Russkoe for the Landseers. '41 Campaign tyronec (Axis) vs Bitburger.
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Russkoe for the Landseers. '41 Campaign tyronec (Axis) vs Bitburger.
House rules:
No temporary motorisation.
No para drops.
No Amphib invasions.
Maximum of 5 Airborne Divisions for the Soviets.
No massed small mission GA/NP ADs.
TB control is OFF.
Am just going to do a report every few turns in ‘41 and hopefully go more frequent once we get into ‘42.
AAR is running a few turns behind.
Turn 5.
AGN. The Soviets have mostly been pulling back to avoid pockets, approaching Lenningrad but am somewhat short of infantry support. AGC. PG3 are pushing past Smolensk.
PG2 are up to Bryansk.
Again, no pockets after T1.
AGS. Have just got Kiev surrounded but very little in the pocket.
In the South am up to Kherson and also across the river. Nikolaev and Odessa were taken last turn with minimal garrisons.
Again, Soviets largely pulling back to avoid being pocketed. Overall there has been not a lot of combat as my infantry have not been able to get into much combat yet. This is the retreat strategy in action for the early turns, no idea where they are going to stand or if I will be able to get the VPs for a sudden death in ‘41.
I have probably left a few more holes in the front line than is safe but the indications are that the Soviets are not set up to exploit them so am hoping it is worth the risk for now. Should get things more secure in a couple of turns.
No temporary motorisation.
No para drops.
No Amphib invasions.
Maximum of 5 Airborne Divisions for the Soviets.
No massed small mission GA/NP ADs.
TB control is OFF.
Am just going to do a report every few turns in ‘41 and hopefully go more frequent once we get into ‘42.
AAR is running a few turns behind.
Turn 5.
AGN. The Soviets have mostly been pulling back to avoid pockets, approaching Lenningrad but am somewhat short of infantry support. AGC. PG3 are pushing past Smolensk.
PG2 are up to Bryansk.
Again, no pockets after T1.
AGS. Have just got Kiev surrounded but very little in the pocket.
In the South am up to Kherson and also across the river. Nikolaev and Odessa were taken last turn with minimal garrisons.
Again, Soviets largely pulling back to avoid being pocketed. Overall there has been not a lot of combat as my infantry have not been able to get into much combat yet. This is the retreat strategy in action for the early turns, no idea where they are going to stand or if I will be able to get the VPs for a sudden death in ‘41.
I have probably left a few more holes in the front line than is safe but the indications are that the Soviets are not set up to exploit them so am hoping it is worth the risk for now. Should get things more secure in a couple of turns.
Last edited by tyronec on Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:10 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Russkoe for the Landseers. '41 Campaign tyronec (Axis) vs Bitburger.
Losses are at the start of T6.
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Re: Russkoe for the Landseers. '41 Campaign tyronec (Axis) vs Bitburger.
There are surprisingly few Soviet forces defending Leningrad considering that the south has been largely abandoned.
Also, is that the correct image for AGC? The file says T8.
Also, is that the correct image for AGC? The file says T8.
Re: Russkoe for the Landseers. '41 Campaign tyronec (Axis) vs Bitburger.
AGC corrected - thanks !There are surprisingly few Soviet forces defending Leningrad considering that the south has been largely abandoned.
Also, is that the correct image for AGC? The file says T8.
Defences around Lenningrad started thickening up after this turn. Ths Soviets were thin on the ground early campaign, I think a lot of them were sent to the Reserve.
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Re: Russkoe for the Landseers. '41 Campaign tyronec (Axis) vs Bitburger.
No amfib landings sound like a big a is buff but maybe no tb and no temp moto will balance it out?
Regards Mr Drew Edmond Bennett.
Regards Mr Drew Edmond Bennett.
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Re: Russkoe for the Landseers. '41 Campaign tyronec (Axis) vs Bitburger.
Amphib, paradrop and temp mot are in my opinion all open to exploit, another way to deal with them is to moderate with house rules as other players have done.No amfib landings sound like a big a is buff but maybe no tb and no temp moto will balance it out?
Regards Mr Drew Edmond Bennett.
TB control adds a lot of admin to the game, and to what advantage - both sides get a few extra/better units which I think may help Axis more but am not sure. People are playing HvH games both with and without it, I kinda think it would be better if everyone did just one or the other and then there would be a better feel of where the play balance lies but that is not going to happen now.
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Enough of Stalin, Freedom for the Ukraine !
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Re: Russkoe for the Landseers. '41 Campaign tyronec (Axis) vs Bitburger.
My 2c are that TB control benefits Axis much more.
Not only it allows to pull 2 additional RAD units. But also transport planes that do not add any value in TBs.
And most importantly - Axis player can send panzers to the WE and pull infantry before a winter. It makes huge difference.
Not only it allows to pull 2 additional RAD units. But also transport planes that do not add any value in TBs.
And most importantly - Axis player can send panzers to the WE and pull infantry before a winter. It makes huge difference.
Слава Україні!
Glory to Ukraine!
Glory to Ukraine!
T8
AGN. Have got up to Lenningrad but doubt if I have enough troops to seal off the city.
AGC. Heavy battles over the last few turns, no pockets but continuing to make steady progress.
AGS. Up to D’town and just across the river. Have broken through the first hex to the Crimea.
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Soars high above the clouds;
Meanwhile, the nightingale intones
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Enough of Stalin, Freedom for the Ukraine !
Soars high above the clouds;
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With sweet, mellifluous sounds.
Enough of Stalin, Freedom for the Ukraine !
Re: Russkoe for the Landseers. '41 Campaign tyronec (Axis) vs Bitburger.
Pocketed just a few units over the past three turns and as a result the Soviet OOB is beginning to grow, however am well in advance of historical progress.
VVS were active the previous two turns and shot down a lot of aircraft during GS. Luftwaffe bombers have not been committed yet, am fairly short of supplies at the front line with the FBDs not caught up yet.
VVS were active the previous two turns and shot down a lot of aircraft during GS. Luftwaffe bombers have not been committed yet, am fairly short of supplies at the front line with the FBDs not caught up yet.
The lark, signing its chirping hymn,
Soars high above the clouds;
Meanwhile, the nightingale intones
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Enough of Stalin, Freedom for the Ukraine !
Soars high above the clouds;
Meanwhile, the nightingale intones
With sweet, mellifluous sounds.
Enough of Stalin, Freedom for the Ukraine !
Re: Russkoe for the Landseers. '41 Campaign tyronec (Axis) vs Bitburger.
Always impressed by the way you manage AGC.
Are you willing to take Moskow ? or at least isolate the NSS ?
It seems your Mot. Troops are only 7-8 hexes away from Moscow suburbs at T8.
And the other PG is reaching Tula soon.
How is the supply situation there ? Your FBD must be quite behind at the moment.
On the southern front, you seem to aim for Crimea more than the eastern steppes, or is it just the current position of the Pz after some action ?
With 3.1 M onMap, your opponent must be digging somewhere. With the exception of Leningrad, we don't see much Soviet on the front line.
Air War
According to Air losses, you seem to use intensively air tranport to deliver some supplies to the spearheads.
Do you use long range recco to locate the Soviet digging parties ? On the screenshots, we do not see much further than 2 hexes from the front line? Or you just don't really care and move forward ?
You have almost no LB losses, you don't use them at all ? no GS neither GA ?
That is a wall of questions
Are you willing to take Moskow ? or at least isolate the NSS ?
It seems your Mot. Troops are only 7-8 hexes away from Moscow suburbs at T8.
And the other PG is reaching Tula soon.
How is the supply situation there ? Your FBD must be quite behind at the moment.
On the southern front, you seem to aim for Crimea more than the eastern steppes, or is it just the current position of the Pz after some action ?
With 3.1 M onMap, your opponent must be digging somewhere. With the exception of Leningrad, we don't see much Soviet on the front line.
Air War
According to Air losses, you seem to use intensively air tranport to deliver some supplies to the spearheads.
Do you use long range recco to locate the Soviet digging parties ? On the screenshots, we do not see much further than 2 hexes from the front line? Or you just don't really care and move forward ?
You have almost no LB losses, you don't use them at all ? no GS neither GA ?
That is a wall of questions
Re: Russkoe for the Landseers. '41 Campaign tyronec (Axis) vs Bitburger.
I will try for Moscow, the aim is to pocket it before the mud but I may not be able to manage that. Wasn't really aiming for that when the game started but could just be possible now.
Supply is OK, the FBDs are not too far behind. I have not been using any Luftwaffe bombers up till now but will begin to deploy them towards Lenningrad where there is beginning to be a surplus of supplies.
From AGS there are two Panzer Corps heading towards Rostov and one for the Crimea. Ideally would hope to take both before the winter.
For air transports I don't have enough supplies within range to supply most of the front line, there is something of a supply desert anywhere near the front when I get my move back, so it is a case of using the transports wherever possible. That has mostly been from the ports supplying up towards Lenningrad.
No GS or GA to date, apart from T1. If you use the bombers there will be less supplies for the Panzers. Once the lines consolidate and if there are supplies available will move the Luftwaffe bombers forwards.
I move fighters forwards every turn as far as possible and am doing a moderate level of Recon.
Supply is OK, the FBDs are not too far behind. I have not been using any Luftwaffe bombers up till now but will begin to deploy them towards Lenningrad where there is beginning to be a surplus of supplies.
From AGS there are two Panzer Corps heading towards Rostov and one for the Crimea. Ideally would hope to take both before the winter.
For air transports I don't have enough supplies within range to supply most of the front line, there is something of a supply desert anywhere near the front when I get my move back, so it is a case of using the transports wherever possible. That has mostly been from the ports supplying up towards Lenningrad.
No GS or GA to date, apart from T1. If you use the bombers there will be less supplies for the Panzers. Once the lines consolidate and if there are supplies available will move the Luftwaffe bombers forwards.
I move fighters forwards every turn as far as possible and am doing a moderate level of Recon.
The lark, signing its chirping hymn,
Soars high above the clouds;
Meanwhile, the nightingale intones
With sweet, mellifluous sounds.
Enough of Stalin, Freedom for the Ukraine !
Soars high above the clouds;
Meanwhile, the nightingale intones
With sweet, mellifluous sounds.
Enough of Stalin, Freedom for the Ukraine !
T11
T11
AGN. Have more or less ground to a halt, just taking the occasional one hex. Not enough units to make progress.
AGC. Almost up to Moscow. To take it in ‘41 Axis need to seal the pocket before mud arrives. AGS. Stalino and Kharkov taken this turn.
Crimea. Soviets have massed a lot of defenders, probably am going to struggle to take it without sending more troops to assist.
AGN. Have more or less ground to a halt, just taking the occasional one hex. Not enough units to make progress.
AGC. Almost up to Moscow. To take it in ‘41 Axis need to seal the pocket before mud arrives. AGS. Stalino and Kharkov taken this turn.
Crimea. Soviets have massed a lot of defenders, probably am going to struggle to take it without sending more troops to assist.
The lark, signing its chirping hymn,
Soars high above the clouds;
Meanwhile, the nightingale intones
With sweet, mellifluous sounds.
Enough of Stalin, Freedom for the Ukraine !
Soars high above the clouds;
Meanwhile, the nightingale intones
With sweet, mellifluous sounds.
Enough of Stalin, Freedom for the Ukraine !
Re: Russkoe for the Landseers. '41 Campaign tyronec (Axis) vs Bitburger.
Have had a few pockets recent turns and holding the Soviets below 3M. The VVS have been quite active and well battered as a result.
The lark, signing its chirping hymn,
Soars high above the clouds;
Meanwhile, the nightingale intones
With sweet, mellifluous sounds.
Enough of Stalin, Freedom for the Ukraine !
Soars high above the clouds;
Meanwhile, the nightingale intones
With sweet, mellifluous sounds.
Enough of Stalin, Freedom for the Ukraine !
Re: Russkoe for the Landseers. '41 Campaign tyronec (Axis) vs Bitburger.
Moscow only 1 hex away by Turn 11, how is the weather looking for next turn.
Looks like its possible to take Rostov very soon also.
Do you think you can get a auto victory in 1941 ?
Looks like its possible to take Rostov very soon also.
Do you think you can get a auto victory in 1941 ?
Re: Russkoe for the Landseers. '41 Campaign tyronec (Axis) vs Bitburger.
It is a possibility but hard to tell how likely.
I have always found it odd that if you miss T16 then the next test is well into '42 so no surrender after a successful Typhoon.
AAR is running a few turns behind, I cant remember the weather but was fairly normal - some light mud but not too much.
I have always found it odd that if you miss T16 then the next test is well into '42 so no surrender after a successful Typhoon.
AAR is running a few turns behind, I cant remember the weather but was fairly normal - some light mud but not too much.
The lark, signing its chirping hymn,
Soars high above the clouds;
Meanwhile, the nightingale intones
With sweet, mellifluous sounds.
Enough of Stalin, Freedom for the Ukraine !
Soars high above the clouds;
Meanwhile, the nightingale intones
With sweet, mellifluous sounds.
Enough of Stalin, Freedom for the Ukraine !
Re: Russkoe for the Landseers. '41 Campaign tyronec (Axis) vs Bitburger.
There is the Jan 42 test but you should be < HWM for that one, pretty much regardless.
Even by your standards, this is exceptional stuff, really impressive. I may have been lucky in my last 2 games but I'm coming to regard the winter as an annoying pause rather than of any strategic value, so even if lose a few VP they are there for the retaking come Spring 42. I'd be really surprised if you can't wrap this up by the Summer of 42 at the latest
Even by your standards, this is exceptional stuff, really impressive. I may have been lucky in my last 2 games but I'm coming to regard the winter as an annoying pause rather than of any strategic value, so even if lose a few VP they are there for the retaking come Spring 42. I'd be really surprised if you can't wrap this up by the Summer of 42 at the latest
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T14.
Bitburger just resigned. I think that is fair enough, Axis were going to get the first VP check in '42 if Moscow was not taken on T16.
I have been a bit surprised by this game, don't think Bitburger did much wrong and yet am making good progress and the Soviet army has not been building strength. Guess maybe the engine has changed somewhat since I last played up to this far. Will see how my other two games go but playing Soviets vs Rosencrantus am getting crushed.
AGN. Just taken another hex or two each turn. AGC. Have got Moscow pocketed this turn, don’t think they will be able to break it but if so should be secure next turn.
Am on 620 VPs so Moscow + Rostov would do it but not sure if I can take Moscow in two turns. AGS. Should pocket Rostov next turn and take it on T16. Might get Sevastapol pocketed by T16 but unlikely to take it. Manpower. Soviets hovering around 3M which I think is not enough at this stage of the game.
Bitburger just resigned. I think that is fair enough, Axis were going to get the first VP check in '42 if Moscow was not taken on T16.
I have been a bit surprised by this game, don't think Bitburger did much wrong and yet am making good progress and the Soviet army has not been building strength. Guess maybe the engine has changed somewhat since I last played up to this far. Will see how my other two games go but playing Soviets vs Rosencrantus am getting crushed.
AGN. Just taken another hex or two each turn. AGC. Have got Moscow pocketed this turn, don’t think they will be able to break it but if so should be secure next turn.
Am on 620 VPs so Moscow + Rostov would do it but not sure if I can take Moscow in two turns. AGS. Should pocket Rostov next turn and take it on T16. Might get Sevastapol pocketed by T16 but unlikely to take it. Manpower. Soviets hovering around 3M which I think is not enough at this stage of the game.
The lark, signing its chirping hymn,
Soars high above the clouds;
Meanwhile, the nightingale intones
With sweet, mellifluous sounds.
Enough of Stalin, Freedom for the Ukraine !
Soars high above the clouds;
Meanwhile, the nightingale intones
With sweet, mellifluous sounds.
Enough of Stalin, Freedom for the Ukraine !
Re: Russkoe for the Landseers. '41 Campaign tyronec (Axis) vs Bitburger.
I think the combination of changes are substantial in terms of the impact on Axis operational tempo. You've seen the data in the tester's forum that suggests Axis tank losses across 1941 are down about 50% (60% to the end of winter), add on lower losses for a failed city attack and a few other bits and pieces and it all adds up
still really well done
still really well done
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Re: End
We are on turn 11 now and I'm nowhere close to Moscow as you were .tyronec wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 2:39 pm T14.
Bitburger just resigned. I think that is fair enough, Axis were going to get the first VP check in '42 if Moscow was not taken on T16.
I have been a bit surprised by this game, don't think Bitburger did much wrong and yet am making good progress and the Soviet army has not been building strength. Guess maybe the engine has changed somewhat since I last played up to this far. Will see how my other two games go but playing Soviets vs Rosencrantus am getting crushed.
I'm not too sure about how I feel about tank losses right now. At the end of T10 I'm at around 1050 losses and historically the Germans lost almost 3000 by the start of December. Perhaps the mud season and the increased intensity of the fighting now as units are now lining up across the front will increase them. We will see.