Do support units attached to paratroop units..
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drop with the unit, or is attaching support units prior to a drop a waste of effort?
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Re: Do support units attached to paratroop units..
I know that attached paratroop support units drop with a unit. I'm sure that armoured/motorised support units would not drop as the transport planes can't carry them. I have not tried with an engineer support unit but I think they can't be combat dropped.
I usually just assign the support units I plan to attach to paratroop units to a corps hq that I am planing on landing on the turn following the invasion.
I usually just assign the support units I plan to attach to paratroop units to a corps hq that I am planing on landing on the turn following the invasion.
Re: Do support units attached to paratroop units..
So this might explain why I was having such difficulties with paradrops, maybe I was placing vehicle support units. I have not seen any glider type units unless the 52nd BR Air-Portable Division is one.
If so, how is it deployed?
If so, how is it deployed?
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I don't believe it is a glider unit. It is air transportable from airbase to airbase, as all Para units are as well.
No army fielded an actualy glider unit that I am aware of. Certain Para units were assigned to glider landings. This does not appear to be modeled in the game.
No army fielded an actualy glider unit that I am aware of. Certain Para units were assigned to glider landings. This does not appear to be modeled in the game.
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Germans had at least two division trained for glider ops + another one may have been used to capture crete.
Italians had the LaSpezia designated as air transportable, intended to capture Malta.
Italians had the LaSpezia designated as air transportable, intended to capture Malta.
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Which Divisions are you referring to?
The German Air Landing Division was Air Transportable, juts like the British Division in the game.
IIRC that division was air transported to Maleme airfield, not landed by glider.
Neither the Germans nor the Allies had sufficient quantities of gliders to land entire divisions, nor did they have the surplus air transports, over and above what was needed for the paras, to tow a divisions worth of gliders.
The German Air Landing Division was Air Transportable, juts like the British Division in the game.
IIRC that division was air transported to Maleme airfield, not landed by glider.
Neither the Germans nor the Allies had sufficient quantities of gliders to land entire divisions, nor did they have the surplus air transports, over and above what was needed for the paras, to tow a divisions worth of gliders.
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The Germans were the first to use gliders in world war two.
https://history.delaware.gov/world-war- ... -aircraft/
https://history.delaware.gov/world-war- ... -aircraft/
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In May, Fliegerkorps XI moved from Germany to the Athens area, but the destruction wrought during the invasion of Greece forced a postponement of the attack to 20 May. New airfields were built, and 280 long-range bombers, 150 dive-bombers, 90 Bf 109s, 90 Bf 110s and 40 reconnaissance aircraft of Fliegerkorps VIII were assembled, along with 530 Ju 52 transport aircraft and 100 gliders. The Bf 109s and Stuka dive-bombers were based on forward airfields at Molaoi, Melos and Karpathos (then Scarpanto), with Corinth and Argos as base airfields. The Bf 110s were based at airfields near Athens, Argos and Corinth, all within 200 mi (320 km) of Crete, and the bomber or reconnaissance machines were accommodated at Athens, Salonica and a detachment on Rhodes, along with bases in Bulgaria at Sofia and Plovdiv, ten of the airfields being all-weather and 200–250 miles (320–400 km) from Crete. The transport aircraft flew from bases near Athens and southern Greece, including Eleusis, Tatoi, Megara and Corinth. British night bombers attacked the areas in the last few nights before the invasion, and Luftwaffe aircraft eliminated the British aircraft on Crete.
The Germans planned to use Fallschirmjäger to capture important points on the island, including airfields that could then be used to fly in supplies and reinforcements. Fliegerkorps XI was to co-ordinate the attack by the 7th Flieger Division, which would land by parachute and glider, followed by the 22nd Air Landing Division once the airfields were secure. The operation was scheduled for 16 May 1941, but was postponed to 20 May, with the 5th Mountain Division replacing the 22nd Air Landing Division. To support the German attack on Crete, eleven Italian submarines took post off Crete or the British bases of Sollum and Alexandria in Egypt.
Each German glider carried 10 men so that is 1000 men so around a good sized battalion were landed on Crete.
The Germans planned to use Fallschirmjäger to capture important points on the island, including airfields that could then be used to fly in supplies and reinforcements. Fliegerkorps XI was to co-ordinate the attack by the 7th Flieger Division, which would land by parachute and glider, followed by the 22nd Air Landing Division once the airfields were secure. The operation was scheduled for 16 May 1941, but was postponed to 20 May, with the 5th Mountain Division replacing the 22nd Air Landing Division. To support the German attack on Crete, eleven Italian submarines took post off Crete or the British bases of Sollum and Alexandria in Egypt.
Each German glider carried 10 men so that is 1000 men so around a good sized battalion were landed on Crete.
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On D-Day almost 900 Gliders were used and each usually could carry 25 men.
https://ww2days.com/glider-phase-of-d-day-begins-2.html
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For operation Market Garden, over 500 gliders were used.
https://www.raf.mod.uk/our-organisation ... T%20GARDEN.
https://www.raf.mod.uk/our-organisation ... T%20GARDEN.
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Re: Do support units attached to paratroop units..
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And in none of those cases was an entire division landed by glider.
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Re: Do support units attached to paratroop units..
I loaded up my paras with support units, and when it came time to drop, they would not drop and I received an error message about attached unit. removed the support unit, para dropped.
Sec 17.3.9, say the non-airborne units will be moved, but I found that not to be the case. I did not check the living manual.
Sec 17.3.9, say the non-airborne units will be moved, but I found that not to be the case. I did not check the living manual.
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