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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 1/23/2006 9:15:41 AM   
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Sure, I got the humour of the announcements, the Morman colony getting wiped out etc etc, but that wasn't enough of the movie to make this a "brillian" satire. It was a mild political diatribe against militaristic, fascist societies, but that was in line with Heinlein's original novel.


Must be me but I thought Starship Troopers one of the funniest war movies made. I guess it is a case of each to their own but I thought the movie was a comedy and had me laughing through the whole thing.

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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 1/23/2006 11:05:54 AM   
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I agree with most of the choises made, with the exception of The Thin Red Line. Poor casting and not as good as the original,but not bad over all.

The worst that comes to my mind, would be Gods and Generals!

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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 1/23/2006 12:02:33 PM   
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Thin Red Line
I had to turn it off half-way.


Here we go again...Thin Red Line is my favorite war movie. Different strokes, I guess. BTW, for those of you who liked Thin Red Line, the director (Terrence Malick) has a new movie out about the British colony at Jamestown. Looking forward to seeing it.



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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 1/23/2006 9:27:46 PM   
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I agree with most of the choises made, with the exception of The Thin Red Line. Poor casting and not as good as the original,but not bad over all.

The worst that comes to my mind, would be Gods and Generals!

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Very good point - Gods and Generals is really terrible und utterly boring.
While I think that you might be able to "enjoy" most of the bad movies in this list to a certain extend, if you are able not to take them serious and watch them for the eye-candy and/or loud explosions, Gods and Generals will not even allow you to do that. I imagine that if the very strong religious theme is not for you, you'll have one of the longest 230 minutes in your life ...

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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 1/24/2006 2:53:58 AM   
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Well said Chuck!

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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 1/24/2006 3:05:10 AM   
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Have you ever seen Beach Red? It is a Cornell Wilde film released in 1967. If you liked Thin Red Line you should really enjoy this movie! Both movies are based on the same book. There are many similarities between the two. For me, Beach Red is the better of the two, though I enjoyed both.


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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 1/24/2006 3:50:54 AM   
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Two oddball ones I've seen on late night tv recently are completely dreadful but I can't remember what they're called. Both are very old.

The first is about a US soldier who has plastic surgery to look Japanese so as to infiltrate a POW camp and rescue his buddies (or something). Except to simulate that they painted up the actor with bad makeup and had him squint and grimace in every scene. The racist stereotyping of the Japanese has to be seen to be believed (mind you, their prison guards were a pack of low-life scumbags). The star dies heroically to ensure that the others get away because as he explains "I can't get back to America with this hideous Jap face" (or words to that effect).

The other was English and I reckon it was made in the winter of 39/40 because it features a WW1 veteran who has joined up again and is sent to France. It is ludicrous propaganda with a few supposedly hillarious scenes of the old guy trying to come to grips with the new mechanised equipment. Anyhoo, the upshot is that he uses his experience to capture a bunch of incompetent Jerries and apparently the war is going just fine. Except that in real life, in a few months he'd be lucky if he was hauled out of the water onto a fishing trawler at Dunkirk, covered in oil and missing lots of his mates.

Many of the actual wartime war movies were pretty outrageous. I find it hard to believe that even in their day they weren't considered so by combatants on leave etc... Good fun now though.

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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 1/24/2006 11:55:49 AM   
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I have not seen many of the propaganda films, but some of them are... hmmh... interesting?

Finnish wartime movie "Ryhmy and Romppainen" was banned in Germany because it presented the German minor allies in too unmilitary fashion.

And remember, for the fans of poor/interesting war films there are some good ones by Klaus Kinski too.

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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 1/25/2006 3:29:55 AM   
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" Very good point - Gods and Generals is really terrible und utterly boring.
While I think that you might be able to "enjoy" most of the bad movies in this list to a certain extend, if you are able not to take them serious and watch them for the eye-candy and/or loud explosions, Gods and Generals will not even allow you to do that. I imagine that if the very strong religious theme is not for you, you'll have one of the longest 230 minutes in your life ...

Chuck"


Except for this guy who grew up in tidewater Virginia. When I watch it I feel comforted by the Virginia accents. They actually did a pretty good job there...

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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 1/25/2006 9:20:59 AM   
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I imagine that if the very strong religious theme is not for you, you'll have one of the longest 230 minutes in your life ...


That was quite right...


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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 1/25/2006 3:44:10 PM   
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Propaganda movies are still very real. Many war-movies today are made in corporation with the military (which is economically great since they get very good access to equipment and cheap labor). However, they demand the right to censor the manuscript which basically makes it propaganda. And many many claim all these movies are just plain bad (the censorchip makes them singleminded and bad). What do you think? Films like Apocalypse Now was certainly not a product of US military. I guess Pearl Harbour and U-571 was? What about Blackhawk down?

My opinion is slightly divided. Sometimes I like some braindead action which shows the newest and latest in weapon tech., and a good feeling to "bash the evil bastards", but for most parts I just find these films pathetic. For example justifying changing historical facts (like U-571) with vage economical reasonings I find unethical and sad.


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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 1/25/2006 4:21:24 PM   
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Blackhawk Down was made in very close cooperation with the US Army. On the small screen, the now-defunct TV show JAG was also very close to the military.

It makes sense for the US military to maintain friendly relations with Hollywood. Great recruiting tool...

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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 1/25/2006 9:15:06 PM   
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String,

Have you ever seen Beach Red? It is a Cornell Wilde film released in 1967. If you liked Thin Red Line you should really enjoy this movie! Both movies are based on the same book. There are many similarities between the two. For me, Beach Red is the better of the two, though I enjoyed both.



No, I haven't. I also have NO idea how I'd be able to see it. I'm pretty sure it's not available in video stores in Estonia

Perhaps I'm lucky and they'll show it on TCM and I'll stumble upon it?

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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 1/26/2006 1:45:12 AM   
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I have seen it on TCM before, and it's also out on DVD.

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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 1/26/2006 1:58:44 AM   
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My 2 cents on BlackHack Down. Thumbs down. Had I been a typical viewer I assume I may have thought it worth while. Unfortunately I had done some studying on the case BEFORE the movie came out. Thus I could not help but take notice how many things were edited and changed. Yes the US amry was made to look smarter than they had been (even though it is aparent they had thier moments of confusion). I heard people claim the movie was not biased between the two sides... well this has me quite confused. In the end, it is Hollywood so any educated man knows ahead of time what he is in for. With all its changes from the norm, at least it wasn't a repeat of u-571.

Oh, BTW if anyone wonders about the begining of the movie where the soldier fell off the helicopter and was the first casualty... Yes, he was the first casualty. What the movie changed was that in real life he just, FELL off the helicopter. Of course they had to spice it up, so the actual scene you see is a RPG flying towards the helicopter (never happened)... and due to quick reaction by our super alert american pilots, the helicopter was instantly maneuvered and.... maybe it was a 1000 to 1 shot but it worked, the rpg missed colliding with the Heli. Unfortuantly the solder lost his balance during the maneuvr and fell.

I guess realism doesnt sell enough for the american audience, or the US Forces didn't want any of their men to look TOO foolish. A viewer has to take these movies with a grain of sault.







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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 1/30/2006 8:16:06 AM   
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I thought Blackhawk Down was unrealistic bollocks. I'm not an expert but I did time in the military and have been on quite a few combat exercises.

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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 1/30/2006 9:28:45 AM   
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In no real order:-

Force 10 from Navarone
The Green Berets (John Wayne)
U-571
Pearl Harbour (Mind you the battle of Brittan scenes were great)
Wind Talkers


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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 1/30/2006 9:44:33 AM   
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Heresy! You can't have a John Wayne film on the list! Heresy!

(I didn't find it that bad.... not overly realistic, but not too far out of tune with other "made during the war" type films).

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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 1/30/2006 11:23:27 AM   
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Well....... I will save my vote for the Battle of Britain staring Tom Cruise . Think its due out sometime in 05.


Oh my god Tom Cruise and quality movies are like oil and Water

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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 1/31/2006 5:08:49 AM   
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Blackhawk Down one of the worst…??? I wonder if there are any movies that meet your high standards. For me Blackhawk Down is one of my top five. They may not get every detail correct, but the positives far out weigh the negatives. Very few films do a better job of showing soldiers as individuals instead of stereo types.

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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 1/31/2006 5:58:22 AM   
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Gods and Generals. Truly horrible. Turned it off 45 minutes in. The beards, the beards.

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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 1/31/2006 10:03:14 AM   
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Oh, BTW if anyone wonders about the begining of the movie where the soldier fell off the helicopter and was the first casualty... Yes, he was the first casualty. What the movie changed was that in real life he just, FELL off the helicopter. Of course they had to spice it up, so the actual scene you see is a RPG flying towards the helicopter (never happened)... and due to quick reaction by our super alert american pilots, the helicopter was instantly maneuvered and.... maybe it was a 1000 to 1 shot but it worked, the rpg missed colliding with the Heli. Unfortuantly the solder lost his balance during the maneuvr and fell.

I guess realism doesnt sell enough for the american audience, or the US Forces didn't want any of their men to look TOO foolish. A viewer has to take these movies with a grain of sault.


I would think its more likely it was just for artistic reasons. The scene when the first Blackhawk gets hit would have far less impact on the audience if we had already seen one being shot at by an RPG - a hit later on would then be expected. The audience was being led into the belief, probably shared by the younger Rangers at least, that the Blackhawks were more-or-less invulnerable - and then shocked out of it.

Sure, with the title "Blackhawk Down" the audience would know on one level what would happen, but the visual 'reality' has a rather different effect on the mind.


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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 1/31/2006 11:23:39 PM   
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Well - as far as bad war movies - or the military in general...

I never saw combat ( seved but not shot at ) but my father was a Cobra pilot in 'Nam and he said this about "We were Soldiers" and "Thin Red Line" - those movies were very real for both he and my mother because my mom used to remember meeting with wives of men in my dad's unit who had died, and that brought back memories and the night fly in with the tracers and pinging on the helos was very realistic to my dad as well - flying combat missions at night...
Also - though "Thin" was slow - my dad relayed that he had alot of those feelings in 'Nam, remembering home, ect...

He thinks those movies had a very realistic portrayal of a soldiers life in combat - so - I have to support both movies myself...

And as for "Blackhawk Down" - I had a buddy I worked with who fought in Somalia during that battle - and HE said it was realist - so, even thought I served and was in "combat" exercies - I was never shot at - so I'm going by their word -

( Oh yea, no matter how bad, no John Wayne movie is allowed on this list!! )

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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 1/31/2006 11:24:50 PM   
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And the movie ANNAPOLIS is an affront to Techumse (sp?)

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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 1/31/2006 11:46:05 PM   
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Well - as far as bad war movies - or the military in general...

I never saw combat ( seved but not shot at ) but my father was a Cobra pilot in 'Nam and he said this about "We were Soldiers" and "Thin Red Line" - those movies were very real for both he and my mother because my mom used to remember meeting with wives of men in my dad's unit who had died, and that brought back memories and the night fly in with the tracers and pinging on the helos was very realistic to my dad as well - flying combat missions at night...
Also - though "Thin" was slow - my dad relayed that he had alot of those feelings in 'Nam, remembering home, ect...

He thinks those movies had a very realistic portrayal of a soldiers life in combat - so - I have to support both movies myself...

And as for "Blackhawk Down" - I had a buddy I worked with who fought in Somalia during that battle - and HE said it was realist - so, even thought I served and was in "combat" exercies - I was never shot at - so I'm going by their word -

( Oh yea, no matter how bad, no John Wayne movie is allowed on this list!! )


Hey! I flew Cobras too, also UH-1C/M. WORWAC class 68-517.

As to the movies, many I see mentioned here I don't even classify as war movies. Starship Troopers, a book I like, was a miserable movie but it's science fiction. I don't even think of it as a war movie.

P.S. Night missions. What I hated the most was the damn flares. You'd be flying along and all of a sudden a burned out flare hanging from a parachute would go right by. I only remember one mission with flares where everything worked out well.

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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 2/1/2006 8:01:21 AM   
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Gods and Generals. Truly horrible. Turned it off 45 minutes in. The beards, the beards.


I could never get past Jeff Daniels looking 10 years older and 30 pounds heavier than in "Gettysburg"

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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 2/1/2006 8:07:21 AM   
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I didn't mind Gods and Generals soo much (its no Gettsyburg or Glory). But I felt a better name for the movie would have been "Stonewall Jackson, with a sprinkle of Robert E. Lee and 20th Maine for good measure."

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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 2/1/2006 9:43:11 AM   
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I'll jump in here with Wind Talkers. The worst by 2000 miles...and closely followed by Pearl Harbor

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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 2/1/2006 10:27:27 AM   
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I didn't mind Gods and Generals soo much (its no Gettsyburg or Glory). But I felt a better name for the movie would have been "Stonewall Jackson, with a sprinkle of Robert E. Lee and 20th Maine for good measure."


Well, I showed both Gettysburg and Gods and Generals to my 8th grade Social Studies class and G&G kept them moderately interested (with a running historical commentary from me). They never forgot the scenes of the 20th Maine piling up bodies for protection and the sounds of bullets hitting dead flesh. It also graphically communicated the Union rout at Chancelorsville and the death of Jackson. As an educational aid, it served a purpose. I got pretty good test scores on the Civil War from the questions on Fredricksburg, Chancellorsville, death of Jackson, Gettysburg, and Pickett's Charge.

Personally, I still found Gods and Generals to be a major disappointment as entertainement. Jeff Shaara just isn't as good a writer as his dad, Michael Shaara. To be fair, nothing tops Gettysburg for Civil War drama though.

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RE: What's Your worst war movie ever - 2/1/2006 5:21:50 PM   
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Gods and Generals, we almost walked out of the cinema at the intermission... it should have been called breads and bombast

The Patriot (the Mel Gibson film) was on cable again, after watching some if it I was willing Tavington AKA Tarleton (wonderfuly played by Jason Issacs) to kill Mel and Heath Ledger. It would be good to have a film about the American Revolution that was not so, we are good and they are bad.

Another Mel Gibson film, but from a generation ago, Gallipoli will always be one of my favorites, the camraderie and gallows humour of the characters still shines through. The sense of duty and resignation is almost overpowering when the next wave of the Light Horse are preparing to attack, after the first waves were mown down. This would be a great film for school kids to analyse.

Blackhawk Down. Great film, just to prove no plan survives contact with the enemy.

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