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RE: When? - 10/6/2013 12:30:28 AM   
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Is there a place I can spend my hard-earned cash to order this game yet?

On the subject of pricing, I'll pay whatever it costs and damn the consequences with my beautiful and ever-understanding wife. However, should the price be less than I'm expecting to pay, I'll be looking for a way to donate the difference to Steve.

He can keep the cash or donate it to a charity of his choice, I don't care, but that man is a lesson to us all in perseverance and determination and he deserves to be paid far more than he'll ever make out of this project. I'm quite certain there is a place already reserved for him in Wargame Elysium, where he will sit at the feet of Donald Featherstone and Charles Roberts. Well, perhaps a little further away because computer wargaming is still viewed with suspicion 'up there'.

Anyhoop, so where can I pay for this thing?

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RE: When? - 10/6/2013 3:07:13 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: HenrytheSecond

Is there a place I can spend my hard-earned cash to order this game yet?

On the subject of pricing, I'll pay whatever it costs and damn the consequences with my beautiful and ever-understanding wife. However, should the price be less than I'm expecting to pay, I'll be looking for a way to donate the difference to Steve.

He can keep the cash or donate it to a charity of his choice, I don't care, but that man is a lesson to us all in perseverance and determination and he deserves to be paid far more than he'll ever make out of this project. I'm quite certain there is a place already reserved for him in Wargame Elysium, where he will sit at the feet of Donald Featherstone and Charles Roberts. Well, perhaps a little further away because computer wargaming is still viewed with suspicion 'up there'.

Anyhoop, so where can I pay for this thing?



the official release date for MWIF is November 7th.

so 30 days

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RE: When? - 10/6/2013 10:36:18 AM   
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I agree with HenrytheSecond that this project deserves all of our support. First of all Steve, with his outstanding commitment. Matrix Games and all the rest of people involved in the development too.

But I'd like to thank as well to all the betatesters, forums users, fans... who have been involved in this project for so long, and that are going to make this project possible.

Wargamers are not such a big community of users (compared with other computer games or just with other games), so it is us who makes projects like this to happen as well. Without us and our support, it wouldn't be worthy to invest time & money to make something like WiF (or any wargame beyond Risk).

I know my money will be well invested here. For two reasons:
- What I get, and the time of fun if will get from it.
- From who's getting the money, and the kind of industry that it's supporting. That will help to keep the wargame scene alive.

Anyway... 32 days to go!!!

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RE: When? - 10/6/2013 6:21:26 PM   
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I agree with HenrytheSecond that this project deserves all of our support. First of all Steve, with his outstanding commitment. Matrix Games and all the rest of people involved in the development too.

But I'd like to thank as well to all the betatesters, forums users, fans... who have been involved in this project for so long, and that are going to make this project possible.

Wargamers are not such a big community of users (compared with other computer games or just with other games), so it is us who makes projects like this to happen as well. Without us and our support, it wouldn't be worthy to invest time & money to make something like WiF (or any wargame beyond Risk).

I know my money will be well invested here. For two reasons:
- What I get, and the time of fun if will get from it.
- From who's getting the money, and the kind of industry that it's supporting. That will help to keep the wargame scene alive.

Anyway... 32 days to go!!!


Amen to that!

Steve, it feels me with joy that your health is getting back on track. Yay!

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RE: When? - 10/6/2013 7:18:02 PM   
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HenrytheSecond Please refrain from saying "you will pay the costs and damn the consequences", when I was sitting with Steve last week drinking our health drinks he said you know Bill everytime I hear that on the posts I have been raising the price by 5 dollars-US a copy Careful people.

Bo

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RE: When? - 10/8/2013 12:13:12 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelbaldur

quote:

ORIGINAL: HenrytheSecond

Is there a place I can spend my hard-earned cash to order this game yet?

On the subject of pricing, I'll pay whatever it costs and damn the consequences with my beautiful and ever-understanding wife. However, should the price be less than I'm expecting to pay, I'll be looking for a way to donate the difference to Steve.

He can keep the cash or donate it to a charity of his choice, I don't care, but that man is a lesson to us all in perseverance and determination and he deserves to be paid far more than he'll ever make out of this project. I'm quite certain there is a place already reserved for him in Wargame Elysium, where he will sit at the feet of Donald Featherstone and Charles Roberts. Well, perhaps a little further away because computer wargaming is still viewed with suspicion 'up there'.

Anyhoop, so where can I pay for this thing?



the official release date for MWIF is November 7th.

so 30 days


Thanks Michael, but I was aware of the 'When'. I asked for the 'Where'.

I realise that the release date is 7 Nov, but surely Matrix are accepting pre-orders? How else will they gauge demand, server requirements, etc?

It's very unusual for a project's Release date to also be the first day on which it can be paid for.

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RE: When? - 10/8/2013 12:16:11 AM   
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HenrytheSecond Please refrain from saying "you will pay the costs and damn the consequences", when I was sitting with Steve last week drinking our health drinks he said you know Bill everytime I hear that on the posts I have been raising the price by 5 dollars-US a copy Careful people.

Bo


Hmmmm, you may have a point, Bo. Though Steve doesn't strike me as a man that would screw us for a few extra dollars at this stage.

Unless that was the master plan all along... (Cue echoing, devious laughter in the background).

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RE: When? - 10/11/2013 8:27:28 AM   
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Yes, I'm also of the "Ok, Nov 7th....When can I pre-order?"


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RE: When? - 10/11/2013 5:03:58 PM   
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HenrytheSecond Please refrain from saying "you will pay the costs and damn the consequences", when I was sitting with Steve last week drinking our health drinks he said you know Bill everytime I hear that on the posts I have been raising the price by 5 dollars-US a copy Careful people.

Bo


Hmmmm, you may have a point, Bo. Though Steve doesn't strike me as a man that would screw us for a few extra dollars at this stage.

Unless that was the master plan all along... (Cue echoing, devious laughter in the background).


Anyone who went to Drexel University in Philadelphia is devious even without the laughter its the nature of the school and Steve is its by product.

Bo

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RE: When? - 10/11/2013 6:58:54 PM   
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As far I know, Matrix does not do pre-orders for games. So you will just need to wait until the 7th

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RE: When? - 10/11/2013 7:16:09 PM   
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As a publisher, let me observe that accepting prepayment creates an obligation. If for any reason (hurricane, technical snafu ...) the date slips past November 7, you will have a lot of very unhappy customers. It's not like you can really go ahead and spend the money on current obligations. Also, it creates just one more thing to track and manage. Cleaner just to sell when ready.

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RE: When? - 10/11/2013 8:23:13 PM   
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As a publisher, let me observe that accepting prepayment creates an obligation. If for any reason (hurricane, technical snafu ...) the date slips past November 7, you will have a lot of very unhappy customers. It's not like you can really go ahead and spend the money on current obligations. Also, it creates just one more thing to track and manage. Cleaner just to sell when ready.


Perhaps what is being sought by the consumers is certainty? Tell them:
* what it will cost?
* size of download?
* shipping options on manuals ... (how much do they weigh - it won't be cheap!)

Lets get those discussions out of the way and IMHO the punters will then sit patiently with credit card in hand waiting for 7th November

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RE: When? - 10/11/2013 9:13:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Greyshaft


quote:

ORIGINAL: wfzimmerman

As a publisher, let me observe that accepting prepayment creates an obligation. If for any reason (hurricane, technical snafu ...) the date slips past November 7, you will have a lot of very unhappy customers. It's not like you can really go ahead and spend the money on current obligations. Also, it creates just one more thing to track and manage. Cleaner just to sell when ready.


Perhaps what is being sought by the consumers is certainty? Tell them:
* what it will cost?
* size of download?
* shipping options on manuals ... (how much do they weigh - it won't be cheap!)

Lets get those discussions out of the way and IMHO the punters will then sit patiently with credit card in hand waiting for 7th November

The download won't be more than 2.23 GB. We might be able to decrease that slightly. Almost all of that is for the 12 tutorial videos (which have now been completed).

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RE: When? - 10/11/2013 11:43:56 PM   
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Does anyone at Matrix think that pre-release of the tutorial videos is a good marketing idea?

Wink wink nod nod!

Not to mention that if handled properly, it could mitigate the internet traffic jam scheduled for Nov 7.

Just thinking out lout (virtually speaking)

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RE: When? - 10/11/2013 11:50:31 PM   
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Does anyone at Matrix think that pre-release of the tutorial videos is a good marketing idea?

Wink wink nod nod!

Not to mention that if handled properly, it could mitigate the internet traffic jam scheduled for Nov 7.

Just thinking out lout (virtually speaking)


Maybe pre-releasing the training videos is one of the seven moments of WOW that the Matrix marketing are pushing at the moment?

Actually, it's probably one of the first six because the seventh will be the price which won't be a case of WOW ... more like a case of

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RE: When? - 10/12/2013 2:18:10 AM   
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Also don't forget that if you want an AI, that will be an additional cost over and above whatever this version will cost. So there could easily be mutiple moments of WOW on pricing

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RE: When? - 10/12/2013 4:50:33 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greyshaft


quote:

ORIGINAL: wfzimmerman

As a publisher, let me observe that accepting prepayment creates an obligation. If for any reason (hurricane, technical snafu ...) the date slips past November 7, you will have a lot of very unhappy customers. It's not like you can really go ahead and spend the money on current obligations. Also, it creates just one more thing to track and manage. Cleaner just to sell when ready.


Perhaps what is being sought by the consumers is certainty? Tell them:
* what it will cost?
* size of download?
* shipping options on manuals ... (how much do they weigh - it won't be cheap!)

Lets get those discussions out of the way and IMHO the punters will then sit patiently with credit card in hand waiting for 7th November

The download won't be more than 2.23 GB. We might be able to decrease that slightly. Almost all of that is for the 12 tutorial videos (which have now been completed).


Why don't you post the tutorials on YouTube for a massive savings on bandwidth?

The meat of the game isn't tutorials...

While 2.23 GB isn't much for me @2 MegaBytes/sec, people on basic DSL 768 KiloBits/sec will be downloading for upwards of 4-5 hours.

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RE: When? - 10/12/2013 5:31:17 AM   
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Maybe pre-releasing the training videos is one of the seven moments of WOW that the Matrix marketing are pushing at the moment?


I back that!!! And the wait will be easier... (who knows, maybe after watching the video I'll be even more anxious about getting it... hahaha)

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RE: When? - 10/12/2013 6:24:10 AM   
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Why don't you post the tutorials on YouTube for a massive savings on bandwidth?



this seems like a no-brainer. advertising too.

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RE: When? - 10/12/2013 5:39:30 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorachus99


quote:

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greyshaft


quote:

ORIGINAL: wfzimmerman

As a publisher, let me observe that accepting prepayment creates an obligation. If for any reason (hurricane, technical snafu ...) the date slips past November 7, you will have a lot of very unhappy customers. It's not like you can really go ahead and spend the money on current obligations. Also, it creates just one more thing to track and manage. Cleaner just to sell when ready.


Perhaps what is being sought by the consumers is certainty? Tell them:
* what it will cost?
* size of download?
* shipping options on manuals ... (how much do they weigh - it won't be cheap!)

Lets get those discussions out of the way and IMHO the punters will then sit patiently with credit card in hand waiting for 7th November

The download won't be more than 2.23 GB. We might be able to decrease that slightly. Almost all of that is for the 12 tutorial videos (which have now been completed).


Why don't you post the tutorials on YouTube for a massive savings on bandwidth?

The meat of the game isn't tutorials...

While 2.23 GB isn't much for me @2 MegaBytes/sec, people on basic DSL 768 KiloBits/sec will be downloading for upwards of 4-5 hours.

Or waiting for the DVD to arrive in the mail.

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RE: When? - 10/12/2013 8:46:33 PM   
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Those manuals are gorgeous.

Quite looking forward to the entire physical package, but anxious to finally get a game working with my dot-headed forgetful friends. Things get old when you notice rules mistakes three turns into the game. Particularly supply. :(

Thanks for all your work!



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RE: When? - 10/14/2013 7:22:20 AM   
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Or waiting for the DVD to arrive in the mail.


Wait. Steve, you're not seriously suggesting people wait patiently in this modern world of ours, surely? That's sooooooo 20th Century...

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RE: When? - 10/14/2013 8:16:29 AM   
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As a long-time lurker here, I'm glad to pop up my head and congratulate Steve on a job well done. We have all been invited to share both your struggle with the development, as well as your personal life. Thank you so much for your dedication and singularily good attitude towards the WIF community. Thank you.

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RE: When? - 10/14/2013 10:15:10 AM   
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Why don't you post the tutorials on YouTube for a massive savings on bandwidth?

The meat of the game isn't tutorials...

While 2.23 GB isn't much for me @2 MegaBytes/sec, people on basic DSL 768 KiloBits/sec will be downloading for upwards of 4-5 hours.
[/quote]


Need to remember some here have been waiting 10 years for this....including myself....a 4-5 hr download is not a bigger...a week download would even be a cakewalk if need be

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RE: When? - 10/14/2013 8:30:10 PM   
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Need to remember some here have been waiting 10 years for this....including myself....a 4-5 hr download is not a bigger...a week download would even be a cakewalk if need be


I hardly think anyone needs to remember that some exalted individuals, all praise to them, may have waited longer than others, Titan.

Though you're right, a long download is a small final price to pay to finally get our sweaty, excited hands on this gem.

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RE: When? - 10/15/2013 8:44:18 PM   
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Need to remember some here have been waiting 10 years for this....including myself....a 4-5 hr download is not a bigger...a week download would even be a cakewalk if need be


I hardly think anyone needs to remember that some exalted individuals, all praise to them, may have waited longer than others, Titan.

Though you're right, a long download is a small final price to pay to finally get our sweaty, excited hands on this gem.


Hey Henry one thing I forgot to mention in the above post when I tried to correct you when you said "any price damn the consequences" there is even a much worse statement that could increase the price, I think it is something about "sweaty, exicited hands"

Bo

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RE: When? - 10/15/2013 9:00:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bo

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ORIGINAL: HenrytheSecond


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ORIGINAL: Titan

Need to remember some here have been waiting 10 years for this....including myself....a 4-5 hr download is not a bigger...a week download would even be a cakewalk if need be


I hardly think anyone needs to remember that some exalted individuals, all praise to them, may have waited longer than others, Titan.

Though you're right, a long download is a small final price to pay to finally get our sweaty, excited hands on this gem.


Hey Henry one thing I forgot to mention in the above post when I tried to correct you when you said "any price damn the consequences" there is even a much worse statement that could increase the price, I think it is something about "sweaty, exicited hands"

Bo


Damn it. I guess we'll just have to put our faith in Steve's good nature. And Matrix's. Hmmmmm....


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RE: When? - 10/15/2013 10:18:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: HenrytheSecond


quote:

ORIGINAL: bo

quote:

ORIGINAL: HenrytheSecond


quote:

ORIGINAL: Titan

Need to remember some here have been waiting 10 years for this....including myself....a 4-5 hr download is not a bigger...a week download would even be a cakewalk if need be


I hardly think anyone needs to remember that some exalted individuals, all praise to them, may have waited longer than others, Titan.

Though you're right, a long download is a small final price to pay to finally get our sweaty, excited hands on this gem.


Hey Henry one thing I forgot to mention in the above post when I tried to correct you when you said "any price damn the consequences" there is even a much worse statement that could increase the price, I think it is something about "sweaty, exicited hands"

Bo


Damn it. I guess we'll just have to put our faith in Steve's good nature. And Matrix's. Hmmmmm....


Hmmmmmm with Steve under pressure for Nov 7th his good nature is gone and Matrix Hmmm I would not really want to go into that one.

Bo

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RE: When? - 10/18/2013 6:36:53 PM   
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Why don't they write the release date in the product info on Matrix's web site?

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RE: When? - 10/19/2013 9:34:44 PM   
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hi there

just to re-say ...thank you Steve for your perseverance and your efforts,and in last period with health issues(!),as said before a real example to look at ,but first of all again best wishes for your health

surely the nervous days in the fan community are gone ,a lot of not-so-youngest players are warming up their brains to prepare for fight in wif

I have to refresh a little(!) but I m ready to play too


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