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Unequal division of airgroups - 1/30/2005 11:57:08 PM   
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Potential for abuse.

The database apparently logs both sides when determining the number of units for division. So a player who divides more air units first, denies the other player the ability to divide more units.

Current PBEM examples:
Game 1: 14 divided airgroups, no frags. Ability to divide more is still possible.
Game 2: 5 divided airgroups, one a frag. The ability to divide only 3 more groups.

I'm requesting that a limit be set for both sides, 50/50. Or, the repair rate balanced out for the larger groups to match repair rates of the smaller ones.
Without balance this really sticks it to the large groups when it comes to repairs and mission flexibility.

Please fix this.

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RE: Unequal division of airgroups - 1/31/2005 12:06:00 AM   
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You can sort this out with your opponent until we figure a way around it if ever.

32 groups each can be split and keep it fair.

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RE: Unequal division of airgroups - 1/31/2005 12:21:49 AM   
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Thanks Mr Frag. I'll approach my opponents with diplomacy.

16 per side, right?

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RE: Unequal division of airgroups - 1/31/2005 1:05:49 AM   
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No, 32 per side ... there is space for 65.

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RE: Unequal division of airgroups - 1/31/2005 1:19:45 AM   
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Counting Frags....


I mean fragments...

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RE: Unequal division of airgroups - 1/31/2005 1:33:50 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: rogueusmc

Counting Frags....


I mean fragments...



My brain ... the pain ... it hurts!

Seriously ... 32 per side

Fragments are in the 3400+ block

Splits are in the 3200+ block

They live in separate space.

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RE: Unequal division of airgroups - 1/31/2005 2:03:22 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Halsey

Thanks Mr Frag. I'll approach my opponents with diplomacy.

16 per side, right?


Halsey: I've seen your diplomacy

Frag: I am Halsey's opponent in the game he can only divide 8 units. I have a total of 12 air units divided, which have 27 fragments (units with a "name/A" or "name/1" designation). This includes all air units on the reinforcement track. What gives, do you think?

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RE: Unequal division of airgroups - 1/31/2005 2:44:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag




My brain ... the pain ... it hurts!

Seriously ... 32 per side

Fragments are in the 3400+ block

Splits are in the 3200+ block

They live in separate space.

Excellent!!!...thanks dude.

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RE: Unequal division of airgroups - 1/31/2005 2:53:28 AM   
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Frag: I am Halsey's opponent in the game he can only divide 8 units. I have a total of 12 air units divided, which have 27 fragments (units with a "name/A" or "name/1" designation). This includes all air units on the reinforcement track. What gives, do you think?


Between you, check your reinforcements for units coming back that were disbanded/destroyed while being fragments. I think the slot is still owned by these guys too.

I am talking about A/B/C units, not /1/2/3/4/etc units

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RE: Unequal division of airgroups - 1/31/2005 5:45:56 AM   
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Any chance the 65 limit is being applied to the sub-unit count, rather than the number of groups divided? I only have about 8 in my PBEM, and it doesn't seem like my opponent has 57 (but I'll ask).

This would be roughly consistent with irrelvant's report that they're stuck at 20 (65/3 = 21, and one could imagine they missed one or two)

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RE: Unequal division of airgroups - 1/31/2005 8:35:28 AM   
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The only frags () that I've lost, were 2 at Clark Field. No others. No disbanded fragments in this game.

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RE: Unequal division of airgroups - 1/31/2005 3:46:51 PM   
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Look at the numbers in front of the name. You should see a 2200-2399 number at the front of your /a/b/c units and numbers from 2400+ in front of any fragment (/1/2/etc). If you don't, let me know.

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RE: Unequal division of airgroups - 1/31/2005 9:11:03 PM   
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I'll check when I get home tonight from work.

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RE: Unequal division of airgroups - 2/1/2005 6:33:15 AM   
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Frag, just sent you a save.

On a clean start of scenario 15 under 1.4, head-to-head, I could divide 18 air units and no more.

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RE: Unequal division of airgroups - 2/1/2005 9:46:47 AM   
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On the last divided group. The highest data# i could locate was 2398. This was after dividing the 9th and last unit available for division.

After my opponents last turn. I was able to do 1 more unit.
9 divided right now with 0 frags. Total of 27 A/B/C units. No more divisions allowed.

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RE: Unequal division of airgroups - 2/1/2005 10:13:53 AM   
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Okay.
Even just doing the maths, there are fewer slots available than we think.
.........Number of slots available to hold splits:......200 (2200-2399)
Number of slots already used up by scenario:......146
(this is the number of slots in range used for AGs by scenario 15.
I think this has increased since v1.3)
...................................................Slots free:.......54
.........................Maximum AGs that can split:.......18

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RE: Unequal division of airgroups - 2/1/2005 4:18:19 PM   
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Hmm, it would seem some scenarios have units in the 2300 block which once they show up will eat up slots ... thats why you are not getting the full range.

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RE: Unequal division of airgroups - 2/1/2005 9:08:18 PM   
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OK, so it looks like 9 is the max for dividing in scenario 15 for the Allies. Now will more of these slots get used up as more reinforcements appear over time? Will this apply to both sides as time progresses?

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RE: Unequal division of airgroups - 2/1/2005 9:33:27 PM   
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quote:

Now will more of these slots get used up as more reinforcements appear over time? Will this apply to both sides as time progresses?


Interesting question actually ... might just cause some units to go awol ... that range was reserved for this purpose ... having units there in the scenario might collide and cause all sorts of nasty effects ... have to check with Mike on this one

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RE: Unequal division of airgroups - 2/2/2005 10:20:35 AM   
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The normal scheduled reinforcements (as entered in the scenario database) have already been allocated their slots at start of scenario. So they are okay.
Reformed AGs look like they come back in their original slot also. So that should be okay.
I am not sure, but I don't think you can reform a fragment of an AG. If that is the case, then you should not lose any more slots. Even if you could, it would probably comeback in the 2400+ range.... so I think the 18 would apply for the whole game.


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RE: Unequal division of airgroups - 2/2/2005 11:39:46 AM   
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Makes sense Mike. I never reform fragments, always do a total disband with no reappearance.

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RE: Unequal division of airgroups - 2/21/2005 3:27:09 AM   
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Bump

Since this topic has resurfaced.

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