT...
..You mentioned above that "British forces had been pre-positioned just off the French coast". If I read this right then the units are aboard transports and ready to land?? That can't be right for a neutral can it? Surely they don't sail until war is triggered?
I’m a game mechanism exploiter. Sorry – I suppose that is stretching it a little. I’ll be happy to leave the British units stationary for the two turns at the canal coast it would have taken them to get there from England.
It is a hard rule to write down – not allowing neutral British units to enter coastal hexes.
I did mean to write a nice little AAR notice about the British Government issuing warnings and was pretty shocked when you moved next to Paris.
Missed a pretty important rule? I’ll be very happy to call this game a draw and start over. (Hint – next time less disbandment of French forces
RE: The War expands
warspite1ORIGINAL: ulver
ORIGINAL: warspite1
Whoooah..
Okay my fault I did not read the rules properly and moving next to Paris was dumb BUT...
..You mentioned above that "British forces had been pre-positioned just off the French coast". If I read this right then the units are aboard transports and ready to land?? That can't be right for a neutral can it? Surely they don't sail until war is triggered?
I’m a game mechanism exploiter. Sorry – I suppose that is stretching it a little. I’ll be happy to leave the British units stationary for the two turns at the canal coast it would have taken them to get there from England.
It is a hard rule to write down – not allowing neutral British units to enter coastal hexes.
I did mean to write a nice little AAR notice about the British Government issuing warnings and was pretty shocked when you moved next to Paris.
Missed a pretty important rule? I’ll be very happy to call this game a draw and start over. (Hint – next time less disbandment of French forces
No I'm happy to continue, and appreciate your offer of holding fire with the British troops, which I think is in the spirit of what we are trying to explore here.
Now Maitland, now's your time!
Duke of Wellington to 1st Guards Brigade - Waterloo 18 June 1815
Duke of Wellington to 1st Guards Brigade - Waterloo 18 June 1815
RE: The War expands
ORIGINAL: warspite1
No I'm happy to continue, and appreciate your offer of holding fire with the British troops, which I think is in the spirit of what we are trying to explore here.
A nice touch of added realism even. The German government misunderstanding the diplomatic signals from Britain and ignoring warnings not to penetrate further into France. You should change your illustration of the capture of the East Prussian Capital post – currently it shows the West Front. Is likely to confuse the hell out of Readers.
You really caught me with your attack on France I was 110% sure you’d go East protected by British Neutrality and the short well defended west front. Call it a massive intelligence failure. Heads will roll!!!
RE: The War expands
warspite1ORIGINAL: ulver
ORIGINAL: warspite1
No I'm happy to continue, and appreciate your offer of holding fire with the British troops, which I think is in the spirit of what we are trying to explore here.
You should change your illustration of the capture of the East Prussian Capital post – currently it shows the West Front. Is likely to confuse the hell out of Readers.
If you scroll along you will see this is the whole of Europe inc East Prussia
Now Maitland, now's your time!
Duke of Wellington to 1st Guards Brigade - Waterloo 18 June 1815
Duke of Wellington to 1st Guards Brigade - Waterloo 18 June 1815