baltic states

[boldairade]

what date does russia annex baltic states?

[AlvaroSousa]

Historical but it might be a few days later as there are 2 week turns. Around June 1940 I believe.

But Germany does NOT want to attack the Baltic States. It drastically increases their entry which increases their production.

[boldairade]

thx for the answer AS.

any idea the bonus?

the reason i ask is, i was wondering if, say germany wanted to attack russia before finishing France, would it make any sense to invade the Baltic states prior to the Russians taking them?

while i have you, say Germany DID invade russia and was doing well-would hungary or romania ever join the axis(since paris would still be french)?

if the answer was no, i wonder if it would be hard to make that a possibility(say maybe they enter as axis allies if Germany takes moscow)

[AlvaroSousa]

+35 Allies if the Axis declare war on the Baltic States.

They will come in Summer 1940 if you do so.

You could try to DOW on Russia in the Summer of 1940 but you will lose pretty ugly.

[AlvaroSousa]

Hungary and Romania join on a specific time table.

[boldairade]

Hungary and Romania join on a specific time table.

even without the capitulation of France?

[AlvaroSousa]

If I remember they have that requirement. I could be wrong. Should be in the scenario notes.

[PanzerMike]

////AXIS MINOR POWERS
//Hungary Joins Axis
$ChangeEntry
if_Date=11/5/1940
if_Country=2
if_Surrender=true
entryShift=-100
actionCountry=6
targetCountry=23
lifespan=tillTrigger
text=Hungary signs the Tripartite Pact.
addReportTo=All
$End

//Romania Joins Axis 11/23/1940 historical
$ChangeEntry
if_Date=11/1/1940
if_Country=2
if_Surrender=true
entryShift=-100
actionCountry=6
targetCountry=44
lifespan=tillTrigger
text=Romania signs the Tripartite Pact.
addReportTo=All
$End

You can see the dates in the event scripts where the game will start checking if conditions are met. France (Country=2) must have surrendered for the event to actually fire.

[boldairade]

yes, this is kind of what i was asking.

i believe, according to the notes, finland is the same.

does this make sense? if germany were to do well in an initial campaign vs USSR, would bulgaria, romania, hungary and finland all sit it out?

in game terms, it makes any 'russia first' strat doomed. even faking it really doesn't impact the allied player. and i think that's too bad.

in real world terms, i really don't know the answer. would those powers have lacked faith in Germany had Germany not knocked out France? or would they have opportunistically jumped on the anti russia band wagon?

[PanzerMike]

//Finland Joins Axis
$ChangeEntry
if_Date=3/13/1941
if_Country=2
if_Surrender=true
entryShift=-100
actionCountry=6
targetCountry=20
lifespan=tillTrigger
text=Finland joins the Axis.
addReportTo=All
$End

Same for Finland, if France has surrendered they will join in March 1941.

[boldairade]

i hear you

my question is, does it make sense for the game to require the surrender of France for these nations to consider entry.

[AlvaroSousa]

Germany attacking Russia first would be suicidal.

All the Allies have to do is attrition the Germans to death. Superior production between all 3 powers. They can exchange 2 for 1. UK would have a huge army in no time as the Germans are forced to build land units.

[boldairade]

Probably

But without the Allies it’s a no go at all.

And whether or not it’s viable with even players isn’t really my point.

I was just thinking that making capitulation of France a prerequisite might not be necessary

[stjeand]

Probably

But without the Allies it’s a no go at all.

And whether or not it’s viable with even players isn’t really my point.

I was just thinking that making capitulation of France a prerequisite might not be necessary

Those countries joined because France fell so easily.
They believed they were joining the winning side.

At that moment they were correct.
The invasion of Russia changed that as you know.

[boldairade]

that was part of it.

another part was longstanding conflict with russia and a chance to reclaim perceived losses.

none of this, really, is to the point here, which is this: would the game be more entertaining/varied if the condition for german allies did not always include the fall of France. i think the answer is yes.

[ncc1701e]

Sorry but I have restarted a new game and Baltic States did not convert to USSR side. Was there a hotfix done for this? I remember something like this but can't find out.

[PanzerMike]

Yeah, it was fixed with latest hotfix

[ncc1701e]

Did anyone confirm the hotfix is working? Baltic States is owned by nobody.

I will reinstall the whole game to have a clean install.

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[PanzerMike]

Works for me

[AlvaroSousa]

Some of the fixes are scenario fixes that only happen when starting a new game.

Others are game engine fixes. Usually these are combat/movement issues.