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Air Transport LCU Dissappeared v1.604 - 10/11/2005 2:25:44 AM   
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Air transported both the 1st and 2nd Parachute Regiments. Took several days. But when completed, the 1st ir regiment has completely left the game. Not at any base, nore in the listing of LCU's. Gonzo ! This has got to be a known bug ?
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RE: Air Transport LCU Dissappeared v1.604 - 10/11/2005 3:13:23 AM   
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This bug has been known for quite some time. I think it's one of those bugs that Matrix so far has deliberately refused to fix because they don't want to expend the effort needed to do so.

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RE: Air Transport LCU Dissappeared v1.604 - 10/11/2005 8:01:11 AM   
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When the posting came out about changes in 1.604 and proposed changes for 1.7 I did not see anything about this problem, which is very friggin' annoying! I even asked if it was going to be addressed and never got a response. Until something is done, and I'm not holding my breath that anything will, I will only be using my transport aircraft to move supplies and my airborne units will become ground bound, which is a waste.

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RE: Air Transport LCU Dissappeared v1.604 - 10/11/2005 9:38:03 AM   
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Guys
I have been asking for a save of this about 20 hours ago.
If I don't get one, I can't send to Mike.

Michael

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RE: Air Transport LCU Dissappeared v1.604 - 10/11/2005 4:05:29 PM   
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It is a well-known bug that is quite easy to work around. The key is getting the fragment that you have already transported to become the main part of the unit. This is achieved by interrupting the air transport of the unit for one turn, after more than 50% of the load value of the unit has been transported to the new location. Once the transported fragment has turned into the main part of the unit, you can resume air transport without fear of the bug striking.

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I think it's one of those bugs that Matrix so far has deliberately refused to fix because they don't want to expend the effort needed to do so.


Yes, it would be nicer if you didn't have to do this. This bug is well known and thoroughly documented, as is the very simple work-around I have outlined. Matrix has been very good about tracking down bugs and squashing them. If it was a simple fix it would have been done long ago. But I suspect it would take a major rewrite to root out this one.


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RE: Air Transport LCU Dissappeared v1.604 - 10/11/2005 5:45:42 PM   
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quote:

It is a well-known bug that is quite easy to work around. The key is getting the fragment that you have already transported to become the main part of the unit. This is achieved by interrupting the air transport of the unit for one turn, after more than 50% of the load value of the unit has been transported to the new location. Once the transported fragment has turned into the main part of the unit, you can resume air transport without fear of the bug striking.


If only it were so simple!!

I have units that keep switching back and forth between fragment and parent, for no discernable reason. In the most recent example, i was trying to evac Asiastic fleet from Borneo and there were 300+ support squads in Darwin, and some in Borneo. One turn, the Borneo fragment would be a fragment, and then the next 5 or six turns it would turn into the parent, then turn into the fragment again, then the parent, and then the fragment. I lost a couple of units this way because i thought i was safe to transport them after they turned into fragments and then they disappeared (apparently after they turned back into parent when i wasn't paying strict attention).

This disappearance caused me to implement rather drastic measures in trying to evac or move LCUs, and consequently i've discovered all kinds of irregularities occuring in the process. This also causes it to be a huge time sink!!


One other irregularity i've found that occurs with regularity is that the last few squads to get transported will end up being mortars or mg squads, with negligible load costs, but they will NOT get transported unless there are more units around. I.e. - transport a unit by air from say Manilla to Jesselton (replacements off) - get the ENTIRE unit to Jesselton, but then the MGs (or mortar) squad sit around no matter how many AC are assigned to transfer them. Very frustrating to keep trying to move these guys without results.

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RE: Air Transport LCU Dissappeared v1.604 - 10/11/2005 6:06:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelm

Guys
I have been asking for a save of this about 20 hours ago.
If I don't get one, I can't send to Mike.

Michael



Do you still need one?? If so, do you need the PW (or do you have Frag's "don't need no stinking password" tools?)

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RE: Air Transport LCU Dissappeared v1.604 - 10/12/2005 4:22:52 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
If only it were so simple!!

I have units that keep switching back and forth between fragment and parent, for no discernable reason.

Yes! I have seen this repeatedly! To the point where I am afraid to use air trans any more.

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RE: Air Transport LCU Dissappeared v1.604 - 10/12/2005 7:31:26 AM   
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I agree with rtrapasso, if it were only that simple. I had previously posted a thread about how I lost a LCU (a marine defense force) after I moved the vast majority of it by AKs from one island to another and the remainder by air transport. I didn't do it all in one turn or in consecutive turns either. I had to fly the fragment unit (which was less than 100 support troops) to another island using C-47s and then fly it to the island its parent unit was on using PBYs. I saw the message saying the unit was regrouping and then two turns later the unit was no where to be found.

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RE: Air Transport LCU Dissappeared v1.604 - 10/12/2005 12:28:19 PM   
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Hi

if you have one, send to (michaelm75@hotmail.com)
And I do need the passwords.
I ain't as clever as Mr.Frag.

Michael
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ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelm

Guys
I have been asking for a save of this about 20 hours ago.
If I don't get one, I can't send to Mike.

Michael



Do you still need one?? If so, do you need the PW (or do you have Frag's "don't need no stinking password" tools?)


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RE: Air Transport LCU Dissappeared v1.604 - 10/13/2005 12:34:02 PM   
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Have you sent me one yet??
Michael

quote:

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso


Do you still need one?? If so, do you need the PW (or do you have Frag's "don't need no stinking password" tools?)


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RE: Air Transport LCU Dissappeared v1.604 - 10/13/2005 5:34:15 PM   
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Sorry - i haven't sent it yet (i wasn't sure you still needed one).

Unless you tell me otherwise, will send one this PM (at work now).

Also, do you need a PW (or do you have the Dev's toolkit)???

EDIT:

Sorry - i had missed your prior post (which is why i repeated myself).

Will send one (or two - one is a real doozy) with PWs tonight.

< Message edited by rtrapasso -- 10/13/2005 5:37:18 PM >

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RE: Air Transport LCU Dissappeared v1.604 - 10/13/2005 9:53:00 PM   
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Michaelm:

in sending the game turn, i assume you want the turn with saved after "end turn" button pressed (not before). Let me know if otherwise.

Almost to the end of work day - a couple of hours to go!!

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