Red Tide Scenario 3 Feedback

[BDukes]

Excellent scenario. Lot of sea space to work with, decisions matter and brutal if you're wrong. Hamburg, Jan Van Whatever, Byrd, and Wielingen survived! Gave up on Norway land stuff quickly. Happy I sunk no whales as well! Scored an average which seems right.

SIDE: NATO
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LOSSES:
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4x F-16A Falcon
5x F-16B Falcon
3x F-4E Phantom II
12x F-5B Freedom Fighter
2x Lynx HAS.3
1x P-3B Orion
1x Radar (GLOBUS I [Creek Maid ELINT Station])
6x Radar (S-244 HF)
3x Radar (S-266)
1x Radar (S-600 Gapfiller)
4x Infantry Section [7.62mm MG/Unguided Infantry Anti Tank Weapon] [Cargo]
5x M48A5 Patton Main Battle Tank [Cargo]
8x NM-135 APC [M113A1] [Cargo]
3x RB 70 Rayrider Mk1 MANPADS [Cargo]
1x DDH 205 St. Laurent
1x F 300 Oslo [Dealey Mod]
1x F 88 Broadsword [Type 22 Batch 1]


EXPENDITURES:
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46x AIM-9L Sidewinder
11x 20mm/85 M61A1 Vulcan Burst [100 rnds]
5x AIM-9N Sidewinder
11x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
5x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
84x 20mm/80 Rhinemetall Mk20 Rh202 Burst [20 rnds]
40x 7.62mm MG Burst [20 rnds]
27x RB 70 Rayrider Mk1
216x 40mm/70 Single Bofors Burst [4 rnds, RSS-40 Skyguard FCR]
12x AGM-84D Harpoon IC
7x AGM-65B Maverick EO
8x AGM-84A Harpoon IP
20x RIM-66B SM-1MR Blk V
6x RIM-7H Sea Sparrow
4x RIM-7M Sea Sparrow
1x 100mm/55 Model 1968 PFHE
1x L5 Mod 4
6x AN/SSQ-47 Julie Active Range-Only
8x AN/SSQ-41B Jezebel LOFAR
2x RUR-5A Mod 4 ASROC RTT [Mk46 Mod 5]
2x Mk46 LWT Mod 2
16x AIM-7M Sparrow III
31x AN/SSQ-62B DICASS
23x AN/SSQ-53B DIFAR
28x AN/SSQ-77A VLAD



SIDE: Soviet Union
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LOSSES:
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1x Ka-25BSh Hormone A
1x Ka-27PL Helix A
8x MiG-23P Flogger G
7x Su-24M Fencer D
1x Su-27S Flanker B
11x Tu-16K-26PM Badger G Mod
2x Tu-16P Badger J
2x Tu-16P Badger L
1x Tu-16RM-1/2 Badger D
2x 7.62mm MG [Cargo]
1x 81mm Mortar [Cargo]
1x Forward Observer + Sensor Tripod (Generic Laser Designator) [Cargo]
6x Infantry Section [7.62mm MG/Unguided Infantry Anti Tank Weapon] [Cargo]
1x Spetsnaz Saboteur [Cargo]
1x BPK Kanin [Pr.57A Gnevny]
1x BPK Kashin Mod [Pr.61M]
1x EM Kotlin SAM [Pr.56K Spokoinyy]
1x PL-641B Tango [Som]
1x PLA-671RTM Victor III [Shchuka]


EXPENDITURES:
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4x AA-7 Apex D [R-24T, IR]
15x AA-7 Apex C [R-24R, SARH]
12x AA-8 Aphid [R-60M]
56x 81mm HE Mortar
12x High Explosives
8x SS-21a Scarab [9M79F, 50 x Dual Purpose]
9x AA-10 Alamo A [R-27R, MR TSARH]
24x Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]
12x BetAB-500SP CB [12 x Anti-Runway Penetrator Bomblets]
12x 23mm Gsh-6-23 [50 rnds]
152x FAB-100M-62 GPB
28x 100mm AP
10x SA-N-1b Goa [M-1M/P Volna-M/P, 4K91 / V-601]
12x AK-726 76mm/60 Twin HE Burst [2 rnds]
12x AK-630 30mm/65 Gatling Burst [400 rnds]
2x 130mm/58 Twin HE Burst [2 rnds]
2x PK-2 Chaff [TSP-47]
38x AK-230 30mm/65 Twin Burst [50 rnds]
4x 45mm/85 Quad Burst [8 rnds]
30x SA-N-7 Gadfly [9M38]
6x AK-130 130mm/54 Twin Frag Burst [2 rnds]
6x AK-630M 30mm/65 Gatling Burst [400 rnds]
4x AK-100 100mm/70 Frag
4x SS-23 Spider [9M714K, Submunitions]
4x SS-23 Spider [9M714K, Submunitions] RV
8x AS-6 Kingfish A Mod 3 [KSR-5M, ASM]
14x Generic Flare Salvo [4x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
11x 23mm AM-23 x 2 Burst [50 rnds]
3x 23mm AM-23 x 2 Burst [50 rnds]
4x 65-76 Kit WH
10x 53-65K WH
5x Generic Flare Salvo [2x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
2x Generic Acoustic Decoy
2x AS-6 Kingfish B Mod 3 [KSR-5MP, ARM]
40x FAB-500M-62 GPB
14x 57mm/81 ZIF-75 Quad DP Burst [6 rnds]



SIDE: Biological
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LOSSES:
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SIDE: Neutral Shipping
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[BDukes]

Anybody muck with the more powerful Soviet force much?

I gave it one good go with Orion's shooting from two directions but got nada. Good ship combo there in terms of defense!

Mike

[AndrewJ]

Yes, you can sink that group with a concentrated attack, if you want to dedicate the majority of your P-3s to it, but it's going to take the bulk of your missiles to do it. The best SAM in that group has a roughly 30% chance to hit the incoming sea-skimmers (less in the terminal pop-up) so you can saturate them if all the missiles arrive at once, and you arrange it so that any leftovers from one ship are on course to hit the second ship. If you've got the bulk of your P-3s hunting subs, or you've used up a lot of your missiles on the other task group, then you may not have enough to do the job. The ships are radar-on and alert, so attempts to sneak in the missiles with a close-activation BOL attack won't work. They'll be engaging the moment your missiles clear the horizon.

[BDukes]

ORIGINAL: AndrewJ

Yes, you can sink that group with a concentrated attack, if you want to dedicate the majority of your P-3s to it, but it's going to take the bulk of your missiles to do it. The best SAM in that group has a roughly 30% chance to hit the incoming sea-skimmers (less in the terminal pop-up) so you can saturate them if all the missiles arrive at once, and you arrange it so that any leftovers from one ship are on course to hit the second ship. If you've got the bulk of your P-3s hunting subs, or you've used up a lot of your missiles on the other task group, then you may not have enough to do the job. The ships are radar-on and alert, so attempts to sneak in the missiles with a close-activation BOL attack won't work. They'll be engaging the moment your missiles clear the horizon.

Thanks Andrew. I thought it was great fun! Still like great problems to solve. Looking at the log it was the short-range defenses that chopped many of the missiles down (fired 12). I will look at a bigger attack next play-through.

Mike

[HalfLifeExpert]

It was a bit of a fight for me. I lost two of the 4 TUs of STANAVFORLANT, but succeeded in sinking the two soviet surface forces and bagging some submarines.

I elected to order the TU with the tanker toward Western Iceland Via the Denmark Strait.

[schweggy]

Brief AAR:
STANAVORLANT's TU's are rerouted to a more NE orientation. (TU603.01.03 appeared to be on course to the equator)

Banak becomes a major distraction from the mission as Soviet forces begin to flood into Norway. Early attempts to stem the flow of attack aircraft and armor is abandoned. Instead, a narrow anti-ground mission is setup for all Norwegian armor and ground units. They will be decimated in the end.

Attention returns to the mission at hand. Two Soviet KUG's have been sighted and identified. Intel suggests multiple submarines will also be in the AO. Word from Banak is grim. Multiple F-5's have been taken down and the base's F-16 contingent is down to 2 aircraft after multiple run-ins with with radar equipped MiG-23's. Harpoon armed P-3's from both NAS Keflavik and Andoya sortie to lay down sonobouys and hunt for the Soviet KUG's. TU 603.01.01 with the help from P-3's ID's a possible SS nearby. Soon, a call goes up that Tu-16's are appearing west of Norway on course for Iceland. Multiple flights of F-4's take off on intercept with tankers in tow. Later, Adnoya reports multiple Su-24's inbound and the remaining F-16's at Bodo launch to stem the flow.

Over the next 8 hours attacks are conducted on the two Soviet KUG's with one being successful. 4 Soviet submarines are identified and sunk by TU's or P-3's. A Badger strike early on is able to sink DDH 205 St. Laurent with a single missile strike while later a second strike is able to get F 300 Oslo. No further attacks are successful. Andoya survives. Bodo survives.

The land war in Norway did not go well. The majority of Norwegian forces were destroyed or overrun. The battle at sea however was favorable for NATO. Barely.

Score: 300 (Average)

SIDE: NATO
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LOSSES:
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12x 155mm/20 M114 Mod Towed Howitzer [Cargo]
1x 40mm/70 Single Bofors [RSS-40 Skyguard FCR] [Cargo]
1x CH-124A Heltas [Sea King]
1x DDH 205 St. Laurent
1x F 300 Oslo [Dealey Mod]
10x F-16A Falcon
6x F-16B Falcon
2x F-4E Phantom II
12x F-5B Freedom Fighter
8x Infantry Section [7.62mm MG/Unguided Infantry Anti Tank Weapon] [Cargo]
15x M48A5 Patton Main Battle Tank [Cargo]
16x NM-135 APC [M113A1] [Cargo]
6x Radar (S-244 HF)
3x Radar (S-266)
1x Radar (S-600 Gapfiller)
6x RB 70 Rayrider Mk1 MANPADS [Cargo]
24x TOW [Cargo]


EXPENDITURES:
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12x 100mm/55 METL 53 PFHE
96x 105mm M68A1 APFSDS-T
15x 12.7mm/50 MG Burst [10 rnds]
342x 155mm/20 HE
1x 20mm M39 x 2 Burst [80 rnds]
180x 20mm/80 Rhinemetall Mk20 Rh202 Burst [20 rnds]
29x 20mm/85 M61A1 Vulcan Burst [100 rnds]
6x 40mm/70 Twin Breda Burst [8 rnds]
80x 7.62mm MG Burst [20 rnds]
6x AGM-65B Maverick EO
12x AGM-84A Harpoon IP
8x AGM-84D Harpoon IC
33x AIM-7M Sparrow III
67x AIM-9L Sidewinder
14x AIM-9N Sidewinder
153x AN/SSQ-41B Jezebel LOFAR
80x AN/SSQ-47 Julie Active Range-Only
82x AN/SSQ-53B DIFAR
77x AN/SSQ-62B DICASS
86x AN/SSQ-77A VLAD
17x BGM-71A TOW
3x GBU-10E/B Paveway II LGB [Mk84]
33x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
5x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
6x Mk20 Rockeye II CB [247 x Mk118 Dual Purpose Bomblets]
1x Mk46 LWT Mod 2
4x Mk46 NEARTIP Mod 5
4x Mk82 500lb LDGP
46x RB 70 Rayrider Mk1
5x SSQ-947 Julie Active Range-Only [AN/SSQ-47]



SIDE: Soviet Union
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LOSSES:
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2x 23mm ZSU-23-4 Shilka [Cargo]
16x 57mm ZSU-57-2 [Cargo]
2x 7.62mm MG [Cargo]
1x 81mm Mortar [Cargo]
30x BMP-1 [AT-3 Sagger B] IFV [Cargo]
1x BPK Kanin [Pr.57A Gnevny]
1x BPK Kashin Mod [Pr.61M]
1x EM Kotlin SAM [Pr.56K Spokoinyy]
1x Forward Observer + Sensor Tripod (Generic Laser Designator) [Cargo]
6x Infantry Section [7.62mm MG/Unguided Infantry Anti Tank Weapon] [Cargo]
1x Ka-25BSh Hormone A
2x Ka-27PL Helix A
2x MiG-23P Flogger G
1x PL-613V Whiskey V
1x PL-641 Foxtrot
1x PL-641B Tango [Som]
1x PLA-671 Victor I [Yorsh]
1x Spetsnaz Saboteur [Cargo]
13x Su-24M Fencer D
3x Su-27S Flanker B
36x T-54 Main Battle Tank [Cargo]
21x Tu-16K-26PM Badger G Mod
2x Tu-16P Badger J
3x Tu-16P Badger L
3x Tu-16RM-1/2 Badger D


EXPENDITURES:
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197x 100mm AP
20x 100mm HE
6x 100mm HEAT
11x 12.7mm/50 MG Burst [10 rnds]
1x 130mm/58 Twin HE Burst [2 rnds]
41x 23mm AM-23 x 2 Burst [50 rnds]
27x 23mm AM-23 x 2 Burst [50 rnds]
1x 23mm Gsh-23L Burst [40 rnds]
4x 23mm Gsh-6-23 [50 rnds]
2x 30mm Gsh-30-1 Burst [30 rnds]
2x 53-65K WH
728x 57mm ZSU-57 HE
16x 57mm/81 ZIF-75 Quad DP Burst [6 rnds]
45x 7.62mm MG Burst [20 rnds]
650x 73mm 2A28 Grom HE
51x AA-10 Alamo A [R-27R, MR TSARH]
9x AA-11 Archer [R-73]
19x AA-7 Apex C [R-24R, SARH]
3x AA-7 Apex D [R-24T, IR]
10x AA-8 Aphid [R-60M]
20x AK-230 30mm/65 Twin Burst [50 rnds]
8x AK-630 30mm/65 Gatling Burst [400 rnds]
5x AS-6 Kingfish B Mod 3 [KSR-5MP, ARM]
11x AT-3 Sagger B [9M14M Malyutka]
6x BetAB-500SP CB [12 x Anti-Runway Penetrator Bomblets]
40x FAB-500M-62 GPB
2x Generic Acoustic Decoy
41x Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]
12x Generic Flare Salvo [2x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
21x Generic Flare Salvo [4x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
6x High Explosives
14x SA-N-1b Goa [M-1M/P Volna-M/P, 4K91 / V-601]
30x SA-N-7 Gadfly [9M38]
8x SS-21a Scarab [9M79F, 50 x Dual Purpose]
4x SS-23 Spider [9M714K, Submunitions]
4x SS-23 Spider [9M714K, Submunitions] RV



SIDE: Biological
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SIDE: Neutral Shipping
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