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WarPlan Pacific is an operational level wargame which covers all the nations at war in the Pacific theatre from December 1941 to 1945 on a massive game scale.

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Hello, a few months ago I bought the game but I was disappointed to see that all the AI attacks were scripted. So even if you attack from another place, the AI had another objective.

This has changed? I am also surprised by how little movement the forum has, it seems that the game sells little and this makes me afraid that it will be abandoned

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Jusepe131 wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 10:32 am Hello, a few months ago I bought the game but I was disappointed to see that all the AI attacks were scripted. So even if you attack from another place, the AI had another objective.

This has changed? I am also surprised by how little movement the forum has, it seems that the game sells little and this makes me afraid that it will be abandoned

thank you
I can't say too much about the game's AI as I played against it briefly. Just enought to learn the games mechanics. I like playng against a thinking, plotting, scheming person. I've never seen a wargame AI that can replace a brain.

I will play against you if you want a human opponent.

Regarding the game being abandoned, from what I can see Alvaro Sousa is very engaged with the players of Warplan and wants to produce the highest quality wargame that he can. He's around here and on Steam daily I think.
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Yes I troll the forums daily.
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IF you only plan to play against the AI then I do not think this game will be for you.
AI is good for learning the game.

Honestly I have never in my 30+ years of computer games played an AI that was good once I learn the game.
War games just have far to many options for AI. Once you figure out their weakness, and all have them, they just have no chance.
Humans do crazy things that the AI won't or can't think of and that makes the game in my eyes.
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With all the AI talk recently, makes me wonder how much longer this will be true - that an AI in wargaming can't compete with a human. 5 years from now we'll be saying I only play the AI, it's much harder than playing a human. :D

Seriously, though, playing the AI in deep wargames like this or War in the East etc really doesn't work, it's much too easy. Great for learning the mechanics, pretty useless for actually playing the game.
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stjeand wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:50 pm IF you only plan to play against the AI then I do not think this game will be for you.
AI is good for learning the game.

Honestly I have never in my 30+ years of computer games played an AI that was good once I learn the game.
War games just have far to many options for AI. Once you figure out their weakness, and all have them, they just have no change.
Humans do crazy things that the AI won't or can't think of and that makes the game in my eyes.
I am going to quote and frame in a png file for whenever someone asks me if the A.I. is any good.
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MattFL wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 5:08 pm With all the AI talk recently, makes me wonder how much longer this will be true - that an AI in wargaming can't compete with a human. 5 years from now we'll be saying I only play the AI, it's much harder than playing a human. :D

Seriously, though, playing the AI in deep wargames like this or War in the East etc really doesn't work, it's much too easy. Great for learning the mechanics, pretty useless for actually playing the game.
Technically... it can do it now. But I would need access to a quantum computer version of Deep Mind and about 10 years.

It can play a game of go pretty quickly. Playing WarPlan would take forever.
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Jusepe131 wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 10:32 am Hello, a few months ago I bought the game but I was disappointed to see that all the AI attacks were scripted. So even if you attack from another place, the AI had another objective.

This has changed? I am also surprised by how little movement the forum has, it seems that the game sells little and this makes me afraid that it will be abandoned

thank you
I don't think this games going anywhere, it is one of the best supported ones out there Alvaro and experienced players are great at answering questions, there is a wp2 in the works and it has a devoted if smaller community
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Where is the Warplan 2 community. A forum somewhere?

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gwgardner wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 3:51 am Where is the Warplan 2 community. A forum somewhere?
There is a WarPlan 2 wish-list topic in the Warplan forum. Other than that I don't think there is anything official at the moment.

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I absolutely agree with the comments about playing the AI. I have a group of friends that I play games like War Plan and WP Pacific with as well as board wargames so it's also the social aspect. Plus there is always a lot discussion about tactics, strategy and turning points in the game. I won't buy a game unless it can be played multiplayer.
On a related subject, today is the 82nd anniversary of Pearl Harbor.
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That’s quite sometimes since I have played a game. My last one was with stjeand. And each time I am thinking of restarting one, I always remember the game mechanics that I don’t like. AI is not my main problem. There are few things that I have in mind but it won’t happen I think. This is more bug fixing now.
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