Suggestions for future patches

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RE: Suggestions for future patches

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1. Playing BTR for the Luftwaffe I face a problem while trying to attack escorted bomber formation. I target the escort with my light fighters whereas heavy fighters attack the bombers. However any fighter attacks the first enemy aircraft it meets, no matter of its type. So light fighters often attack bombers and heavies engage the escorts, both cases are true disaster. Is it possible to order the interceptors to attack ONLY the targeted type of enemy planes?

2. In reality the Germans since mid-1943 faced fuel shortages and pilot training courses suffered the most. Would be nice to control the proportion of fuel for combat units versus fuel for pilot schools and thus model the trade-off between avgas+time and pilot quality+quantity.
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For sure no. 2 is an excellent suggestion!
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1. Is it possible to order the interceptors to attack ONLY the targeted type of enemy planes?

There is no guarantee that the interceptors will always follow the doctrine that you set for them. I think it would be unrealistic to force it completely (pilots will tend to do whatever actions will not get them killed at the moment) but maybe we can increase the chances that they do follow the doctrine. Try setting patrols with different doctrines and time their interception to first force the escorts to break away, and then release the heavy fighters against the bombers.
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First of all a great thanks for the new patch, then two questions:
1) Given the presence of many German "what if" aircraft like the Ta 152, the Ta 184, the Go 229 or the Do 335, I wonder if it is not possible to insert the B-29 inside the Allied Oob like in the Turner's Focke-Wulf mod. I think it would be very interesting to see the Superfortress clash with the new German planes
2) I'm playing an Eagle Day 1941 campaign. It's the 15th turn and I noticed that a couple of days ago at the Baginton airport, appeared the 308th Polish Squadron which, according to the OOB, should arrive in 39 days
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1 No can do due to limitations that I agreed to with Matrix before this party got started.

2 Send me or preferably simovitch a saved game before it showed up and after, if possible.
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It is a sad thing to know about these limitations, but if these are the agreements there is nothing to be done, perhaps, one day, someone will make a new mod with the B-29. Regarding the saved game I have only the 15th turn, but I don't know how to send it to you or Simovitch, sorry, but I'm a little clumsy. The 308th was completely operational and I used it in the 14th turn, then I checked the Oob and by pure chance I noticed that it should have arrived a lot later.
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PM me and I will give you an email address
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Figured out the problem. 308 is at Baglinton and there should not be a delay. Also it is assigned to 11 Group and should be with 12 Group. I have made the changes. So well done Mappo, that was a good catch.
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Figured out the problem. 308 is at Baglinton and there should not be a delay. Also it is assigned to 11 Group and should be with 12 Group. I have made the changes. So well done Mappo, that was a good catch.
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The weather.
There are a few areas to look at
1) wind direction. Currently it is NW to SE. Prevailing winds in Europe are WSW to ENE. In winter and early spring occasionally North winds or east winds.
2) weather forecast. There is currently none. The allies put huge resources into this, they got good at it. Game has nothing.
3) Historically the weather in winter of 43 was much better than current campaign 43 allows. Maybe this could be looked at.
4) glitches! Sometimes if there is no aircraft flying the clouds reset. Gaps dissappear this plays havoc w mission planning. Seems to be a programming issue. Doesn't happen a lot but when it does it destroys gameplay.
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First of all Thanks Guys for bring this game back to life and i agree with a lot of the ideas here.
I also would like to add a couple myself:-

(1) The Marauder Bomber was in service with 14 Squadron from July 42 could we inculde this unit? Most of the other units using this Aircraft were either in the SAAF, free French ot USAAF. Its a personal favorite Aircraft so i understand if it can't be done.

(2) Drop tanks for the P-47D-6 after reading Jerry Scutts book P-47 Thunderbolt (the operational Record). It appears this aircraft could use either the 75Gal 108Gal 110Gal or 150Gal on a centre station. I wonder could we be given a selection of drop tank choices? To ofset this this book also states that only 450 tanks had been delivered by 12th October 1943 but by December this more like 18,000. I suggest we forget 200Gal tank used by the P-47 as it was unpressurised and leaked badly or only transfered fuel correctly below 20,000ft. I know that later models of the P-47 could carry up to three drop tanks so this may make it harder to program but its just an idea.

(3) Same as above but try to do the same for the P-39 75Gal Drop tank and the P-40 not sure of Drop tank size. Also repeat for axis forces where possible.

(4) In the pilot menu could we please be aloud to select which pilots can be assign to fly the next mission.

(5) Replace pilot pool much the same as in WITPAE.

That will do me.

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I think an increase in the number of mission would be good. I'm always running up against the mission limit. Particularly in months where I only get 1-2 good bombing days a week.
Another thing I'd find really useful is numbers on replacement aircraft for the allies each day since it seems to change over time.
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(1) The Marauder Bomber was in service with 14 Squadron from July 42 could we inculde this unit? Most of the other units using this Aircraft were either in the SAAF, free French ot USAAF. Its a personal favorite Aircraft so i understand if it can't be done.

(2) Drop tanks for the P-47D-6 after reading Jerry Scutts book P-47 Thunderbolt (the operational Record). It appears this aircraft could use either the 75Gal 108Gal 110Gal or 150Gal on a centre station. I wonder could we be given a selection of drop tank choices? To ofset this this book also states that only 450 tanks had been delivered by 12th October 1943 but by December this more like 18,000. I suggest we forget 200Gal tank used by the P-47 as it was unpressurised and leaked badly or only transfered fuel correctly below 20,000ft. I know that later models of the P-47 could carry up to three drop tanks so this may make it harder to program but its just an idea.

(3) Same as above but try to do the same for the P-39 75Gal Drop tank and the P-40 not sure of Drop tank size. Also repeat for axis forces where possible.

(4) In the pilot menu could we please be aloud to select which pilots can be assign to fly the next mission.

(5) Replace pilot pool much the same as in WITPAE.

1 - 14 Squadron transferred to Coastal Command in 1945, so that is the reason it is not in the OOB.

2+3 - Been to that fight with WitW. Not going to touch it.

4 - I like the idea but, isn't the game enough of a clickfest for you already? Simovich will have to speak to this issue for do-ability.

5 - Never played the game, so I have no idea what that is all about. In general, the team is happy with the situation as it is.
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I think an increase in the number of mission would be good. I'm always running up against the mission limit. Particularly in months where I only get 1-2 good bombing days a week.
Another thing I'd find really useful is numbers on replacement aircraft for the allies each day since it seems to change over time.

Mission number is something we have kicked around, but for now we're good.

Depending on the a/c, the production numbers do change. Check the editor for that.
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Ok Thank you for your reply. I do have one more idea i would like to put forward and its this. At the moment when a pilot is shot down over europe he is either killed, Missing (Pow). How about if he becomes a POW that there is a 1% chance that he can escape and return to your ranks. Ok with that i will call it a day.

Many thanks again team.

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Ok Thank you for your reply. I do have one more idea i would like to put forward and its this. At the moment when a pilot is shot down over europe he is either killed, Missing (Pow). How about if he becomes a POW that there is a 1% chance that he can escape and return to your ranks. Ok with that i will call it a day.

Many thanks again team.

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Will it be posible to have a only northern europe scenario and only italy scenarios for the grand campaing?
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The weather.
There are a few areas to look at
1) wind direction. Currently it is NW to SE. Prevailing winds in Europe are WSW to ENE. In winter and early spring occasionally North winds or east winds.
2) weather forecast. There is currently none. The allies put huge resources into this, they got good at it. Game has nothing.
3) Historically the weather in winter of 43 was much better than current campaign 43 allows. Maybe this could be looked at.
4) glitches! Sometimes if there is no aircraft flying the clouds reset. Gaps dissappear this plays havoc w mission planning. Seems to be a programming issue. Doesn't happen a lot but when it does it destroys gameplay.

I totally agree with this remark, the weather conditions are much too distorted compared to the reality of the time and it modifies much too much the historical aspect of this otherwise exceptional simulation.
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Just a small remark, would it be possible to make the "Artificial Intelligence" less artificial or more intelligent [&o] and stop launching raids on unrecognized targets [:@] while I spend my time doing reconnaissance on industrial targets !!!!!

February 1944 is a very difficult period for the Allies [:-]!
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Hello to all,

About "BTR", a small mistake concerning an airfield : "307 - FREJORGU - x,y 326-848" was called FREJORGUES (43,58° N/ 3,96°E) and was used by the Lufwaffe as an airfield for torpedo planes and then for some, very few, night fighters until the invasion of Provence.
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